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Alfredsson vs. Iginla.

View Poll Results: Who would you rather have on your team RIGHT NOW.
Daniel Alfredsson 123 49.40%
Jarome Iginla 126 50.60%
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10-09-2007, 09:20 PM
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While everyone dogs Iginla for "disappearing", I'll take a closer look at the players surrounding these two players before last year. (ie: linemates and PP linemates)

Iginla: Craig Conroy, Dean McAmmond, Daymond Langkow, Martin Gelinas, Steven Reinprecht

Alfredsson: Marian Hossa, Martin Havlat, Jason Spezza, Dany Heatley, Alexei Yashin (the good Yashin).

Which list do I think would help me put up more points?

My point is that Alfredsson has had one of the best supporting casts in the NHL for several years now. Iginla, on the other hand, one of the worst until last season. How can Iginla outproduce someone while playing on the 27th best offensive team when Alfredsson's team is always top 5.

With Tanguay, Langkow and Huselius in the picture, Iginla is producing at a level we can EXPECT as long as he has decent linemates. You can't blame a guy for 35G 32A when he's playing with Gelinas and Conroy every game.

I'll take Iginla easily.

Exactly. With Tanguay by his side, Iggy was third in PPG last season. The guy can score, pass, hit, fight, isn't bad in his own zone, and hell, he's 53% on faceoffs too.

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Exactly. With Tanguay by his side, Iggy was third in PPG last season. The guy can score, pass, hit, fight, isn't bad in his own zone, and hell, he's 53% on faceoffs too.
Having a good PPG doesn't mean you got those points. If you give it your all for 50 games, it different then putting everything you have into 82. I'm not saying Iggy wasn't tearing the league up but staying healthy and maintaining that pace are different then being simply on pace.

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10-10-2007, 10:47 AM
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Alfie. His 2 way play, PK and ability to kick start the team give him the nod. Wouldn't be unhappy with either though.

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10-10-2007, 11:21 AM
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Alfredsson: Marian Hossa, Martin Havlat, Jason Spezza, Dany Heatley, Alexei Yashin (the good Yashin).

Which list do I think would help me put up more points?
You know that Alfie hardly ever played with Havlat, Yashin or Hossa, right?

It was more like White, Ylonen, Arvedson, Dackell and Smolinski.

Now which supporting cast would you choose?

Obviously, Heatley and Spezza have helped, but don't act like Alfie's been surrounded by stars his whole career.

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10-10-2007, 11:24 AM
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You know that Alfie hardly ever played with Havlat, Yashin or Hossa, right?

It was more like White, Ylonen, Arvedson, Dackell and Smolinski.

Now which supporting cast would you choose?

Obviously, Heatley and Spezza have helped, but don't act like Alfie's been surrounded by stars his whole career.
He did play with Hossa, Havlat, Yashin, etc. on the PP.

Plus, the presence of those other guys could have had the effect of preventing opposing teams from solely keying in on Alfredsson.

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10-10-2007, 11:28 AM
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Name them.

Joe Sakic
Nik Lidstrom
Chris Pronger
Sidney Crosby
Daniel Alfredsson
Roberto Luongo
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You know that Alfie hardly ever played with Havlat, Yashin or Hossa, right?
You know you're completely wrong, right? He sure did play with those players on the PP and sometimes ES. If not, I wonder how they get assists on Alfie's goals and how he gets assists on their goals. Look it up if you want, Hossa, Alfie and Havlat were in on quite a few goals together.

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You know you're completely wrong, right? He sure did play with those players on the PP and sometimes ES. If not, I wonder how they get assists on Alfie's goals and how he gets assists on their goals. Look it up if you want, Hossa, Alfie and Havlat were in on quite a few goals together.
Where DO you look that kind of thing up?

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Alfredsson may me slightly better offensively bit Iggy is the total package.

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Iginla

Alfredsson may me slightly better offensively bit Iggy is the total package.
I would argue that Alfredsson is also better defensively and on penalty kills. I'm interested to hear what in Iginla's 'total package' that makes him better overall.

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You know you're completely wrong, right? He sure did play with those players on the PP and sometimes ES. If not, I wonder how they get assists on Alfie's goals and how he gets assists on their goals. Look it up if you want, Hossa, Alfie and Havlat were in on quite a few goals together.
PP yes, but very rarely even strength.

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I can name at least 5 captains and 2 goalies I'd rather have being my leader in a game 7...
Good for you.
The question I have for you is: Is Alfredsson one of those 5 captains?

If yes, question 1b: Do you EVER watch Western Conference hockey?

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Joe Sakic
Nik Lidstrom
Chris Pronger
Sidney Crosby
Daniel Alfredsson
Roberto Luongo
Martin Brodeur
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Good for you.
The question I have for you is: Is Alfredsson one of those 5 captains? Who's missing?

If yes, question 1b: Do you EVER watch Western Conference hockey?
Is there something wrong with this list? The only other one not mentioned I could see choosing is Brind'Amour and he's in the East...

(FWIW, I would understand taking Iginla over Alfredsson)

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Good for you.
The question I have for you is: Is Alfredsson one of those 5 captains?

If yes, question 1b: Do you EVER watch Western Conference hockey?
Sakic, Lidstrom, Pronger, Crosby, Alfie, Koivu, Sundin, all at the very least. It no knock on iginla, (btw, question 1b, I watch as many Nucks, Oilers, Wild, Sharks, and Avs games as I can), but there are several better captains.

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Oh, and a case can be made for Brind'Amour as well.

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Sakic, Lidstrom, Pronger, Crosby, Alfie, Koivu, Sundin, all at the very least. It no knock on iginla, (btw, question 1b, I watch as many Nucks, Oilers, Wild, Sharks, and Avs games as I can), but there are several better captains.
Koivu and Sundin ahead of Iginla in a Game 7 situation?

I don't think so.

Not even in their primes would I do that, and certainly not now.

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I see the two as being pretty close to dead-even, but, I give a slight edge to Alfredsson. I'm guessing that some Ottawa bias is creeping in there, but, I think with these two players, there isn't that much separating the two.

Alfie's been much more consistant offensively, and is the better defensive player.

Iginla brings a more physical edge. His offence is inconsistant. You can blame it partly on linemates, but, like others have pointed out, Alfie has had to carry some offensively weak linemates himself over the years as well.

When both guys are on their game, they are at about the same level. Both can take over a hockey game, or an entire series (and both have).

In terms of leadership, I don't think you can find too much fault with either. Both guys are the heart and soul of their teams. Give me Alfie, but, if he's not around, I don't think I'm going to suffer too much with Iginla on my team.

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Sakic, Lidstrom, Pronger, Crosby, Alfie, Koivu, Sundin, all at the very least. It no knock on iginla, (btw, question 1b, I watch as many Nucks, Oilers, Wild, Sharks, and Avs games as I can), but there are several better captains.
loooooooooooooooooooool. I give up. East Canada truly is the center of the hockey universe. Wow. Are you that brainwashed?

Iginla is basically unanimously a top 10-15 player in the league, goalies included. Alfredsson being better was one thing (though I'd like to see Iggy's pts with Spezza and Heatley)....where in the hell do you get off saying Koivu and Sundin are better?

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Sakic, Lidstrom, Pronger, Crosby, Alfie, Koivu, Sundin, all at the very least. It no knock on iginla, (btw, question 1b, I watch as many Nucks, Oilers, Wild, Sharks, and Avs games as I can), but there are several better captains.
While I would agree with Sakic, Lidstrom and Pronger.

Crosby hasn't proved he can put a team on his back in the playoffs and to even consider Sundin and Koivu over Iginla is kinda ridiculous. I suggest trying to watch a few more Flames games.

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Let me also ask you this: Though neither team would likely currently do it, barring salaries, which team would be most likely to do a trade, Iginla for Alfredsson straight up?

I can tell you right now the Sens would be much quicker to sign on the line, if you disagree you're a bigger homer than Simpson.

FWIW, I hate the Flames.

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I can tell you right now the Sens would be much quicker to sign on the line, if you disagree you're a bigger homer than Simpson.
That, or we disagree with you, Captain Condescending.

You're taking an Alfredsson advantage away by saying ignore salaries. Alfie is one of the best bargains in the league. To make it fair, how about we ignore age, as well?

The only thing Iginla has on Alfie is size/toughness.

I won't deny it's very close, and I'd be ecstatic with either guy, but imo, Alfredsson is better.

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The only thing Iginla has on Alfie is size/toughness.
What about leadership...oh, and a little thing called scoring.

Yes, Alfie is hot right now. But if you tell me he's a better goal scorer than Iginla, I'm going to throw up in my mouth right here right now.

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