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10-08-2007, 11:26 PM
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The Leafs and Habs could easily do this...****, I think the Leaf and Habs could fill a soccer stadium (60-100,0000) consistantly.
People might think this is impossible, but if the upper seats were to be really cheap, like say, 5$, then it could probably be done.

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10-08-2007, 11:41 PM
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maybe the Fox glow-puck wasn't such a bad idea....

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10-09-2007, 12:13 AM
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Bigger is not necessarily better.
Exactly. I seem to remember seeing something from a Habs exec saying that they should have built the Molson Centre with a thousand LESS seats to make for the ideal environment.

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10-09-2007, 12:54 AM
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I would 100% buy nosebleed seats in a 30K stadium.

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10-09-2007, 01:12 AM
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I would think that any Canadian team could do this. Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto especially.

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10-09-2007, 01:51 AM
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That picture of commonwealth is misleading, because I sat 2 rows from the very top in a corner like that for the heritage classic and I could see just fine. I could see a 30 000 seat arena quite plausible in big markets

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Problem is both buildings are fairly young so it won't happen anytime soon.

Montreal (96) Toronto (99)

Huge stand up sections would be great and would help drive up the numbers.

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10-09-2007, 04:28 AM
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i like how everybody is making a big deal of how canadian teams DO give out free tickets. Edmonton (my team) gives out an average of 200/ game. Basically this would include family members of people in the organization, and the odd charity give away here and there. It is not even remotely comparable to a team like Atlanta giving away 2,000 per game.

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10-09-2007, 05:55 AM
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I think arena with 25.000 would be feasible.
At the top level 5000 extra seats is probably two extra rows of seating. I don't see how that is going to affect the view.

If and when the league decides to go for a round of arena rebuild I think one of the
key ingrediants for the games continued success is to increase the ice surface.

Maybe not to Olympic dimensions but maybe halfway.

Players being larger, stronger, faster a larger ice surface will give the game more flow, and reduce injuries which is what we all are after.

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10-09-2007, 09:03 AM
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Would u even be able to see the puck at that height?
It wouldn't get that much higher. The higher you go the wider you go in an arena so more seats can be fit in every subsequent ring of seats that is added.

I think it is definitely possible and would be quite the spectacle The arena might take on a different atmosphere with such large sizes though, it could feel 'too big'. With the right video screens and sightlines I think it could be great experience for fans every game.

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10-09-2007, 11:33 AM
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Certain markets may have demand for 30,000 seats. And to the question of decreased revenues, that depends on how much they have to drop prices. The increased revenue from the extra ~10000 seats may outweigh the drop in price on the other 20,000 if the average price drop was small enough.

Costs might be a question, though, as maintenance, utility bills, etc. would be much higher in a larger arena. Not to mention the increased building costs.

And then in terms of the sightlines, it's all in the design of the arena. One city might design a god aweful arena, while another one might design a much better one. Also they have to keep in mind that the camera angles for TV and such should be pretty good also, although that seems pretty doable. And then there has to be consideration of sightlines for other sports that share the facility (such as the ACC). For the many arenas that double with basketball, since a basketball court is much smaller, the sightlines would be much different.

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10-09-2007, 11:54 AM
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From the very last row of the Bell Centre you can still see the puck very well. I think 30 000 seats would still be fine. Obviously you couldn't go much bigger than that though. This is coming from a Canadiens fan who has a really hard time getting tickets...

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You won't find out any Canadian teams giving out free tickets thats for sure.
Yes, you will. Every team has giveaways. Including the Oilers, though the chart from last year said they gave away the fewest.

As far as the largest arena goes, Tampa holds that distinction as well. They had 22,717 in there for game 7 of the finals in 04.

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10-09-2007, 12:36 PM
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The habs could easily fill the Olympic Stadium every day of the week.

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I thought I heard somewhere that once you get around 25,000 or higher, heat issues start arising for the ice. I don't think it would be a problem for basketball games, but with the body heat of over 25,000 people, it could negatively affect the ice conditions in an arena, especially since they're always covered arenas.

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I don't have NY's attendance figures on hand, but I'm fairly sure they don't even sell out a 20k arena on a regular basis, so 30k is far-fetched for sure.
Umm, the Ranges have already sold out all their individual game tickets for 07-08 and it's only october.

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10-09-2007, 01:04 PM
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The reason there aren't I believe is that the extra costs involved in building a place that big, both initial and ongoing, just don't justify it.

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There is talk about the Oilers getting a new Stadium. If this happened, I would expect that it would be much larger then Rexal place, it currently holds less then 17,000. I think the Oilers could consistently sell out 25,000 tickets. They have sold out 72 home games in a row, that's pretty good considering how the year ended last season.

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Corporate wise, MSG could absolutely do it. Toronto and Montreal could probably do it given sheer demand from fans.

Given construction limitations [available space, ADA requirements, safety concerns] it'll never happen in New York; considering neither arena is 10 years old, it'll never happen in Montreal and Toronto. [Never mind the fact that limited supply = higher price = higher revenues = higher profits.]
Why do people always have the misconception that higher prices=higher revenue? Okay so if a team can fill a stadium every game with higher prices then thats a different story.

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A 30,000+ seat arena will never happen in Toronto. Sit in the nosebleeds at the Bell Centre and you (won't) see why.

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That's extremely poor design. If you are going to shell out millions to build an ice rink, the firm should know what the hell they are doing, like sight lines. This isn't something we learn in our final year for architecture (and design), this is like semester 1 stuff.

The Bolts arena is a nice one though, i doubt the fans are as rude as they are at the habs arena, went to 1 game there to watch the habs play while i was visiting MTL and wow...you'd think the fans bought tickets to go and boo all game long.
Well the Thunderdome wasn't made for hockey...

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I think arena with 25.000 would be feasible.
At the top level 5000 extra seats is probably two extra rows of seating. I don't see how that is going to affect the view.

If and when the league decides to go for a round of arena rebuild I think one of the
key ingrediants for the games continued success is to increase the ice surface.

Maybe not to Olympic dimensions but maybe halfway.

Players being larger, stronger, faster a larger ice surface will give the game more flow, and reduce injuries which is what we all are after.
I really doubt it'd be only two extra rows of seating. By the logic every stadium in the league has 8 rows.

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10-09-2007, 02:27 PM
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If they had $10 seats 5-6 rows higher in my home teams arena, I'd be a season ticket holder (2 tickets). I'd also be able to bring extra guests to at least 10 games a year.

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10-09-2007, 02:39 PM
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The additional construction costs for an additional 5 to 8 thousand seats is exponentially more then many of you predict. Yes, it can be built, however, if you're counting on $5 tickets to off set the extra costs, a quick payback calculation will quickly tell you this is not a good business model. Hence I don't see this a likely option.

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cause youd make less money with a 30,000 seat arena

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