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10-17-2007, 11:00 AM
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since I was away for the last 3 games..I'll ask this now..

I haven't heard anything bad about Hossa's play yet... infact I see he has 3 assists in 3 games... but now has some sort of injury? ...well anyway, realistically, how has he been playing? Would it be smart to send down a D-man and bring up Dawes..

I'm willing to see Dawes playing a bit...especially with Gomez...we need some spark....
He got a groin problem after the first game, and therefor haven't been able to practise between the games.

He was very active and intense the first game, he was good again the 2nd night, but in the 3rd game against Ottawa he kind of dissapeared. Its hard to tell if it was his play, the opposition (Ottawa) or his groin that held him back. We have to wait and see.

He have defenitly been good enough to not be taken out of the lineup. He defenitly outplayed allot of players in our lineup the first 3 games and it would be very odd to take him out from a position that he actually fits well in.

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10-23-2007, 10:38 PM
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I guess Shanny is going as the Invisible Man for Halloween (symbol noise)

It amazes me that Shanny continues to escape criticism on these boards. Even though he makes 5mill a year (which I am told was him doing us a favor) to score goals and has had a shooting percentage below 5% from 29 games before his concussion till now. Meanwhile people are yelling about Colton Orr and Ryan Hollweg in the gamethread. What they have to do with us not scoring goals I have no idea. Why blame the guy making 5 mill a year to score goals when it's easier to blame two 4th liners.

Another thing, can we please stop calling him a SNIPER. Our powerplay is set up to feed him the puck in a good situation and he keeps firing away right into the goalies chest or missing the net completely. How many shots has shanny had from the top of the circle during 5 on 3 PP's and 5 on 4 PP's??


"But...but Shanny fought Brasheer last year.....and....and he brings intangibles."

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10-24-2007, 12:31 AM
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Shanahan looked awful tonight. He couldn't keep up with the play and everytime he got the puck he slowed everything down and had it stripped away

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10-24-2007, 02:05 AM
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maybe renney was correct by putting betts with shanny, just trying out the new look fourth line.. shanny is embarrassing himself right now, he looks like ****, and when things do go right the tv cameras have him yelling at someone, teammate/refs...

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10-24-2007, 02:21 AM
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Don't worry, he'll turn his game on once he reaches his 10 game incentive.


Should have had a shooting percentage incentive instead.

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10-24-2007, 04:23 AM
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Another thing, can we please stop calling him a SNIPER. Our powerplay is set up to feed him the puck in a good situation and he keeps firing away right into the goalies chest or missing the net completely. How many shots has shanny had from the top of the circle during 5 on 3 PP's and 5 on 4 PP's??

"But...but Shanny fought Brasheer last year.....and....and he brings intangibles."
Don't want to kick on someone whos down already, but I had problems with his shooting before he went down with the concussion last season.

So many times when our PP struggled, didn't shoot enough ect, Nyls and JJ passed around the puck for 1:20 in the perimeter, they did end up with opening up Shanny completly in the crease and he got to onetime it on a goalie moving from post to post, and like 9 out 10 times he missed.

Shanny isn't a go-to sniper, never really have been. His shot is suprising, but when he lines up in a sniper role the goalie knows that a shot is probably gooing to come from him, and in thoose situations Shanny just isn't very dangerous.

What also annoys me is Jagrs slapper. Look at the highlights from 2 seasons ago, like 24 of the goals he scored came of slappers from the right side, far out. Long distance shots. So ok, he hurt his shoulder and didn't have the same power early last season. But what about this season? He must get that slapper back in order.

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"But...but Shanny fought Brasheer last year.....and....and he brings intangibles."
That and hard working blue collar NA's don't get criticized in MSG.

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10-24-2007, 10:28 AM
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pre-concussion, the man was exhausted - that's what happens when you play a guy 20+ minutes per night when he's used to 16. If Shanny's not keeping up, take him off the PK, preserve the guy a bit. It's too early to repeat what happened with him last season.

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10-24-2007, 01:13 PM
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pre-concussion, the man was exhausted - that's what happens when you play a guy 20+ minutes per night when he's used to 16. If Shanny's not keeping up, take him off the PK, preserve the guy a bit. It's too early to repeat what happened with him last season.
Fletch, I have been begging for Renney to take Shanny off the Pk since last year, it makes zero sense. 1)It will preserve his legs. 2) He isn't a good PK'er in the first place.
Renney seems to be in a constant state of trying to appease Shanny. The upsetting thing about the Shanny situation is that the team keeps putting him in situations to succeed and he keeps failing over and over again. Like a pitcher that keeps throwing you fastballs down the middle and you keep fouling them off over and over.

I wish I got paid 5 mill to bring intangibles.

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10-24-2007, 08:08 PM
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And I'm sure Jagr's one goal is nice for our cornerstone player as well.

Right now no one on this team is scoring. Not Shanny, Not Jagr, not Drury, not Prucha, not Callahan, no one.

Shanny needs to step it up, as do a lot of guys.

But enough is enough already.

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Huge Shanny fan here! WHy is he on the 3rd line, he should be on the 1st or 2nd line. I also feel he should be captain. Nobody has more heart then shanny on that team.

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Huge Shanny fan here! WHy is he on the 3rd line, he should be on the 1st or 2nd line. I also feel he should be captain. Nobody has more heart then shanny on that team.
He played 20 plus minutes against the Penguins so I wouldn't worry what line he's on.

As many have said, less time on ice might mean more production from Shanahan at this point in his career.

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10-25-2007, 06:35 AM
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No matter what anyone says, Shannahan is a shell of his former self. Post concussion this guy has altered his game to one of finesse. His game was palying a strong, physical game. This new Shanny looks far too much like the many over the hill vets we have sigbed in this team's long history. Not good and if it continues he is just eating up valuable playing time that could be given to a younger player. At this tsage vets have to produce at teh level expected or they need to be moved on and out.

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10-25-2007, 12:00 PM
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Atlanta...

Shanny did score 5 goals in 10 playoff games last season - not too bad. I will say that his game was mostly finesse for the better part of last season.

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10-26-2007, 12:40 AM
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As mentioned, Shanahan wasn't off the face of the earth come playoff time.

Secondly, while his second half was nowhere near his first half, I believe from Mid-January on he was still at about a 25 goal pace.

The risk is always there with a player that is Shanahan's age. There's simply no way to pretend that it isn't.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that this is the end for him. But this team has so many overall offensive struggles right now that it's hard to put that into context.

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10-26-2007, 02:19 AM
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54 shots on goal in 9 games--a lot of them very good opportunities. They're just not going in for him but if a few of them had we wouldn't be having this discussion. I agree that Shanny's being asked to do too much especially with all the pk duty. 38 years old and being a main penalty killer. Where are all the third and 4th liners--besides Betts and Callahan? I think Shanny (and Straka) have been maybe overall our best forward(s).

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I look at it this way, whether or not he is done or on a serious decline, the minutes have to be managed.

Give him 16 minutes and limit his PK assignments.

This team has the forward depth to move in that direction.

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this is what says it best: "Give him 16 minutes and limit his PK assignments". This is a coaching decision. I'll beat a dead horse here: the Shanny we saw from opening faceoff until mid-December was one Shanny. Thereafter, there was another, and by another, we're talking a stretch of something like 2 goals in 20 games. He looked tired. He's a big guy who's logged some heavy mileage as a banger who wasn't hurt much throughout his career. His numbers seemed to be on the decline in Detroit before getting back to 40 goals and 16 minutes of ice time (a couple minutes less than the prior season). Interestingly enough, he killed penalties in 03-04, when he scored about 25 goals and averagaed 18+ minutes. He didn't kill penalties in the next NHL season when he scored 40 goals. Then he seemingly runs out of gas middway through while in NY. Could it be that there is a correlation? Shanny's goals are needed more than his 2 minutes on the PK. I really hope this changes soon.

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10-26-2007, 04:51 PM
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I don't mind the Rangers using Shanny sometimes to kill penalties it's just he shouldn't be doing it all the time. Neither should Straka. Two years ago our third and fourth lines provided our main penalty killing units. Betts/Ward. Moore/Ortmeyer. Now it's our first two lines providing that and they are not young guys. At this point in time we have two fourth liners who specialize in one thing--Hollweg--running guys on the forecheck and Orr dropping the gloves. Prucha somewhere between a second and a third liner is not defensively responsible enough and too easily outmuscled even though he has a lot of gumption. Maybe the Rangers can work Dawes or Dubinsky into the rotation but I agree Shanny should be in the 16 minute neighborhood and have his penalty killing cut in half.

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this is what says it best: "Give him 16 minutes and limit his PK assignments". This is a coaching decision. I'll beat a dead horse here: the Shanny we saw from opening faceoff until mid-December was one Shanny. Thereafter, there was another, and by another, we're talking a stretch of something like 2 goals in 20 games. He looked tired. He's a big guy who's logged some heavy mileage as a banger who wasn't hurt much throughout his career. His numbers seemed to be on the decline in Detroit before getting back to 40 goals and 16 minutes of ice time (a couple minutes less than the prior season). Interestingly enough, he killed penalties in 03-04, when he scored about 25 goals and averagaed 18+ minutes. He didn't kill penalties in the next NHL season when he scored 40 goals. Then he seemingly runs out of gas middway through while in NY. Could it be that there is a correlation? Shanny's goals are needed more than his 2 minutes on the PK. I really hope this changes soon.
I'll beat a deadhorse here too...

Who else is Renney supposed to use when 3 of his opening night 6 pk guys are out? The only effective thing Shanny is doing right now is killing penalties...His minutes should be cut on the power play not the penalty kill..

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I'll beat a deadhorse here too...

Who else is Renney supposed to use when 3 of his opening night 6 pk guys are out? The only effective thing Shanny is doing right now is killing penalties...His minutes should be cut on the power play not the penalty kill..
I disagree.

First - Gomez, Drury, Hossa, Betts, and several others are all capable of killing penalties.

Second - It's times like these that you have to adapt and try to find new ways. But this is one area I continie to mark Renney off on. His adapting needs serious work. I give the man a ton of credit, but this is one area that he continues to struggle with.

Third - Shanahan is hired to be a goal scorer and frankly the first moves you make are to get him to score, not the second moves. If he's finished as a goal scorer, then you move him to the PK unit and limit his PP time, not the other way around.

Renney has options and it goes beyond just the current injury problem. This isn't a "new" problem.

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I wanted to bring this thread back for a second because I noticed something while I was attending Leetch night that is difficult to notice while watching the team on TV because the camera only follows the puck.

Shanny is an invisible even strength player. I watched what he did away from the puck every shift last game. You can't fully appreciate how slow he is on TV until you see him in person playing next to Dawes and Dubinsky. The lone goal we scored pretty much told the story of that lines entire game. Dawes and Dubinksy flying around pressuring the other team and forechecking like madmen and shanny gliding around the perimeter not going anywhere near the high contact areas. I always knew Shanny wasn't a power forward but more of a sniper but I never realized to what extent he stays away from any sort of contact on the ice, it's actually alarming. He doesn't cycle well, he doesn't forecheck well, he can't carry the puck into the zone well and he is slow backchecking (which isn't from a lack of effort, he is just slow).

So I decided to look at what Shanny has done the past 15 games.

+/-: (-6)
Goals- 4
Assists- 2
Intangibles brought - NHL.com doesn't have stat for this

2 of those goals and both his assists came on the PP.
1 goal came in overtime against montreal (game winner)
1 goal came with 15 seconds left in calgary when we were down by 2.

Anyone else think that perhaps the anger and hatred thrown towards our Captain Jagr is slightly misguided considering Shanny is playing at a much lower level? When I started this thread earlier in the year I thought Shanny was a 3rd line player at this point in his career. I think I actually may have been off target there, it seems like he is really just a Power play, shootout and postgame interview specialist.

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You can notice it on TV. I was watching the Leetch game thinking that Shanny was the weakest link on that line. I don't hate (or even have a problem) with either Jagr or Shanny but I'm certainly not against seeing one or both of them moved at the deadline.

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You can notice it on TV. I was watching the Leetch game thinking that Shanny was the weakest link on that line. I don't hate (or even have a problem) with either Jagr or Shanny but I'm certainly not against seeing one or both of them moved at the deadline.
Who's to say moving Shanny and replacing him with another forward gotten through trade wouldn't be an upgrade?

This is even if we are still in contention. Jagr is here to stay regardless.

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I wanted to bring this thread back for a second because I noticed something while I was attending Leetch night that is difficult to notice while watching the team on TV because the camera only follows the puck.

Shanny is an invisible even strength player. I watched what he did away from the puck every shift last game. You can't fully appreciate how slow he is on TV until you see him in person playing next to Dawes and Dubinsky. The lone goal we scored pretty much told the story of that lines entire game. Dawes and Dubinksy flying around pressuring the other team and forechecking like madmen and shanny gliding around the perimeter not going anywhere near the high contact areas. I always knew Shanny wasn't a power forward but more of a sniper but I never realized to what extent he stays away from any sort of contact on the ice, it's actually alarming. He doesn't cycle well, he doesn't forecheck well, he can't carry the puck into the zone well and he is slow backchecking (which isn't from a lack of effort, he is just slow).

So I decided to look at what Shanny has done the past 15 games.

+/-: (-6)
Goals- 4
Assists- 2
Intangibles brought - NHL.com doesn't have stat for this

2 of those goals and both his assists came on the PP.
1 goal came in overtime against montreal (game winner)
1 goal came with 15 seconds left in calgary when we were down by 2.

Anyone else think that perhaps the anger and hatred thrown towards our Captain Jagr is slightly misguided considering Shanny is playing at a much lower level? When I started this thread earlier in the year I thought Shanny was a 3rd line player at this point in his career. I think I actually may have been off target there, it seems like he is really just a Power play, shootout and postgame interview specialist.
Yeah. It's definitely noticeable. He is spot on, just for that now, and with the powerplay struggling, it shows more and more how useless Shanahan can be at his very age. I want him here, but for the third line, and if we're out of playoff picture, I don't.

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