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10-16-2007, 01:58 PM
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I'd give Markov a 2-year deal. We need some improvement on defense, and its not like we're going anywhere this season or next.

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10-16-2007, 02:33 PM
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yeah adding Markov is a plus for this team no doubt, ability to make a clean first pass, solid defensively, can play a 2nd PP unit and TOUGH AS NAILS ..

Financially it would make more sense to send Stu down anyways, it clears more off the Books (if only slightly) .. Regardless injuries are bound to pop up and Stu would be the go to guy ..
It makes sense to send Stuart down to make room for someone, but if there is an injury he would not be called back up because they wouldn't have the cap flexibility to do so, so then Allen would be the one getting the injury time and Stuart (IMO) wastes away in Providence. I don't think he can learn too much more playing against AHL talent. Personally, I prefer a trade for Morris over Markov, but like most I don't want to start selling pleyers off just yet. I still think this team needs a proven #2 dman though.

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10-16-2007, 02:41 PM
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Is there a date for that Russian article? Eklund was on XM aa couple of weeks ago and he was reporting only two choices, Boston and New Jersey. This past sunday he upped the list of teams to include Buffalo and 2 others I can't recall for a total of 5 teams interested in Markov. Then again it is Eklund...sigh.............

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10-16-2007, 02:47 PM
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Chiarelli should be looking for a faceoff specialist.

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10-16-2007, 02:57 PM
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It makes sense to send Stuart down to make room for someone, but if there is an injury he would not be called back up because they wouldn't have the cap flexibility to do so, so then Allen would be the one getting the injury time and Stuart (IMO) wastes away in Providence. I don't think he can learn too much more playing against AHL talent. Personally, I prefer a trade for Morris over Markov, but like most I don't want to start selling pleyers off just yet. I still think this team needs a proven #2 dman though.
Markov is not a proven #2 defenseman.

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10-16-2007, 03:01 PM
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Chiarelli should be looking for a faceoff specialist.

Forget specialist. How 'bout just a guy who can come close to 50 percent?
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10-16-2007, 03:09 PM
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Forget specialist. How 'bout just a guy who can come close to 50 percent?
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Some guy named Joe that I think used to play for the Bruins seems to be doing alright in the circle...

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=431010

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10-16-2007, 03:10 PM
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Chiarelli should be looking for a faceoff specialist.
If you trade for a faceoff specialist, you need to remove Savard, Bergeron and/or Krejci from center

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10-16-2007, 03:23 PM
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If you trade for a faceoff specialist, you need to remove Savard, Bergeron and/or Krejci from center
Or you have him as the 4th line center, and put him out for important draws (and have him get off the ice as soon as he can).

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10-16-2007, 03:24 PM
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Or you have him as the 4th line center, and put him out for important draws (and have him get off the ice as soon as he can).
True, I didnt think about that

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10-16-2007, 04:14 PM
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Chiarelli should be looking for a faceoff specialist.
Is it just me or does Sample Size need to be considered in this conversation before we get all huffy and puffy about faceoffs?

Further, if this becomes a real issue in that Bergy, Savard and Krejci are each incapable of at least a 46%-%50 win rate, surely PC will deal for a specialist at some point or Julien will begin to work on more sophisticated faceoff alignments to compensate for this issue. Just because Tapanen and Milbury managed to milk 3 minutes of intermission talk on faceoff % doesn't mean we need to start nitpicking this. Despite the 3-2 record this team has far bigger issues than a few faceoff percentage points.


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10-16-2007, 04:15 PM
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Markov is not a proven #2 defenseman.
Morris is

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10-16-2007, 04:18 PM
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Morris is
That's up in the air... He was good, then sucked, now he's "good" again after a few games this season. If he can get back to his old form (and stay that way), then yes he would be a solid #2/3. But I don't really have muchy faith in him and acquiring him would probably take more than I'd want to give up. Considering how up-and-down he's been over the past few years, I wouldn't call him a "proven" #2, but a "possible" #2.

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10-16-2007, 04:24 PM
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That's up in the air... He was good, then sucked, now he's "good" again after a few games this season. If he can get back to his old form (and stay that way), then yes he would be a solid #2/3. But I don't really have muchy faith in him and acquiring him would probably take more than I'd want to give up. Considering how up-and-down he's been over the past few years, I wouldn't call him a "proven" #2, but a "possible" #2.
If you had to chose between Morris + Stuart or Markov + Alberts which would you chose? I put it this way because a trade for Morris would most likely include Alberts, and a signing of Markov would mean Stuart getting sent down.

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10-16-2007, 04:28 PM
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Chiarelli should be looking for a faceoff specialist.
and in the preseason when this topic came up and i suggested yannic perreault, everyone said i was an idiot....i can see why we dont need a 60+% faceoff man that has potential to score 15 goals.........

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10-16-2007, 04:34 PM
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and in the preseason when this topic came up and i suggested yannic perreault, everyone said i was an idiot....i can see why we dont need a 60+% faceoff man that has potential to score 15 goals.........
I dont recall anyone calling you an idiot. I think Perrault would have been a great signing for this team. He can do more than just win faceoffs too. But it comes down to cap space. He would have been a 4th liner so Perrault at 1.5 mil, or Metropolit at 500k>

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If you had to chose between Morris + Stuart or Markov + Alberts which would you chose? I put it this way because a trade for Morris would most likely include Alberts, and a signing of Markov would mean Stuart getting sent down.
Obviously Morris and Stuart (Morris>Markov, Stuart=Alberts but younger), but you're ignoring the other assets we'd have to give up to get Morris. I doubt Phoneix would want Axe+Alberts (not sure I'd want to do that either, but it's the popular choice around here), and even if they'd accept that it handicaps us next season if everyone hits their bonuses because we'll be over the cap this year, so the bonus money will count for next year.

You want a trade that might work? It's Sturm+Alberts for Morris. That's the only thing that comes close. We give up a streaky goal scorer who played well in the Western Conference, give them a defenseman to help replace Morris (both players under 30, which is what they want), and we cut enough salary to handle his cap hit. If Morris is a "proven #2 defenseman" you're going to have to give up a significant asset to get him, and that would be Sturm. The lineup could look like this:

Schaefer-Savard-Murray
Bochenski-Bergeron-Kobasew
Lucic/Axelsson-Krejci-Kessel
Axelsson/Lucic-Metropolit-Thornton/Reich

Chara-Ference
Morris-Stuart
Ward-Wideman


I'm also not very interested in Markov at his rumored price tag... I think he's a glorified #3/4 guy, and is basically on par with Ward. At $3m+ I'd stay away.

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10-16-2007, 04:45 PM
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Hate to burst your bubble, but Sturm has a no-trade clause, and there's no way he'd waive it to go to Phoenix.

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10-16-2007, 05:19 PM
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Hate to burst your bubble, but Sturm has a no-trade clause, and there's no way he'd waive it to go to Phoenix.
Wait, did we give Sturm a no-trade clause? Holy %$#& tell me didn't give Marco friggin Sturm a no-trade clause.



I think I just threw up in my mouth.

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10-16-2007, 05:23 PM
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Wait, did we give Sturm a no-trade clause? Holy %$#& tell me didn't give Marco friggin Sturm a no-trade clause.



I think I just threw up in my mouth.
I thought Sturm's NTC kicks in later on in the contract.

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10-16-2007, 05:32 PM
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I have no problem with signing Markov at 3 M if it means getting rid of Ward/Alberts/Bochenski

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I have no problem with signing Markov at 3 M if it means getting rid of Ward/Alberts/Bochenski
Thank God you're not running the team... Markov is hardly an upgrade over Ward. He's not worth $3m (and Ward isn't worth his $2.75 either, but whatever). If Markov wants to sign for about $2m, that's fine with me. But much more than that and I think it's an overpayment.

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10-17-2007, 02:24 AM
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I thought Sturm's NTC kicks in later on in the contract.
I think I read it is conditional NTC with a list of like 12 teams he won't go to?

Besides making to much money the addition of Shaefer has made me hate Sturm a lot less. He is in a role to succeed this year playing less minutes and having help from the rest of the team to provide offense.

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I really like Markov, and in years past, I've wanted to see him on the Bruins. But now, I'd rather pass.... either in favor of going after Morris , or waiting to see how this current crop fares as the season goes on.

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For now, I think we need to stay the course and see how this bunch works out.

For me, option 2 would be to somehow acquire Morris.

Thirdly- would be Markov, but I can't see a multi year deal and money is an issue.

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