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10-18-2007, 11:12 PM
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Higgins - Koivu - Kovalev.. Is this not possible?

I'm just wondering why this line has never (I don't think) been tried. Why not just put our 3 best offensive players on one line and see what happens?

Would our 2nd line be too terrible with Plekanec, Kostitsyn and Ryder?

Why can't we just roll 3 lines and rarely a 4th line? Kovalev NEEDS to be on the ice as much as possible. He's playing inspired hockey right now.

Maybe Kovalev can finish off some of these chances that Higgins is generating (maybe not tonight, but every game Higgins has been generating offense).

Higgins - Koivu - Kovalev
Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Ryder
Grabovski - Smolinski - Latendresse
Begin - Chipchura - Dandenault

Are our 2nd and 3rd lines too weak now? Maybe Grabovski will have some more room to operate and control the puck with 2 "power" players with him and him not having to backcheck as much or deal with faceoffs.

Plekanec is solid defensively and Kostitsyn has great vision, maybe Ryder can pot a couple passes from him.

I just want a line, ONE line, that you can bank on to score and score regularly. I want one line that the other team fears and I want them to PLAY OFTEN.

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I want that first line since forever... Kovalev can finish Higgins play.

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Ssssh... take a few seconds of silence... you hear that sound? Tis the Carbo bashers' voice. They're coming. They should be here any minute now.

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anyway you can get kovalev with saku is the right way

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I'm just wondering why this line has never (I don't think) been tried. Why not just put our 3 best offensive players on one line and see what happens?

Would our 2nd line be too terrible with Plekanec, Kostitsyn and Ryder?

Why can't we just roll 3 lines and rarely a 4th line? Kovalev NEEDS to be on the ice as much as possible. He's playing inspired hockey right now.

Maybe Kovalev can finish off some of these chances that Higgins is generating (maybe not tonight, but every game Higgins has been generating offense).

Higgins - Koivu - Kovalev
Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Ryder
Grabovski - Smolinski - Latendresse
Begin - Chipchura - Dandenault

Are our 2nd and 3rd lines too weak now? Maybe Grabovski will have some more room to operate and control the puck with 2 "power" players with him and him not having to backcheck as much or deal with faceoffs.

Plekanec is solid defensively and Kostitsyn has great vision, maybe Ryder can pot a couple passes from him.

I just want a line, ONE line, that you can bank on to score and score regularly. I want one line that the other team fears and I want them to PLAY OFTEN.
I don't have a problem with that. Our first line looks pretty good as it is right now though.

Personally, the line I wanted to see was the Higgy/Pleks/Kosti combo that we saw last year. They were great together.

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10-18-2007, 11:27 PM
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It was tried way back then in 04-05. It didn't last very long, it was basically the last experiment before Kovy and Koivu were split up.

Is it a good idea, though? The Koivu line isn't scoring, but at least, it forces pressue and creates chances. Kovalev is scoring and doesn't need Saku to do it -- can Ryder do the same? Can he score with Plekanec?

I still think a Latendresse-Plekanec-Kostitsyn line would work well (I thought Lats and Kost had good chemistry last year). Can Ryder produce with Grabovski and/or Smolinski?

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I think this line should be tried. Carbo tinkered with the lines too often last year IMHO, a try with a powerhouse line is well overdue.

Besides, Ryder is seeming more and more like a useless player. Not just because he doesn't produce, he just sucks. Period. Think about it. 30 goals, 50 points, playing with Koivu. Couldn't anybody do almost that?

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It was tried way back then in 04-05. It didn't last very long, it was basically the last experiment before Kovy and Koivu were split up.
It was tried during the lockout?

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It was tried during the lockout?
That would certainly explain why it didn't work.

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I would put:

Ryder Koivu Kovalev
Higgins Plekanec Kostitsyn

that second line was gorgeous at the end of last season..

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I would put:

Ryder Koivu Kovalev
Higgins Plekanec Kostitsyn

that second line was gorgeous at the end of last season..
That could make Plekanec and Kostitsyn work. I have high expectation for Plekanec, especially with how he played the second half of last season. He hasnt done anything good yet.

But i really want to see Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev, Higgins is creating a lot of offense, and Kovalev is putting the puck in the net. Just put your 3 best forward JUST FOR ONCE. ONCE CARBO ONCE!!!

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I would put:

Ryder Koivu Kovalev
Higgins Plekanec Kostitsyn

that second line was gorgeous at the end of last season..
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I would put:

Ryder Koivu Kovalev
Higgins Plekanec Kostitsyn

that second line was gorgeous at the end of last season..
Ya. Higgins and Pleks have some great chemistry. Kostitsyn plays really well with them.

Those would definitely be my top two.

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Anyone still love Smolinski? I miss Bonk

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I like the idea of putting Koivu and Kovy together since Kovy and Pleks just don't respond to each other on the ice. Kovy needs someone to fish the pucks out of the corner. We know that Tender plays well with puck carriers, he's not a puck carrier himself, so I'd play Koivu between Kovy and Tender for a 1A line

Higgins is a complete player and compliments line mates, regardless of who they are. I think he has a good influence on Ryder and Pleks feels more comfortable with him than Kovy, so I'd go Pleks between Higgy and Ryder for line 1B.

Grabs has a spot on this team, he's fast and keeps the other team's d-men deep. Kosty can compliment his speed, so I'd play them together and put Lapierre on the other wing to give them some "chien" as we say in french. This would give him a chance to show his offence which is not always in evidence since he plays a shut-down role.

On the 4th line, I'd play Chip between Smokes and Dandy, and keep Kotso and Murray as far away from my future stars as possible.

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10-19-2007, 09:35 AM
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It was tried during the lockout?
Yeah, back when Koivu and Kovalev were with the Bulldogs.

(05-06)

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10-19-2007, 09:38 AM
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Anyone still love Smolinski? I miss Bonk
I wish neither one of them

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I'm starting to wonder if the CKAC-ian "Koivu and Kovalev hate each other" rumour is true. It's the only thing that makes sense.

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Kostitsyn - Koivu - Kovalev
Higgins - Plekanec - Ryder (Higgs and Pleks is the way to go)

Or

Ryder - Koivu - Kovalev (been tried before, not too bad)
higgins - Plekanec - Kostitsyn

Or

Higgins - Koivu - Ryder
Smolinski - Plekanec - Kovalev
Kostitsyn - Grabovski - Latendresse

I know the third line is scary defensively, but how many times have we tried lines with defensive players and how many times have they failed?

It's time to become an offense-first minded team.

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The first line sure ain't broke. And Kovalev ain't broke either. Do we really need to fix things?

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The first line sure ain't broke. And Kovalev ain't broke either. Do we really need to fix things?
Kovalev's linemates are broke

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Is it possible? Yes
Will It happen? probably
By the time it happens will it be too late? probably

the way carbonneau was last year keeping kovalev with sammy all season even tho they played like ass together, I don't c why he would do anything smarter this time around.

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Or

Ryder - Koivu - Kovalev (been tried before, not too bad)

when was that? except on the powerplay witch was our most effective line..

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Since all line possibilities were tried except Koivu playing with Kovalev, I would guess someone (Koivu) desn't want to play with someone else (Kovalev)...

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I would put:

Ryder Koivu Kovalev
Higgins Plekanec Kostitsyn

that second line was gorgeous at the end of last season..
I can't imagine how the 1st line would work. Only koivu works hard and makes the play, the 2 others are snipers but koivu alone is not enough doind the rest of the job.

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