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01-13-2004, 07:40 PM
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What's the deal with Peca

Why exactly do people here want to trade Koivu for him? I see no reason at all. Koivu has more points then Peca, more goals, more assist. Peca has 4 goals and 2 were empty netters. Peca is 5'11" 183, Koivu is 5'10" 180, so we don't get bigger. Peca ****ed up his knee, Koivu has ****ed up knees. Koivu is like 7 month younger then Peca, so not younger. More leadership? Nah, Koivu does it on the ice, Peca might talk in the dressing room, but I am sure Souray has that covered don't you think?

So what is the deal?

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01-13-2004, 07:49 PM
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I don't think anyone here wants Peca for Saku..it's the Montreal media being anti-saku if anything. With the Habs playing well and Peca injured those rumors have been put to rest.

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Exactly, nobody wants to trade Saku for an injury prone overpaid player like Peca. I'm not against a Koivu trade, but not for Peca !

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01-13-2004, 09:03 PM
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Exactly, nobody wants to trade Saku for an injury prone overpaid player like Peca. I'm not against a Koivu trade, but not for Peca !
Hopefully you realize that your captain's missed over 200 NHL games in his 8 year career. Michael Peca has missed 65 games during the same period of time... 27 over the last 4 seasons.

Saku Koivu is the epitome of injury prone.

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Mike Peca is one of the best defensive players in the game today, and one of the league's premier penalty killers... I don't think Koivu can match that

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Hopefully you realize that your captain's missed over 200 NHL games in his 8 year career. Michael Peca has missed 65 games during the same period of time... 27 over the last 4 seasons.

Saku Koivu is the epitome of injury prone.
That's your opinion, Pierre. Besides right now Koivu is playing at a much higher level than Peca. In fact, Peca is having a lousy season.

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Mike Peca is one of the best defensive players in the game today, and one of the league's premier penalty killers... I don't think Koivu can match that
You're absolutely right. But do you want a defensive player playing on your first line?

Koivu for Peca ? Nope, never, nada.

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That's your opinion, Pierre. Besides right now Koivu is playing at a much higher level than Peca. In fact, Peca is having a lousy season.
That's not just my opinion.

It's the facts!

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They are comparables in stats (in some way) but, ... Koivu now is much much more valuable than Peca.
Peca was good before but he doesn't create much offence now. Peca is used, he's a bit done/over.
Koivu is really playing well with his teamates now. Koivu doesn't leave Montreal unless the deal is good, really good.
Koivu for Peca? - NO WAY!!
Even the worst Koivu-bashers of MTL medias wouldn't make that deal.

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Hopefully you realize that your captain's missed over 200 NHL games in his 8 year career. Michael Peca has missed 65 games during the same period of time... 27 over the last 4 seasons.

Saku Koivu is the epitome of injury prone.

He also sat out an entire year being a contract holdout.

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Hopefully you realize that your captain's missed over 200 NHL games in his 8 year career. Michael Peca has missed 65 games during the same period of time... 27 over the last 4 seasons.

Saku Koivu is the epitome of injury prone.
well Antropov is more injury prone than koivu..
and koivu main reason why he's injured so often it's because of his fireball style of play !

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Mike Peca is one of the best defensive players in the game today, and one of the league's premier penalty killers... I don't think Koivu can match that

And Peca can't match what Koivu brings offensively, the ability to make teammates better, creativity, inspiration, what he brings to the city, and respect in the lockerroom.

BTW, fact - Koivu is one of Montreals best penalty killers as well, and plays against opposing top lines as well.

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People say that Peca is a good leader but real good leaders don't hold out for a year and don't ask to be traded. Koivu showed commitment to the habs so far, Peca didn't with Buffalo. My opinion is that it's difficult for a guy to come in and become the leader of a team within the first few years of a trade or UFA signing. The player usually has to grow old with the team, earn the respect of his teamates over a certain period of time with on-ice consistency and only then assume the leadership mantle. That's how I see it.

So Koivu is head and shoulders above Peca in the offensive and leadership department IMO. Trading Koivu for Peca and giving him the C in hope to find some kind of elusive "ultimate" leadership would fail miserably. I'm convinced of that.

That being said I'm sure Peca was a great leader with the sabres. Just like Messier was a great leader with the oilers.

Now I can already hear people say Stevens but did Stevens get the C on his first day in NJ ? I have no idea but I doubt it.

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He also sat out an entire year being a contract holdout.
That's not an injury situation though... so it doesn't count.

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well Antropov is more injury prone than koivu..
And your point being..... ?

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And your point being..... ?
each year one big injury ... while being soft .. you have to be really weak to do that :p

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That's not an injury situation though... so it doesn't count.
Sitting out for a year in a hold out situation is even worse than an injury. I don't want players like that on my team.

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each year one big injury ... while being soft .. you have to be really weak to do that :p
Do you even own a TV set?

Nikolai Antropov is soft?

Yeah... sure thing.

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Do you even own a TV set?

Nikolai Antropov is soft?

Yeah... sure thing.
I'd agree with Koivu being injury prone. But the guy really hasn't been lucky. I mean getting cancer or the hip check to the knees. Saku is anything BUT fragile. If you've ever seen him play, you know he gives it his all. I still remember the playoffs when he went after Thorton after receiving a spear. He's the kind of player every team wants. He shows what he's made of every shift of every game.

Personally I'd rather have Saku for 60 games a season, than Peca for 82.

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Do you even own a TV set?

Nikolai Antropov is soft?

Yeah... sure thing.
Antropov is as soft as Marcel Hossa if you want my opinion ...

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I just think that Peca is turning into Juneau. A great offensive power early in his career, now his skills are drying up and not scoring anymore. I don't want another Juneau for a player that is as explosive as Koivu.

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That's your opinion, Pierre. Besides right now Koivu is playing at a much higher level than Peca. In fact, Peca is having a lousy season.

Uhh...Is it just me or did he present stats and not an opinion? Peca is not injury prone, Koivu is. Koivu's skill level is a little better then Peca while Peca's defensive play is one of the best, if not the best in the league. Koivu is a good leader and so is Peca. I'm not pushing for a Koivu-Peca trade but it isn't by all means an unfair proposal.

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I just think that Peca is turning into Juneau. A great offensive power early in his career, now his skills are drying up and not scoring anymore. I don't want another Juneau for a player that is as explosive as Koivu.

Juneau is a one hit wonder, you can't compare him to Peca. Juneau's skills are apparent but for some reason he was only able to produce one year. Peca never had a 100 pts season but he's consistent.

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Uhh...Is it just me or did he present stats and not an opinion? Peca is not injury prone, Koivu is. Koivu's skill level is a little better then Peca while Peca's defensive play is one of the best, if not the best in the league. Koivu is a good leader and so is Peca. I'm not pushing for a Koivu-Peca trade but it isn't by all means an unfair proposal.
koivu offensive skills is way over peca ..
and is defensive skills is very underrated ..
i'll keep koivu over peca any day of my life !!

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Mike Peca is one of the best defensive players in the game today, and one of the league's premier penalty killers... I don't think Koivu can match that
Koivu is one of the games most talented playmakers.

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