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01-11-2004, 04:11 PM
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Pho and Phi Proposal

Burke & Taffe
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Gagne & Handzus

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Burke & Taffe
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I'd delete this now if I were you

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I'd delete this now if I were you
Agreed.

Gagne>>>Burke
Handzus>>>Taffe

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Burke and Taffe arent worth Gagane alone, let alone Handzus.

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....and I thought Grigorenko, Hudler and Fischer for Satan and Zhitnik was bad....

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....and I thought Grigorenko, Hudler and Fischer for Satan and Zhitnik was bad....
That one would win the Wings the cup.

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Duck and cover, MBJets! This is about to get VERY ugly, VERY quick....

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Go easy on him guys, he's only been here since December.

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Duck and cover, MBJets! This is about to get VERY ugly, VERY quick....
They will get a good prospect and a pick for Zhitnik alone!!!

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01-11-2004, 05:09 PM
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If Clarke were truly desperate (ie Adam Oates type desperate; actually probably worse than Adam Oates desperate) then I could see the Flyers dealing one of Gagne or Handzus; although I don't beleive the Coyotes coaching staff was enamoured with Handzus's attitude which was part of the reason for his departure from the Phoenix organization. Even then, Phoenix would have to part with at least one of their prized prospects (Taffe was their top prospect going into the season and is on the main team and impressing most Coyote fans every night).

Given that the Flyers have already dealt Woywitka and their first round pick this year (and Phoenix already owns their second this year), Philadelphia isn't a great match. Williams, Comrie, Seidenberg, Gagne, Pitkanen are unlikely candidates to be moved Phoenix's way and Phoenix isn't likely going to accept expensive veterans in return. I also think Richards and Carter fall into that untouchable category. At this point, Phoenix will likely be asking for one of those names that I've mentioned but unless things get absolutely desperate I don't see Clarke anxious to pull that trigger, and even then we would be looking at a deadline deal. If this did happen, I would expect that draft picks and likely one of their forward prospects (McLeod, Koreis, Eager) moving the other way. I would anticipate that from that list Eager would offer Clarke the most upside to sell to his fanbase. Again, highly unlikely.

More realistic scenario is a second tier prospect, a conditional draft pick (downside of a second or third round pick dependent upon the quality of the prospect and how far Philli goes in the playoffs - upside would be a first round pick in 2005 which is a discounted future payment).

It's still a high price but definately cheaper than some of the alternatives both monetarily (Burke is $3.5 million less expensive than Cujo and $2 million less than Khabby) and in asset requirement (you can bet Tampa would want at least two of Comrie, Seidenberg, Carter, Richards, Handzus, Gagne, Williams in return for Khabby - they did give up the 31st pick (Matt Spiller), Mike Johnson, and Paul Mara for Khabby in the first place.

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I know I for one wouldn't mind seeing Gagne getting moved. It's clear that he does not fit into Hitchcock's system and would be better off moving to the Western Conference where his style of play is better suited. So, how about this for a deal:

To Phoenix: Gagne, Seidenberg, the rights to Alex Drozdetsky
To Philadelphia: Taffe, Mara, and the Flyers 2nd round choice

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To Calgary: Gagne And A 5th
To Philly: Kobasew, Nystrom And A 3rd
Isn't Kobasew out with a bad shoulder? Besides, if I'm dealing Gagne to Calgary, I'd much rather see Phaneuf come the other way.......

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Flames wont give up Phaneuf.

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Gagne, Pitkanen for Phaneuf and Kobasew.
hehehe....sorry, can't have Pitkanen. He's a part of the defense core we need to build around. I guess the Flyers and Flames wouldn't make good trading partners.

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01-11-2004, 07:20 PM
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Burke and Taffe arent worth Gagane alone, let alone Handzus.
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Er, I beleive he's a Rangers fan.

The Flyers had Burke already, would they really want him again?

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And out come the philly homers
And out come the Phoenix homers, thinking Burke is worth Pitkanen, Gagne, Williams, and a 1st. It was inevitable, I guess.

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And out come the Phoenix homers, thinking Burke is worth Pitkanen, Gagne, Williams, and a 1st. It was inevitable, I guess.
Dont forget your 1st born as well.
Ive given up with argueing with Burkes value, just laugh and move on after youve seen whatever the homers mention.

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I know I for one wouldn't mind seeing Gagne getting moved. It's clear that he does not fit into Hitchcock's system and would be better off moving to the Western Conference where his style of play is better suited.
WRONG WRONG WRONG. He plays great in Hitch's system.

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Dont forget your 1st born as well.
Ive given up with argueing with Burkes value, just laugh and move on after youve seen whatever the homers mention.
nothing like stereotyping Phoenix fans. give me a bloody break.

I'm a Phoenix homer and I've written more than one post that outlines specifically that Phoenix is not expecting any of Gagne, Williams, Comrie, Pitkanen, etc. in return.

Where are the moderators on this sort of post? Does this board promote antagonizing posts that deteriorate this board to the lowest common denominator. It's nice to have debate about issues for once instead of personalities. It is getting out of hand and has been for a long time. I implore the moderators to clean this up so the quality of posts can improve.

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nothing like stereotyping Phoenix fans. give me a bloody break.

I'm a Phoenix homer and I've written more than one post that outlines specifically that Phoenix is not expecting any of Gagne, Williams, Comrie, Pitkanen, etc. in return.
If you are reasonable, that doesnt make you a homer so the post wasnt aimed at you. That was aimed at the clueless ones who think they will get a 1st plus Gagne or Williams type deal for Burke.

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I doubt Philly does this.

Upgrading from Hackett to Burke improves the team less than the downgrading for Gagne/Handzus to Taffe degrades it.

Philly would be a worse team for the deal now and down the road.

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I think anybody discussing Philadelphia's goaltending should be forced by men in sunglasses and black suits to provide a reasonable scenario for what they do with their own goaltenders. Jeff Hackett has a no-trade clause. Is it likely that Clarke pays him $3M to sit in the press box? Robert Esche would have to get traded if they're going to pick up another goaltender. There's no other way for it to happen.

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Should think before you flame...we had Burke and things didn't work out. (that's being nice), In the course of the last week Burke's become invisible because of the play of a guy we sent over to you. Be kinda silly for us to trade one of our best young talents and one of our steadiest two way players for him now wouldn't it? Especially when he's backing up a guy who couldn't cut it here already. If ya wanna talk homerism why not talk about how Burke is constantly overvalued in trade talks.

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And out come the philly homers
Yeah, someone named NYR Lundmark 21 sure is a Philly homer. If you're going to be the pot and call the kettle black, at least get it straight.

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WRONG WRONG WRONG. He plays great in Hitch's system.



UMMMM...are you watching the same Flyers? Gagne has fallen a long way. The chances this guy gets and fans on are astronomical. I'd trade him while we can still get some value. He plays good defense but so do a ton of players...his offense has gone South.

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