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Randy Jones hit on Patrice Bergeron [Youtube at post #158]

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10-27-2007, 05:07 PM
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The 3rd shining example of Flyer hockey this season. Q: Name the forst team to have 3 players suspended for more than 20 games. A: the kings of the cheap shot, the Philadelphia Flyers.

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10-27-2007, 05:08 PM
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10-27-2007, 05:09 PM
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I don't see any intent to injure...and Bergeron knew Randy was there.

It was a solid hit. I doubt the league will come down on it...it's not like Randy Jones is known for cheapshots.

Flyers hysteria is running rampant on the boards.

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How does this compare to Orpik on Cole?
Bergeron in this case was not the puck carrier for very long. He was trying to tap the puck around the back of the net and break off to his left in order to get back in position to make the cycle work. Jones saw an opportunity to slow him down in his effort to get back to his assigned position and decided, in an obvious error, to paste him to the boards to slow him down. This play developed a lot closer to the boards than did the Erik Cole situation.

Erik Cole was doing the same thing pretty much by trying to advance the puck down low, but it seems like Orpik put Cole into the boards with more purpose.

I would call the situations comperable.

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10-27-2007, 05:10 PM
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Just a friendly reminder....

Just reading some posts and we are getting a lot of "There was no intent".

I must ask why is that important?

If I want to beat someone up, but I kill them am I going to get any leniency from the judge. I think not. He will punish the action. Remember its punish the action not intent.

If we are to punish the intent then he would not get a single game for this hit. Because I think people are right I don't think he wanted to hurt Bergeron.

But, again that doesn't matter punish the action...30 games minimum, and we'll see less of this **** in our game.

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10-27-2007, 05:10 PM
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Orpik had much, MUCH less of a time to react. Cole turned SLIGHTLY, but I still feel that Orpik could've pulled up. He had a hell of a lot less of a chance to do it than Jones did, however -- who was watching Bergeron from across the ice from behind.
The thing that made the Orpik hit worse was his feet leaving the ice and piling Cole headfirst into the boards when he was like three feet away. Just a stupid, stupid play that can't have any outcome other than a serious injury. But I shouldn't get into that, it was last year and it'll just start another argument with people trying to say it was Cole's fault. Always amazes me how anyone can defend such a blatantly dirty hit like that or Jones' tonight.

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10-27-2007, 05:10 PM
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The 3rd shining example of Flyer hockey this season. Q: Name the forst team to have 3 players suspended for more than 20 games. A: the kings of the cheap shot, the Philadelphia Flyers.
He will get no wheres near 20 games and you know that.

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Dirty hit, but shouldn't get more the 10 games. If the NHL can't had out decent penalties and suspensions when this happens multipul times a game, they shouldn't change it for a injured superstar.
agreed, 10 is fine, 30 is absurd, simon gets 25 for chopping a tree down on hollweg and then jones is going to get 30, no way

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10-27-2007, 05:11 PM
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Bullies back on the street!! (It wasn't very dirty but still they injured a star player)......Okay, I don't want Begeron to be injured but this is the first time it happened to a star player and let's see how the league reacts.

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10-27-2007, 05:11 PM
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I wonder what people's opinions would be if the uniforms and names were removed...
It would be completely different.

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Ugh. Jones looked like he was admiring Bergeron's ass from 10 feet away. I think Mathieu Roy can see how lucky he is to be back so soon.

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How does this compare to Orpik on Cole?
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw it, actually. The angle anyway, maybe not the speed.

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Very similar in my opinion, but Orpik's suspension wasn't that big was it?
It was also a few years ago when you'd probably have had to actually kill someone to get more than a slap on the wrist. The League has been trying to set some new precedents regarding dirty hits this year, let's see if they keep it up.

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It would be completely different.
Yeah, if it were Ruzicka on Chara.

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10-27-2007, 05:15 PM
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They just showed it on ESPN, I hate how ESPN only shows negative things about hockey.

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Finally saw it and I call that dirty. Bergeron didn't at any time turn in any direction that would give partial fault to him like the hit on Mathew Roy. Jones had him lined up for 10+ feet.

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They just showed it on ESPN, I hate how ESPN only shows negative things about hockey.
yep

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10-27-2007, 05:16 PM
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Just a friendly reminder....

Just reading some posts and we are getting a lot of "There was no intent".

I must ask why is that important?

If I want to beat someone up, but I kill them am I going to get any leniency from the judge. I think not. He will punish the action. Remember its punish the action not intent.

If we are to punish the intent then he would not get a single game for this hit. Because I think people are right I don't think he wanted to hurt Bergeron.

But, again that doesn't matter punish the action...30 games minimum, and we'll see less of this **** in our game.
Thats actually not true. Intent is a big factor in the example you tried to use. Its the same for this, his intent wasn't to injure, so he shouldn't be suspended for the same amount of games as someone who did have that intent.

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10-27-2007, 05:16 PM
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I defend it. And I think it's pure garbage you all are acting like it was crime.

Patrice stopped on a dime 4 feet from the boards, stuck his butt out, with a dude bearing down on him at full speed. Randy was sooooo trying to deliver a hard hit that he skated away after the puck within milliseconds of making contact.

If Patrice didn't hit his head on the divide it wouldn't even have been noticed except.

Everyone saying, "well he didn't have to push him" I mean what the hell. It's a contact sport and when a guy stops directly infront of you and you make contact with him are you supposed to fall down?

I seriously hope Patrice is OK and that's the most important thing. But this was just a fluke and you all need bigger balls because you're pussifying this sport.

There is a place in hockey for hard hits, and good checking and
fights.
There is no place for these kind of hits, head hunting etc.

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10-27-2007, 05:17 PM
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30 years ago they were the kings of fighting.

Today they are the kings of cheap-shots.


Look for some Flyers to be targeted in the future games vs. the teams they cheapshotted.

Ben Eager isn't exactly Dave Schultz.

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10-27-2007, 05:17 PM
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Hmm..

I see the Flyers haven't learned anything.

Perhaps the league should start fining the organization.

$1M cap space fine for every illegal hit resulting in injury and suspension.

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10-27-2007, 05:19 PM
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They just showed it on ESPN, I hate how ESPN only shows negative things about hockey.
You dont want ESPN to report it?

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Hmm..

I see the Flyers haven't learned anything.

Perhaps the league should start fining the organization.

$1M cap space fine for every illegal hit resulting in injury and suspension.
Agreed, the league has to do something to make the organizations
accountable.

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10-27-2007, 05:20 PM
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You people do know that Jones wasn't skating in slowmo. Yes it was boarding but no intent to injure. That SAME FRICKING PLAY happens a billion times a year but THIS ONE ended badly.


I hope Patrice is okay, I really like the kid but there should be no suspension and there was ZERO intent to injure.
agreed this was not Jones intent but that should not exempt him from a suspension, he made a bad decision period.

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Finally saw it and I call that dirty. Bergeron didn't at any time turn in any direction that would give partial fault to him like the hit on Mathew Roy. Jones had him lined up for 10+ feet.
Or he was doing his job as a defencemen and covering his man? Trying watching hockey a little.

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Tough play to watch, both players skated into the boards at full stride. What makes it a bad play was the Randy had about 10+ feet to decide whether he would hit. The whole time Bergeron had his back to him. Had Begeron go into the boards then at the very last second turned his back to Randyin which Randy already commited to a hit then itwould not be as bad of a play. Hope Berg is Ok...

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