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Dave Taylor's comments on the Palffy injury

This was a little Q&A at the bottom of the Palffy article at LAKings.com. I didn't notice it at first and probably someone else didn't notice it also so I'll post it here for highlight.

It reads, in relevant part:

Dave, is this your worst nightmare?
Dave: “Well, it certainly was bad news and it’s very tough for Ziggy as a person. He’s been a great player…we hope everything goes well and we get Ziggy ready for next season.”

Dave, how are you going to fill the void?
Dave: “I don’t know if we can, we don’t have a player who can step in. We’re going to have to play better as a team.”

Dave, have you heard a timetable (for Ziggy’s return)?
Dave: “I don’t have a firm timetable. The doctor might have a better idea after surgery. We expect it to be the off-season before Ziggy’s back.”

Does that mean you’re not going outside to fill the void?
Dave: “We’re always looking but we won’t mortgage our future. Our team will have to battle to overcome this, but we will continue to play hard.”

Dave, with all the injuries, is it the style, unbelievable bad luck or bad ice?
Dave: “Wish I could answer that. If you look at what happened, Ziggy was caught by surprise. It’s unfortunate. We’ve had a lot of injuries this season and last. We’ve looked closely at it but I think it’s just real bad luck.”


I read this as: start to play the kids and just hope for the best. If someohow they manage to pull off a miracle, then great. If not, then they'll get some good NHL experience and be that much more ready next season. I guess that's the best we can hope for with Straka going down tonight.

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Dave Taylor on Kings postgame show on the radio. I'll give details of what he said when it's over.

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Just went to break. This is what he's talked about so far:

Re: Roster Move
Kuznetsov cleared waivers. Make a roster move to fill Palffy's spot on Monday.

Re: who he looks for when calling up a player
A mix of things. Who's playing well and who will fill the role of the open roster spot. Likes to reward good player in Manchester

Re: Allison
The reports that Allison is healthy or near healthy are false. He's never been quite 100%, he's seeing a specialist, and there's not time table for his return.

Re: Resigning Palffy
Both sides would like to keep him in LA. Want to wait to see what the new CBA is going to be first.

Re: CBA
No definitive direction for the CBA. Kings have tried to develop youth because of the CBA uncertainty. Won't sign vets to long term contracts. Most teams do not have much money available. There is increased competition from Europe to lure talent but Europe still can't offer as much as NHL.

Re: Bringing in a defensman
Kings would love to add, but won't mortgage the future to add. Can take on a little salary, but not a long-term/high salary contract.

More to follow.

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More from DT...

Re: using insurance money to get (gulp!) Jamir Jagr
Only top 5 highest paid players covered by insurance. Not getting money from Deader's contract. Won't collect from policy on Palffy until he's missed 30 games. Used some of it to get Straka. Can't comment on Jagr (I presume because of tampering rules).

Re: (I didn't hear the question)
Have the players to win. Need to play better, need solid defense, need to improve special teams, need better goaltending.

Re: needing more defense
(See previous answer). Need to play better team defense.

Re: Organization's unwillingness to spend money and trade prospects to put a championship team on the ice
Payroll has doubled under the Kings management. However, it's not necessarily the team with the highest payroll wins. The teams that draft and develop the best are winning (Ottawa, Jersey, etc)

Re: injuries
Bottom line is they have to find a way to win. It is frustrating to lose players to injuries, but he sees it as an opportunity for young guys to gain experience and develop.

More to come.


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And DT continues...

Re: What are the Kings doing about the bad officiating?
Colin Campbell and Mike Murphy has a group that monitors EVERY game and rates the officials on their officiating. Not much else they can do.

Re: DT's input into the locker-room
Does not have much input. Talks to players on a one-on-one basis every now and then at Health South. Meets with the team about once a month. It's really AM's job.

Re: AM's line combinations & Frolov
AM debates the issue all the time. Has had success with Frolov on PK and in a defensive role (as with Belanger) against the opposition's top line and is sticking with the success. Has the ability to be a top 6 forward (duh!), would like to put him on a line with someone who could shoot so he can stay around the net and bang in rebounds. A little bit like Luc's style.

Re: What's head-manning the puck?
Getting the puck up to the man in front of you. Most effective with teams with speed.

Re: When and why would a team change it's minor league affilitate?
Kings did not have their own affiliate. They had an agreement with Lowell and Long Beach. One of the priorities of the Roski group was to develop their own AHL affiliate, so they purchased and brought in Mancheater as an expansion team in the AHL. Now own (I think he said own) Reading Royals of the ECHL, so they have the full chain of development for prospects.

Re: AM's status as coach
Thinks AM is a "heck of" a coach. Team comes to play each and every night. AM is intense and thorough and great at preparation (designing gameplans to win hockey games). Is "very happy" with AM and his staff.

That's it.

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Thanks Death from. Lost the signal when we got home in SCV. Some of those questions just make you cringe. Even my 17 year old daughter was laughing, and she's only semi-knowledgeable about the game. DT's head is really screwed on right. IMO

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Re: Jagr, he said he makes too much money over too many years and the Kings aren't interested in him.

Zherdev is much bigger than I realized.

We are going to really suck. I'll bet we trade a veteran for picks and prospects before it's all over.

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I'll bet we trade a veteran for picks and prospects before it's all over.
Just one?

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WOW! Good on ya for posting that mate. I don't get the kingtalk program and love to read this stuff.

Dave made a point that I would love to have asked him about regarding my boyfriend (seems so as often I am heralding him of late, sad) Frolov.

I have been going on about AM and the way he "uses" Frolov. Dave said that AM has had "success" with him playing on the defencive lines and in those roles and is scoring with players like Bellanger and the like. I can only say that if I were Dave Taylor (god help us all) that I would have to sit Andy down and straight out ask him WHY he uses Frolov in that manner when the lad has more than proven himself capable of being able to add great skill to our absolutely worst PP in forever and that if the kid IS (and he is) producing with our "energy" types, then why not REWARD his efforts?

That is what bunches my knickers the most on the thing. You have a GM and a coach who preach how they love to reward players for thier successes and yet, Frolov sees precious little PP time and precious little ice time with forwards of ANY significant talent. (Ziggy, Straka etc) Now, playing with another grinder like Klatt will always help as Klatt will find a way to park in front of the net and make the best of Frolov's hard work in the corners but, if you put him with a Straka or Palffy type you will get an actual Sniper to do something with the perimeter passes that the kid gets as well. Last night I saw several occasions where Frolov would work a miracle in the corner or behind the net to put the puck on an out of his game Ebell or a grinder in Lappy who weren't capable or ready (not his type of game really) of doing anything with it.

Then you look at the stats and Frolov ends up without a point and wanting for a shot at some scoring. How long will it take before the lad starts wondering why he is putting in the additional hard work for little reward or return? If his exceptional character since being here is any indicator then he will more than likely never stop his hard work but, like I said, I have heard Andy in person say that he favours rewarding players for their hard work and success. Well Andy, where is the reward bit for Frolov?

I am very happy that Stitch said that we won't morgage the future to save the present. We have allot of talent and moving Anshankov for Straka were a good move and all but, I don't think we could afford to make another move where we see one of our top prospects go to bring in a "veteran" talent for a couple of years. I would hate to see (and glad it won't happen) Grebeshkov,Pushkarov,Tambs,Camms,Petiot,Kanko etc moved to bring in Hamrlik for two season when he has said he wants to end his career elswhere. (just an example)

So thanks again mate and cheers for popping that bit on the boards. Brilliant. Nice to see a mod working hard at bringing us fans some quality programing.

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Is Cammy gonna get called up now? especially with Straka's injury?

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I guess we will know come Monday from what it said on Taylors report. He will be bringing up someone, I would think Camms would be the logical choice but thats me.

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...great work DFA! anyone knowe why Frolov didn't play last night (Saturday)?

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note: nevermind he did and had 5 shots...lol.


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Pirnes has been playing really well lately for Manchester... I would think it is between he and Cammy... or can they call them both up?

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I have been going on about AM and the way he "uses" Frolov. Dave said that AM has had "success" with him playing on the defencive lines and in those roles and is scoring with players like Bellanger and the like. I can only say that if I were Dave Taylor (god help us all) that I would have to sit Andy down and straight out ask him WHY he uses Frolov in that manner when the lad has more than proven himself capable of being able to add great skill to our absolutely worst PP in forever and that if the kid IS (and he is) producing with our "energy" types, then why not REWARD his efforts?
I also would like to see AM "reward" Frolov for his good play and development. But I guess one of three things is happening: 1.) AM considers PK time a "reward"; 2.) because Frolov's style around the net is so much like Luc's, it would be wrong to have them both on the #1 PP; or maybe Frolov is not working as hard in practice as AM thinks he should.

I'm sure AM is aware of the fan frustrations and has his reasons for using Frolov in that manner. I agree that Frolov deserves a "reward" of PP time, but until I hear AM's reasons for not doing so, I'll withhold my judgement. Remember, Belanger was terrible defensively and was put on the PK and defensive line while in the minors to force him to play better defense. Maybe AM is trying to teach Frolov defense because he knows the offense is there.

I don't think DT would just flat out go to AM and demand he play Frolov. That's just not the type of GM DT is and AM is too good of a coach to try to pull that kind of a powerplay (pun intended).

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Straiff mate, powerplay puns in a powerplay post, pisser.


I agree with your position on the bit where you say that until you hear Am's reasons you will with hold your judgement. I get a bit too emotional on the Frolov issue as I know he has the skills and we are always begging for another top line scoring threat and we have one that isn't being used properly by my take on our own team.

To address your positions...(or give it a shot anyway as I don't actually know what I am talking about)

IF AM is trying to teach Frolov defence then when has he proven he has learned it? He has lead our team other than Ziggy in +/- and been one of our best defencive forwards since he started with us. I would say that he has it pretty well down.

If the PK is a reward then I would agree with you, if we were talking about a defencive player like say Avery. If I were seeing Avery on the PK then I would say brilliant (had he earned it), that is how you reward a young defencive player, put him out on the PK showing you trust his defencive judgement. Since Frolov is an offencive player, the PP is the spot where he can score more points and thus hit his bonuses and make a real name for his self. I feel, that if he were one of our top six options for the entire season on the PP like every other player at his spot scoring at his clip is (go and have a peek at the espn stats for scoring, Frolov will amaze you all things considered) that he would have another 6 or 7 points or so more. (arbitrary but call it an educated guess) He isn't being used that way so it isn't happening.

Frolov is tied for second (with a few lads) in the league in PK points at 3. (two shorties and a helper) He and Ziggy are right scarry together there. Why wouldn't AM or anyone else think that the two of them wouldn't be magic on the PP?

I agree that having Luc and Frolov out at the same time would be a mistake as Luc is the lad who I would chose between the two on the PP at left wing all things considered. But, Frolov is NEVER considered or bloody well only as an afterthought, thats my issue.

I also would have to conceed to you on the practice issue. I have no idea how he practices. I can only say that when I did get to watch him he looked like he were working hard as anyone but, that were awhile ago and I have no idea now. I know that I have heard nothing to make me think he is dogging it and with the network we have available to us and our teams habbit of open practice I would have to believe that we would have heard something by now.

I believe in AM as a coach. I believe in his system as a sound x and o way to play the game. He actually, as I have written before, sat down with me at the starbucks at the Ralphs across from the hotel by the rink and talked about the Kings and hockey with me for the better part of an hour and I believe he is passionate and absolutely consumed with our success. I also see him as a great and personally uneffected man who is a fan of the fans.

All of those things aside, I am starting to be a bit critical of some of his coaching decisions. I am no expert though and happy that the experts make the calls, I just am a fan who has some questions.

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Re: Resigning Palffy
Both sides would like to keep him in LA. Want to wait to see what the new CBA is going to be first.
Doesn't the current CBA technically end AFTER July 1 (open signing date for UFA's)? Sounds like an agreement is needed before then, or at least an agreement to wait until the CBA is settled before signing.

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Doesn't the current CBA technically end AFTER July 1 (open signing date for UFA's)? Sounds like an agreement is needed before then, or at least an agreement to wait until the CBA is settled before signing.
Yeah, it ends Sept. 15, 2004.

Basically the RFA's the Kings want to keep will still need to qualified by June 30. If not, they will be free agents on July 1, even under ANY new CBA.

Hopefully, by June 30 the negotiations are far enough along for teams to begin make sound decisions on how their 04/05 team is going to look.

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Agree on the qualifying; anyone whose rights you want to retain, you would give a qualifying offer.

However, since we've seen Stanley Cup playoffs go into late May and early June, I can't imagine much progress is made before July 1. That means, come July 1, there is a whole new pool of Group III (and Group V) UFA's available to be signed. I'd expect the market to be slow, even slower than this past one, but things are gonna happen, and someone (other than the Kings) is going to throw an offer at Ziggy before any significant progress is made on understanding a new CBA.

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Agree on the qualifying; anyone whose rights you want to retain, you would give a qualifying offer.

However, since we've seen Stanley Cup playoffs go into late May and early June, I can't imagine much progress is made before July 1. That means, come July 1, there is a whole new pool of Group III (and Group V) UFA's available to be signed. I'd expect the market to be slow, even slower than this past one, but things are gonna happen, and someone (other than the Kings) is going to throw an offer at Ziggy before any significant progress is made on understanding a new CBA.
if it looks like there will be a season on 04/05, and Ziggy is NOT on the Kings.. Mr. Phil, Mr. Tim, and Mr. Dave will have a LOT of explaining to do. A LOT..

What is the problem with offering Ziggy 8 million per season for 3 seasons? Work from there. If he wants 4 years, fine. 5 years.. hmmm. maybe, maybe not..

And no, I do not want to hear about a HARD cap at $31 million, since that is NOT going to happen.

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Yes, the CBA is ste to expire on September 15, 2004.

However, the owners can start a lockout at any time. They can lockout the players the very next day after the Stanley Cup and don't need to wait until the CBA expires. Once there is a lockout, all league activities cease at the moment of lockout - including the necessity to tender qualifying offers.

Assuming in arguendo that there is not a lockout until after June 30, the qualifying offer need only be 1 year in length. I don't see too many teams being unable to make at least a qualifying offer.

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Pirnes and Barney were called up the Kings. Cammalleri got the shaft.

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Yes, the CBA is ste to expire on September 15, 2004.

However, the owners can start a lockout at any time. They can lockout the players the very next day after the Stanley Cup and don't need to wait until the CBA expires. Once there is a lockout, all league activities cease at the moment of lockout - including the necessity to tender qualifying offers.

Assuming in arguendo that there is not a lockout until after June 30, the qualifying offer need only be 1 year in length. I don't see too many teams being unable to make at least a qualifying offer.
Can they? Looking at the CBA Sec 7.1 states:

7.1. (a) Neither the NHLPA nor any player shall authorize,
encourage, or engage in any strike, work stoppage, slowdown or
other concerted interference with the activities of any Club or
of the League during the term of this Agreement. Nor shall any
player decline to play or practice or in concert with any other
person otherwise interfere with the activities of any Club or the
League, or individually or in concert encourage any other player
to do so because of picketing or a labor dispute involving any
other labor organization. The NHLPA shall not support or condone
any action of any player which is not in accordance with this
Section 7.01 and the NHLPA shall exert reasonable efforts to
induce compliance therewith.
(b) Neither the League nor any Club shall engage in a
lockout during the term of this Agreement.

It would appear that if the NHLPA wanted to, they could file a grievance with the NLRB, and if successful, all Group II FA's would then be free agents.

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Can they? Looking at the CBA Sec 7.1 states:

7.1. (a) Neither the NHLPA nor any player shall authorize,
encourage, or engage in any strike, work stoppage, slowdown or
other concerted interference with the activities of any Club or
of the League during the term of this Agreement. Nor shall any
player decline to play or practice or in concert with any other
person otherwise interfere with the activities of any Club or the
League, or individually or in concert encourage any other player
to do so because of picketing or a labor dispute involving any
other labor organization. The NHLPA shall not support or condone
any action of any player which is not in accordance with this
Section 7.01 and the NHLPA shall exert reasonable efforts to
induce compliance therewith.
(b) Neither the League nor any Club shall engage in a
lockout during the term of this Agreement.

It would appear that if the NHLPA wanted to, they could file a grievance with the NLRB, and if successful, all Group II FA's would then be free agents.
I stand corrected (it wouldn't be the first). I did not notice that this CBA has this clause in it. If that wasn't in there, then the NHL can lockout at any time.

But I know that companies have the right to close up shop anytime they want if there are legitimate business reasons and it can't be contracted away. I wonder how that would square with a clause like this? I guess it means the NHL can't lockout until the expiration of the CBA unless it is on the brink of bankruptcy.

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