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01-14-2004, 09:24 AM
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Dagenais??

Are there any teams that are interested in this guy, some fans hate him while others love him, jsut interested if nay other teams would give somehting up for him, the deal could be expanded??

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Are there any teams that are interested in this guy, some fans hate him while others love him, jsut interested if nay other teams would give somehting up for him, the deal could be expanded??

I don't think his value is very hugh anywhere else, he was on waivers a couple of times in the last few years. He is much more valuable to MTL than any players that Habs could get in return.

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I think it's quite simple. His only real asset is his goal scoring touch and his deadly shot. If he continues to produce he will stay with the Habs, but if not, I really don't see a lot of takers. Maybe for a very high draft pick, but I don't think his trade value is high and that's because he's way too one dimensional.

So, he has to score to be useful, and if he keep on going he'll stay with the Habs, or else I think a good career in the AHL with call-ups here and there.

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I think it's quite simple. His only real asset is his goal scoring touch and his deadly shot. If he continues to produce he will stay with the Habs, but if not, I really don't see a lot of takers. Maybe for a very high draft pick, but I don't think his trade value is high and that's because he's way too one dimensional.

So, he has to score to be useful, and if he keep on going he'll stay with the Habs, or else I think a good career in the AHL with call-ups here and there.

I agree but he did impress me yesterday with his forward checking and his pass on Ribeiro goal.

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01-14-2004, 12:02 PM
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Are there any teams that are interested in this guy, some fans hate him while others love him, jsut interested if nay other teams would give somehting up for him, the deal could be expanded??
Pierre Dagenais? He carries no value what-so-ever. I'm not a big fan of his, but he's contributing offensively right now...as long as he keeps scoring at a roughly 25 goal pace (per season), then i'm ok with him on the 2nd line.

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I agree but he did impress me yesterday with his forward checking and his pass on Ribeiro goal.
It's good to see him learning different parts of the game, if that's the case.

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Why trade him, he is one of your better offensive players. He and Ribeiro are gold together. Montreal would be crazy to trade a 6`5 RW that can score.

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Why trade him, he is one of your better offensive players. He and Ribeiro are gold together. Montreal would be crazy to trade a 6`5 RW that can score.
Agreed.

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IMO, Dagenais is playing better than what was advertised. There is no incentive to move him.

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Why trade him, he is one of your better offensive players. He and Ribeiro are gold together. Montreal would be crazy to trade a 6`5 RW that can score.
Because when it comes down to the playoff stretch, you want dimensional players that can play the game even if they're not scoring. Every player goes through a dry spell when they can't score a goal, and when Dagenais reaches that stage he'll be entirely useless.

Regardless, I think all teams realize this and his value would be next to nil, so there would be little point in dealing him.

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Dagenais isn't all that bad a player, I don't know who you are watching.

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01-15-2004, 12:28 PM
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Right, Dagenais' a fine second liner. That's why he's been waived multiple times.

He has a big shot and a good amount of sense to get into scoring positions. He has chemistry with Ribeiro, but he's a terrible skater. Not only in terms of speed, but also strength on his skates. As such, he can't deliver bodychecks. He pushes players, but can't check. He does try though, which is good of him. Due to his speed, he has trouble playing up tempo hockey games, and really struggles in the transition game.

If Dagenais is caught down low or around the slot offensively while the opposition is in transition offense, then he struggles to get back into the play. This has hurt Montreal a number of times as they can't set up the trap in the neutral zone, and the opposition gains easy access into the Habs zone.

Dagenais is as much of a one-trick pony as there is. He's tried hard which is nice, but his skills just aren't there when it comes to stickhandling or passing. He has a hard time feeding the puck to Zednik (his linemate with Ribeiro), and more often than not he fails. If you watch him on Montreal's second PP (only time he's on the ice without Ribeiro), he coughs up the puck more often than not even when he's not pressured.

I don't want to be too hard on the guy because he does score goals, and he's got a heck of a shot. But there's more to being a quality forward than a good shot, and when he goes cold I'd be surprised if he remains in the lineup.

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The guy is close to the top of your team in PPG, why the hell would you get rid of that. You are way to wacked out on defense, you need offense to wins games also.

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Right, Dagenais' a fine second liner. That's why he's been waived multiple times.

He has a big shot and a good amount of sense to get into scoring positions. He has chemistry with Ribeiro, but he's a terrible skater. Not only in terms of speed, but also strength on his skates. As such, he can't deliver bodychecks. He pushes players, but can't check. He does try though, which is good of him. Due to his speed, he has trouble playing up tempo hockey games, and really struggles in the transition game.

If Dagenais is caught down low or around the slot offensively while the opposition is in transition offense, then he struggles to get back into the play. This has hurt Montreal a number of times as they can't set up the trap in the neutral zone, and the opposition gains easy access into the Habs zone.

Dagenais is as much of a one-trick pony as there is. He's tried hard which is nice, but his skills just aren't there when it comes to stickhandling or passing. He has a hard time feeding the puck to Zednik (his linemate with Ribeiro), and more often than not he fails. If you watch him on Montreal's second PP (only time he's on the ice without Ribeiro), he coughs up the puck more often than not even when he's not pressured.

I don't want to be too hard on the guy because he does score goals, and he's got a heck of a shot. But there's more to being a quality forward than a good shot, and when he goes cold I'd be surprised if he remains in the lineup.
Very well said. For what its worth, i completely agree.

Dagenais is most certainly a "one trick pony". Thankfully he's performing that trick pretty well right now. I can live with Dagenais as long as he's scoring at a 25+ goal per season rate...but if Dagenais starts to slip, and his effort wains, then i wouldn't hesitate to get rid of him. After all Jozef Balej is currently tearing up the AHL and just waiting for his 1st crack at the NHL...My guess is that Dagenais is well aware of this situation, and that should be motivation enough for him to keep going at 100%, at least for the rest of this season.

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Very well said. For what its worth, i completely agree.

Dagenais is most certainly a "one trick pony". Thankfully he's performing that trick pretty well right now. I can live with Dagenais as long as he's scoring at a 25+ goal per season rate...but if Dagenais starts to slip, and his effort wains, then i wouldn't hesitate to get rid of him. After all Jozef Balej is currently tearing up the AHL and just waiting for his 1st crack at the NHL...My guess is that Dagenais is well aware of this situation, and that should be motivation enough for him to keep going at 100%, at least for the rest of this season.
Have you seen him play?

He will for sure be a 30-40 goal scorer someday, he can only get better...
He has one of the hardest and most accurate shots in the league!

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Pierre was great all around with us. It was stupid to lose him on waivers to Florida, but at the same time LOU knows all. Glad to see he's scoring.

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Have you seen him play?

He will for sure be a 30-40 goal scorer someday, he can only get better...
He has one of the hardest and most accurate shots in the league!
I hope you're still around to defend that statement after next season. But I doubt it...

I back Mike8 and Patty Roy's comments fully.

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Have you seen him play?

He will for sure be a 30-40 goal scorer someday, he can only get better...
He has one of the hardest and most accurate shots in the league!
Having seen him in several stints with FL, he won't be able to score 30 goals unless he improves his skating. Since he really has to be standing still (camped in front of the net or waiting in the slot for an opportunity to shoot) to be effective, he isn't going to be a 30 goal scorer in this league, no matter how accurate your shot is.

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