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11-05-2007, 08:32 PM
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Wilson can score and plays Nolan style full-effort d. I'd think Teddy would give him quality minutes. That said, he and Coffey aren't ideal together, especially with the lack of puck movement from a legit #3 d-man. Iafrate simply isn't reliable enough to handle more than occasional duty.

Paul Coffey - Adam Foote
Doug Wilson - Dave Burrows
Al Iafrate - Petr Svoboda
That is what I had before, but the third pairing of Svoboda and Iafrate scares me. I think if I limited their minutes, this could really work, especially with Iafrate getting a lot of powerplay time, and Svoboda getting some good PK minutes. Very good point on splitting up Coffey and Wilson too, thanks VanI.

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11-05-2007, 08:38 PM
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We've already got a few reviews...but I'll post our lineup here for anyone else kind enough to give us more feedback:


Winnipeg Jets

Coach: Lester Patrick

#4 Aurel Joliat - #16 Pat LaFontaine - #68 Jaromir Jagr
#20 Luc Robitaille - #15 Bobby Smith - #7 Rod Gilbert
#17 Don McKenney - #37 Mike Peca - #12 Duane Sutter
#22 Jay Pandolfo - #21 John Madden - #11 Ryan Walter
#96 Thomas Holmstrom

#18 Serge Savard - #6 Phil Housley
#3 Ken Daneyko - #19 Terry Harper
#44 Graham Drinkwater - #8 Barclay Plager
#23 Mathieu Schneider

#30 Martin Brodeur
#27 Ron Hextall
#1 Kirk McLean

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11-05-2007, 08:46 PM
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11-05-2007, 08:49 PM
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We've already got a few reviews...but I'll post our lineup here for anyone else kind enough to give us a but more feedback:


Winnipeg Jets

Coach: Lester Patrick

#4 Aurel Joliat - #16 Pat LaFontaine - #68 Jaromir Jagr
#20 Luc Robitaille - #15 Bobby Smith - #7 Rod Gilbert
#17 Don McKenney - #37 Mike Peca - #12 Duane Sutter
#22 Jay Pandolfo - #21 John Madden - #11 Ryan Walter
#96 Thomas Holmstrom

#18 Serge Savard - #6 Phil Housley
#3 Ken Daneyko - #19 Terry Harper
#44 Graham Drinkwater - #8 Barclay Plager
#23 Mathieu Schneider

#30 Martin Brodeur
#27 Ron Hextall
#1 Kirk McLean
Luc as a second line player totally blows my mind and is contrary to how second liners are usually conceived. Are you gonna line match him against the opposition's top right winger? And wouldn't Lucky Luc and LaFontaine weave magic together? Patty and JJ are plenty physical enough to handle themselves. Joliat seems more second line material.

But maybe your lines will be used differently than often conceived. In that case, indicate how so. (my coach Shero, for example, breaks convention)

Drafting Pandolfo is a bad idea in an all-time context except for the obvious chemistry he has with Madden makes it a stroke of genius and a great penalty killing duo. Nice.

Holmstrom and Schneider are sitting exactly where they deserve to sit: on the bench, as offensive fill-ins, specialists. Excellent choices strategically.

Captain Kirk is not an ideal third goalie especially on a team where Brodeur will log heavy minutes. McLean has said he needs work to get into his game, can be a bit cold coming off the bench or starting a season. He gets better and better with a workload. But we can assume that he will be sent down to a minor league and called up if needed, and in such a case he provides depth even if it doesn't seem necessary behind workhorse healthy Brodeur.

An extra centre to cover for injury-prone Peca and Lafontaine might have been a good idea.


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11-05-2007, 09:13 PM
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Luc as a second line player totally blows my mind and is contrary to how second liners are usually conceived. Are you gonna line match him against the opposition's top right winger? And wouldn't Lucky Luc and LaFontaine weave magic together? Patty and JJ are plenty physical enough to handle themselves. Joliat seems more second line material.
It depends. More common nowadays, with the 22-man lineup, to see the 3rd line being the checking line.

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11-05-2007, 09:21 PM
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It depends. More common nowadays, with the 22-man lineup, to see the 3rd line being the checking line.
you won't have a third line out every time the opposition's top line is out there, will you?

This is common:

1st line offense
2nd line two way, offensive oriented
3rd line two way, defensive oriented
4th line checking or rookies or role players or w.h.y.

two offensive-oriented lines, two defensive oriented lines

usually ONE of the top two lines has some defensive ability to go along with their offensive skill and thus are thrown out against the opposition's top line REGULARLY (of course the third line if shutdown skilled is put out there IN CERTAIN GAME SITUATIONS or certain defensive-oriented strategies)

ideal first liners: Gretzky, Lafleur, Robitaille
ideal second liners: Messier, Francis, Joliat

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11-05-2007, 09:23 PM
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Luc as a second line player totally blows my mind and is contrary to how second liners are usually conceived. Are you gonna line match him against the opposition's top right winger? And wouldn't Lucky Luc and LaFontaine weave magic together? Patty and JJ are plenty physical enough to handle themselves. Joliat seems more second line material.
Isn't a line match-up whatever the coach wants? I know I'll be posting specific line matches once we get to the playoffs, and would assume every GM would customize match-ups.

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11-05-2007, 09:27 PM
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you won't have a third line out every time the opposition's top line is out there, will you?
I won't have any problems with my 1st playing the opponent's 1st roughly 94% of the time, the 6% being actually for two very specific teams.

But I wouldn't have any problems with my 3rd either.

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11-05-2007, 09:46 PM
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#7 Keith Tkachuk #27 Darryl Sittler-#22 Mike Bossy
#10 Gary Roberts-#13 Mats Sundin-#22 Rick Vaive
#17 Ilya Kovalchuk -#11 Bill Hay -#18 Jim Pappin
#14 Geoff Courtnall-#16 Murray Oliver-#16 Leo Labine
#25 Peter Zezel

#2 Al MacInnis - #20 Gary Suter
#20 Jimmy Thomson--#21 Borge Salming
#3 Zdeno Chara -#15 Tomas Kaberle
#26 Mike Milbury

#20 Ed Belfour
#35 Mike Richter
#30 Mike Vernon


knock yourselves out


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#7 Keith Tkachuk #27 Darryl Sittler-#22 Mike Bossy
#10 Gary Roberts-#13 Mats Sundin-#22 Rick Vaive
#17 Ilya Kovalchuk -#11 Bill Hay-#16 Leo Labine
#14 Geoff Courtnall-#16 Murray Oliver-#18 Jim Pappin
#25 Peter Zezel

#2 Al MacInnis - #20 Gary Suter
#20 Jimmy Thomson--#21 Borge Salming
#3 Zdeno Chara -#15 Tomas Kaberle
#26 Mike Milbury

#20 Ed Belfour
#35 Mike Richter
#30 Mike Vernon


knock yourselves out
Very short comment, as I am preparing a review for all the teams...
SWITCH PAPPIN AND LABINE!!!

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11-05-2007, 09:49 PM
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Hopefully I have time for a detailed review later, but I definitely agree with GBC's comments about Amonte. Despite Amonte's excellent (underrated) skating ability, he wasn't a very good defensive player. I don't see him having the natural instincts of a shutdown player. I suppose he could adopt a more defensive role to suit the team's needs, but there's no evidence of that in real life.

I looked over the numbers and Amonte actually got a decent amount of ice time on the PK in Chicago, but I believe that's more due Chicago's lack of depth up front. (Amonte was also a good SHG threat, and therefore got some PK time, but the same is true of Bondra and Dionne who were weak defensive players).

Your team has a lot of great offensive forwards. I don't think that the few extra goals Amonte could score (in limited ice time) is worth hurting a potentially great two-way fourth line. You're better off putting Dunderdale (small, but incredibly tough and energetic) on the checking line and keeping Amonte as a spare forward (to be used on the powerplay or if you're badly outmatched offensively), much like what I've done with Turgeon.

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11-05-2007, 09:51 PM
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HALIFAX RCAF

Co-GMs: raleh and God Bless Canada
Coach: Tommy Ivan
Captain: George Armstrong
Alternate Captain: Ray Bourque
Alternate Captain: Max Bentley
Alternate Captain: Keith Primeau

Doug Bentley-Max Bentley-Cam Neely
Dennis Hull-Buddy O'Connor-Dave Taylor
Esa Tikkanen-Keith Primeau-George Armstrong
Kirk Maltby-Doug Risebrough-Bobby Schmautz
Craig Simpson

Ray Bourque-Allan Stanley
Ted Green-Gus Mortson
Wally Stanowski-Jamie Macoun
Bob Dailey
Normand Rochefort

Johnny Bower
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Very short comment, as I am preparing a review for all the teams...
SWITCH PAPPIN AND LABINE!!!


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11-05-2007, 09:58 PM
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We've already got a few reviews...but I'll post our lineup here for anyone else kind enough to give us more feedback:


Winnipeg Jets

Coach: Lester Patrick

#4 Aurel Joliat - #16 Pat LaFontaine - #68 Jaromir Jagr
#20 Luc Robitaille - #15 Bobby Smith - #7 Rod Gilbert
#17 Don McKenney - #37 Mike Peca - #12 Duane Sutter
#22 Jay Pandolfo - #21 John Madden - #11 Ryan Walter
#96 Thomas Holmstrom

#18 Serge Savard - #6 Phil Housley
#3 Ken Daneyko - #19 Terry Harper
#44 Graham Drinkwater - #8 Barclay Plager
#23 Mathieu Schneider

#30 Martin Brodeur
#27 Ron Hextall
#1 Kirk McLean
I love Joliat on your first line. I think he has everything you want in a player except for size, but Jagr is a monster on the other side. Lafontaine is, by comparison, a weak link on the line, and is probably one of the weakest first-line centers in the draft. Your second line seems appropriate and a guy like Robitaille makes it more skilled than it even needs to be. I like the third line, except Peca is miscast. Looking at the guy's skill set, he's gotta be a 4th liner in the ATD. Your 4th line is great defensively and also won't hurt you with penalties, but I question if Madden and Pandolfo have anything in the way of ATD upside.

Savard is obviously a good choice, but I'd never give Housley top-pairing minutes in this format. He's gonna get eaten alive by any highly skilled line that can forecheck at all. Not a fan of Daneyko from an ATD standpoint. He has nothing in the way of puck skills, and he wasn't really an elite defensive guy like a Ken Morrow or Jimmy Watson, he was just a guy who was your basic stay at home defenseman. I wouldn't even put him on the same level as a Macoun or Jason Smith. If played at all, he needs to be on the 3rd pairing. If it were me, I might put Schneider in, to provide the puck skills that aren't exemplary on the 2nd and 3rd pairings.

In goal, Brodeur is in the top 1/3 for starters, but wasn't the greatest value for when you got him. But that said, if he was the guy you wanted, it was then or never. Hextall is a fair backup with some fire, and he has sat for long periods before. I don't understand McLean being here, when you have Brodeur who can play 70+ games. You, of all GM's, should not be concerned with having a 3rd goalie. An assistant coach or second spare forward would have served you better.

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11-05-2007, 10:00 PM
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Your team has a lot of great offensive forwards. I don't think that the few extra goals Amonte could score (in limited ice time) is worth hurting a potentially great two-way fourth line. You're better off putting Dunderdale (small, but incredibly tough and energetic) on the checking line and keeping Amonte as a spare forward (to be used on the powerplay or if you're badly outmatched offensively), much like what I've done with Turgeon.
Wayne Merrick isn't a bad option, either.
However, can Merrick play RW? We assume Dunderdale can (he was a rover at some point), but ultimately, Merrick wouldn't change the line modus operandi that much, as Dunderdale would.

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#7 Keith Tkachuk #27 Darryl Sittler-#22 Mike Bossy
#10 Gary Roberts-#13 Mats Sundin-#22 Rick Vaive
#17 Ilya Kovalchuk -#11 Bill Hay -#18 Jim Pappin
#14 Geoff Courtnall-#16 Murray Oliver-#16 Leo Labine
#25 Peter Zezel

#2 Al MacInnis - #20 Gary Suter
#20 Jimmy Thomson--#21 Borge Salming
#3 Zdeno Chara -#15 Tomas Kaberle
#26 Mike Milbury

#20 Ed Belfour
#35 Mike Richter
#30 Mike Vernon


knock yourselves out

Roberts is a little miscast for the second line... I know I have Clark on my first line, but it needed grit. With Sittler and Vaive, you have bigger guys who won't get intimidated easily already... may as well have given them some more skill to work with, like Kovalchuk. At least he might make a fan out of Imlach that way. If you did that, you'd have an appropriate, although below average, 3rd line. I think your 4th line is OK but Courtnall doesn't belong there. Not the right skill set. I'd make him a first-liner in the minor league draft though.

On defense, are you sure you want to give Gary suter top-line minutes where he'll be badly outmatched? You have a much better defenseman on the second pairing... no naming names. The third pairing has puck ability and great balance with a guy who's great offensively, OK defensively, a passer, small, and fast, and a guy who's OK offensively, great defensively, a shooter, big, and slow.

In goal, Belfour is easily one of the weakest starting goalies (he's about 20th-23rd best) but you have drafted two backups who are about 90% as good as him. I wanted Vernon badly for a backup. Give your backup 35 games and you just might be alright there.

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I present to you, the Regina Wildhearts. go ahead guys...

Wendel Clark (A) - Nels Stewart - Marcel Dionne
Cy Denneny - Bernie Nicholls - Babe Dye
Dick Duff (A) - Joe Thornton - Steve Thomas
Ryan Smyth - Jamie Langenbrunner - Scott Mellanby

Nicklas Lidstrom (A) - Bobby Baun
Sergei Gonchar - Buck Boucher (C)
Jimmy Watson - Robert Svehla

Bill Durnan
John Ross Roach

extras:
Mike Ricci, F
Peter McNab, F
Dave Ellett, D

gm: seventieslord
coach: Lindy Ruff

forward lineup subject to change.

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HALIFAX RCAF

Co-GMs: raleh and God Bless Canada
Coach: Tommy Ivan
Captain: George Armstrong
Alternate Captain: Ray Bourque
Alternate Captain: Max Bentley
Alternate Captain: Keith Primeau

Doug Bentley-Max Bentley-Cam Neely
Dennis Hull-Buddy O'Connor-Dave Taylor
Esa Tikkanen-Keith Primeau-George Armstrong
Kirk Maltby-Doug Risebrough-Bobby Schmautz
Craig Simpson

Ray Bourque-Allan Stanley
Ted Green-Gus Mortson
Wally Stanowski-Jamie Macoun
Bob Dailey
Normand Rochefort

Johnny Bower
Hugh Lehman
I like the Bentleys together, obviously, but I won't be putting too much weight into chemistry. The best players will all find a way to play well together. Neely is a good fit with them. I like the 2nd line, although Dennis Hull might be a stretch. I really, really, really like the 3rd line. It's perfect. On the 4th line, you may be giving Maltby too much credit to think he can be effective in the ATD. I love him as a player in today's game too, but you may be asking too much of him.

On D, great first pairing. actually, looking at the 3rd and 4th pairings, I like them all, and Macoun is an ideal 3rd pairing player in the ATD. In goal, a proven winner in Bower that you didn't have to reach to get, and a solid backup who can play a few games a season.

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11-05-2007, 10:28 PM
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If someone would like to have a shot...


Dickie "Rental" Moore - Henri "Pocket Rocket" Richard - Maurice "Rocket" Richard
Bill "The Swan" Barber - Gordon "Duke" Keats - Glenn "Mork" Anderson
Bob "Hawk" Pulford - Dave "The True Magicien de Rouyn" Keon - Ron Ellis
Mel Bridgman - "Fiery" Phil Watson - Thomas Steen
Doug Weight

Bill "Quack" Quackenbush - Elmer "Moose" Vasko
Sergei "Zubie" Zubov - Clarence "Taffy" Abel
Wilfred "Bucko" McDonald - Phil Russell
Gary Bergman

Alex "The Fireman" Connell
Vladimir "Maco" Dzurilla
Bob Froese

Quick PP

Moore - Keats - mRichard - Zubov - Quackenbush
Anderson - hRichard - Steen - Barber - Russell (highly subject to change)

Quick PK

Pulford - Keon - Quackenbush - Vasko
Barber - Watson - Abel - McDonald
Bridgeman - Ellis - Quackenbush - Vasko
hRichard - Keon - Russell - McDonald

Subject to changes, too.

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And how the hell can Coffey NOT play the top powerplay unit?
Typing error on my part, I didn't even notice. I was watching the game while i was writing it up, so I was kind of distracted. That will definetely be fixed.

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A look at Halifax RCAF

Preamble: raleh and I wanted a team we could be proud of. In other words, we wanted a hard-working team loaded with two-way players who played a smart, aggressive game. We wanted strong coaching, and we knew we needed excellent goaltending. We believe we've found it. We aren't going to challenge Winnipeg, Gwinnett or Flin Flon for the goal scoring lead, but we can win a 4-3 or 5-4 type og game. We have two game-breakers up front (the Bentley's) and one on the blue-line (Bourque), a power forward who had dominant goal scoring ability (Neely) and a good collection of offensive ability from the second and third line, and from the defence.

FORWARDS

First line: It's been labelled the best built first line by a couple GMs already, and a former draft champion (HO) and a guy who actually watched the Bentley's play (pappy). I've always wanted the Bentleys. Max was one of the most dynamic offensive centres of all-time. He won three Cups, he scored at almost a point-per-game clip at a time when nobody did that, and he was remarkably during despite playing an offensively aggressive game in a rough-and-tumble time. Doug Bentley was our biggest steal of the draft. Max was a steal, Doug was an even bigger steal. Right up there with Busher Jackson, Aurel Joliat and Toe Blake for LWs in the 6-10 all-time classification. A speedster with terrific skill who was also very good defensively and a top-notch penalty killer. Cam Neely is another guy I've always wanted. More than a decade after his retirement, he remains the prototype for the modern power forward. He'll control the corners and the front of the net, and ensure that nobody takes liberties on the brothers. The perfect bookend for this line.

Second line: Buddy O'Connor was the guy raleh wanted for this line, so we're thrilled to get him. Anyone who scored a point-per-game from about 1946-47 to 1953-54 was a remarkable player. O'Connor did that in his Hart winning season in 1947-48. After landing O'Connor, there were two players I wanted for an RW: Dave Taylor and Pat Verbeek. We got Taylor. Best RW available at that point, a well-rounded player who can hit, muck in the corners, backcheck and convert Buddy's chances. We admit that Dennis Hull as a second line LW is a bit of a reach, but he had excellent skill and a bullet shot. And Dennis is fabulous for a locker room. Craig Simpson can fill in the second line LW role if Hull falters.

Third line: We wanted to fill out our winger spots early, since there isn't a lot to choose from, especially at RW. Tikkanen gives us a big LW who can do it all: backcheck, hit, score and aggravate. That last one is pretty important. His playoff performances elevated his status in our eyes, as we also really liked Ramsay and Dumart for that role. Armstrong was neck-and-neck with Larmer for the right wing spot. We went with Armstrong because of personality and leadership. Larmer was better offensively, they were equal defensively and physically, although Armstrong was bigger. Couldn't pass up Armstrong's leadership. Some might think that Primeau's better for the fourth line. We disagree. He's excellent defensively, a physical force, and very mobile for a big man. The perfect centre for this line, which will be extremely difficult to score against.

Fourth line: I wanted a fourth line that could skate, backcheck and hit. Any offensive contribution would be a bonus. We think we got that with Maltby-Risebrough-Schmautz. Maltby's offensive contributions will be minimal, but we all know what he's capable of while playing against the opposition's top line. Risebrough gives us good skating, excellent defensive play and an abrasive presence. Schmautz is easily the most offensively talented of this trio, and he's quick, tough and very reliable defensively. Clutch in the playoffs, too.

DEFENCE

I won't be writing a pairing-by-pairing breakdown of our defence, because the pairings aren't set yet. The only things we know is that Bourque will play a lot of minutes in every role imaginable, and Dailey and Rochefort are our No. 7 and 8 guys.

What more can we say about Bourque? Those who watched him know how special he truly is. Not many defencemen in this draft are both top 10 all-time offensively and defensively. At his peak, he was the best defensive defenceman in the world. His two best seasons, 1987 and 1990, are likely the best by a defenceman in the last 30 years. He only won one Cup, but he's top 10 all-time in post-season scoring.

The rest of our defence is going to be known for their versatility. Stanley was a big, defensively sound defenceman who could effectively advance the puck and quarterback the point with a good point shot. He wasn't quick, but he was positionally sound with good anticipation.

Don't underestimate Mortson and Stanowski's offensive ability. Both played at a time when defencemen put up points. Both were very good skaters who played aggressive offensively and confidently moved the puck. Mortson was a double-tough rearguard who led the NHL in PIMs four times. Stanowski was a terrific skater and a thundering hitter.

Green was another double-tough defenceman who worked hard to improve his skating and offensive ability. He became a good puck-mover while not compromising his defensive play or toughness. Green and Mortson will play important role as crease-crashers. Macoun is just solid. He's reliable in his own zone. He hits. He's not afraid to be dirty. Right Pat LaFontaine? He blocks shots. He moves the puck. A perfect No. 6.

Dailey gives our defence excellent size, good mobility for a big man, a physical presence and a good puck-mover. Rochefort's offfensive presence will be minimal, but he's terrific defensively and a very steady presence. Very similar to Brian Engblom.

GOALTENDING

With goaltending this good, who needs a No. 3? Bower was one of three or four goalies we targeted from the start, along with Parent, Smith and Broda. When Broda was picked, we set our sites on Bower. We felt he was the best combination of longevity, peak value, endurance and clutch play left on the board. We believe we also have the perfect team in front of him. Not only has he been reunited with old buddies Stanley and Armstrong, but Halifax has a lot of similarities to the Toronto Maple Leafs of the 60s: a very smart, hard-working team with excellent team concept that will shut opponents down, but can also put the puck in the net.

Lehman is a raleh favourite, and I knew our team would be incomplete without him. He's a terrific back-up, a 10-time all-star in the Western leagues, a Stanley Cup champion, an eight-time finalist. He also led the league in minutes played in his first NHL season at age 41.

COACHING

Tommy Ivan was one of the guys we targeted from the start. Outside of the big three - Bowman, Blake and Arbour - he's in a group of five or six coaches worthy of consideration for the top five of all-time. Unlike contemporaries Imlach, Irvin and Day (all excellent coaches themselves), Ivan wasn't a screamer, a taskmaster or an intimidator. He was a brilliant strategist and a great hockey mind.

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Dickie "Rental" Moore - Henri "Pocket Rocket" Richard - Maurice "Rocket" Richard
Bill "The Swan" Barber - Gordon "Duke" Keats - Glenn "Mork" Anderson
Bob "Hawk" Pulford - Dave "The True Magicien de Rouyn" Keon - Ron Ellis
Mel Bridgman - "Fiery" Phil Watson - Thomas Steen
Doug Weight

Bill "Quack" Quackenbush - Elmer "Moose" Vasko
Sergei "Zubie" Zubov - Clarence "Taffy" Abel
Wilfred "Bucko" McDonald - Phil Russell
Gary Bergman

Alex "The Fireman" Connell
Vladimir "Maco" Dzurilla
Bob Froese

Quick PP

Moore - Keats - mRichard - Zubov - Quackenbush
Anderson - hRichard - Steen - Barber - Russell (highly subject to change)

Quick PK

Pulford - Keon - Quackenbush - Vasko
Barber - Watson - Abel - McDonald
Bridgeman - Ellis - Quackenbush - Vasko
hRichard - Keon - Russell - McDonald

Subject to changes, too.
Your top line is perfect, but it caused you to have to scrape the middle of the barrel for top defensemen, and your starting goalie too. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Anderson is a guy I targeted for his grit, speed, and playoff ability, but you took him sooner than I would have taken him. I am stunned that you are so deep at forward that you have Keon on a third line. I think he's a top 2nd-liner, or even a stretch for the first line. I wanted him to balance out Nels Stewart, but you got him before I could. Steen plays a good two-way game, but is too soft for a 4th line. I like the other two though! On D, you managed to get a #2 guy as your #1, then a bunch of guys who can be #4-6. After Zubov and Quackenbush, who will rush the puck? Your second PP unit even has 4 forwards for this reason, I imagine. I wonder what the other GMs are going to see more: how elite your forwards are, or how mediocre your D is. That said, your D can play D, so if your forwards can make up for their offensive shortcomings, you will be alright.

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I like the Bentleys together, obviously, but I won't be putting too much weight into chemistry. The best players will all find a way to play well together. Neely is a good fit with them. I like the 2nd line, although Dennis Hull might be a stretch. I really, really, really like the 3rd line. It's perfect. On the 4th line, you may be giving Maltby too much credit to think he can be effective in the ATD. I love him as a player in today's game too, but you may be asking too much of him.

On D, great first pairing. actually, looking at the 3rd and 4th pairings, I like them all, and Macoun is an ideal 3rd pairing player in the ATD. In goal, a proven winner in Bower that you didn't have to reach to get, and a solid backup who can play a few games a season.
I agree that some GMs overweight chemistry. It's a big difference maker early in the season, but as the season rolls along, it becomes less and less of a factor, since players on other teams are gaining chemistry. But it still gives you that nice head start.

We also have good chemistry with Bower, Stanley and Armstrong, and Bourque and Neely. That chemistry is important, too.

We agree that Hull for the second line LW might be a stretch, but that's why we picked Simpson. Simpson was especially effective in the playoffs.

I think Maltby's a good fourth line LW for what we were looking for: a player with good size, very good skating, hockey sense, excellent defensive ability and penalty killing, and a physical presence. Ideally, we'd get someone with a little more offensive ability, but Maltby brings the other things we want. There were a few other guys we wanted. Simpson wasn't good enough defensively, although he will play in that role if we need him to. Ab McDonald wasn't physical enough. Tiger Williams wasn't fast enough or good enough defensively. There was one other player on our list, who brought the pre-requisite speed, skill, hockey sense, physical play, work ethic and defensive awareness, but he's undersized, and we already had one undersized forward (Schmautz) on our fourth line.

Our D corps, as we said in our self-evaluation, is in flux. We haven't finalized our pairings. It's very versatile, very similar to the defence that pit had in the last draft.

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Coach: Teddy Nolan

#33 Patrick Roy
#1 Dave Kerr

#7 Paul Coffey (A)-#52 Adam Foote
#24 Doug Wilson (A)-#4 Dave Burrows
#43 Al Iafrate-#23 Petr Svoboda

#11 Joe Malone-#10 Dale Hawerchuk (A)-#8 Teemu Selanne
#6 Ace Bailey-#7 Neal Broten-#7 Joe Mullen
#17 Tomas Sandstrom-#14 Kent Nilsson-#12 Hakan Loob
#9 Adam Graves (C)-#9 Dan Bain-#92 Rick Tocchet (A)

#39 Brian Skrudland, #15 Goldie Prodgers, #4 Barry Ashbee


PP1: Malone-Hawerchuk-Selanne-Coffey-Iafrate
PP2: Bailey-Broten-Mullen-Foote-Wilson
PK1: Bain-Graves-Wilson-Burrows
PK2: Broten-Tocchet-Svoboda-Foote


I was able to put my forward lines together pretty easily, with only some minor changes in view, depending on my opponent. However, I'm having a little trouble figuring out my D pairings. Can't seem to find something that works.
In goal, you have the greatest goalie of all-time, and you got him after one other goalie was picked... so, Kudos. As a backup, you have a guy I targeted (and accidentally picked) so you don't need me to tell you how I feel about that one.

Your first line may be below-average. On second thought, it is average. I like Hawerchuk, the passer, with the two shooters, however, it's too bad you couldn't have upgraded on one of the three because it could have been elite. The 2nd line is appropriate; however, Broten is a bottom of the barrel 2nd-line center. I'm not so sure about the 3rd line's defensive ability, although it will have more talent than most, if not all, 3rd lines. Two warriors like Tocchet and Graves on the 4th line mean you can truly roll 4 lines. I wanted Graves too. You got good value on that pick.

On D, Coffey is obviously a great #1, and Foote provides balance with him, but he's not elite or mobile enough for that first pairing. Wilson is a great value as a 2nd-pairing D. Iafrate has perhaps the best set of physical tools on any defenseman in history, but will he put it all together?

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Clippers Self-Evaluation

Coach: Hap Day
Captain: Hap Day
Alternate Captains: Bobby Orr and Lionel Hitchman

Sweeney Schriner - Joe Primeau - Charlie Conacher
Kevin Stevens - Frank Nighbor - Ed Litzenberger
Dean Prentice - Cooney Weiland - Bobby Rousseau
Hec Kilrea - Glen Skov - Eric Nesterenko
Camille Henry

Bobby Orr - Brad McCrimmon
Lionel Conacher - Hap Day
Viktor Kuzkin - Lionel Hitchman
Gilles Marotte

Clint Benedict
Tom Barrasso
Viktor Konovalenko

Strengths

Synergy through the roster: I feel, like last time, that I have a team that reflects the type of team that Hap Day can build to maximize their potential.

-Playmaking , offensively creative and extremely defensively responsible top-2 centers in Primeau and Nighbor.
-Big, strong top-6 wingers - Conacher, Stevens and Litzenberger were all very big men in their day, while Schriner was of slightly above average size and was actually a part of 2 of Day’s Leafs’ Stanley Cup wins.
-A good collection of defensive two-way forwards throughout the entire bottom six.
-A strong collection of defensive defensemen - Orr, Conacher, Day, McCrimmon and Hitchman were all very good to excellent defensively.
-A very good goaltender in Benedict (personally I feel he’s in the top-10 between about 8-10, but at worst he’s in the top half of goalies), as well as depth with Barrasso and Konovalenko.

Day is one of the best defensive coaches of all-time and I feel that we’ve given him the defensively oriented personnel that he can excel with playing a defensive orientated.

Defensive Balance: Overall, I’m very happy with the defense I’ve been able to put together. Orr is the best ever, Conacher could be a #1 guy in a 28 team draft, Day and McCrimmon are good #3/4 while I feel that Hitchman could be a #4 guy. Kuzkin is an adequate #6 playing minimal minutes and acting as a PP specialist. I also feel that we've put together a good mix of offense and defense from the back end as well as a good share of physicality.

Scoring Depth: While my top-6 isn’t near the top in terms of offensive production (more on that later), we’re hoping to make that up with scoring depth from both our defense and third line. Orr gives us a game-breaker from the back end, something few teams can claim. Conacher was also very good offensively, finishing top-5 amongst defensemen on seven occasions while Day is also very underrated offensively, finishing amongst the top-5 six times. Kuzkin was a good offensive talent as well. As for the third line, Prentice, Weiland and Rousseau were all very offensively talented and were at or near the top of the league in scoring on several occasions through their careers.

Weaknesses

Top-6 Scoring: While overall I don’t feel it’s a huge deficiency, with some guys being above average at their respective positions, my top-6 isn’t one that is going to strike fear into opposing teams. Primeau is one of the weakest top line centers in the draft (though I do think that he’s better than his draft position reflects) while my second line isn’t at the same level of offensive dominance as many teams have.

Barrasso as a Backup: Barrasso’s attitude was definitely a concern for me when I selected him, but his talent relative to his draft position was undeniable. Grabbing Konovalenko hopefully mitigates the risk associated with Barrasso’s selection, since I feel that Konovalenko is a competent backup and we can send Barrasso to the pressbox/home if he starts to pull his crap when the playoffs come around.

Size on the Third Line: Like last draft, my third line is focussed on two-way ability – strong offensive creativity and defensive ability – and speed. They should be a handful for many top lines, hopefully keeping them honest. The only issue that comes up is their relative lack of size, which may become an issue if they are matching up with a bigger and stronger team. In that case, I feel comfortable enough with my fourth line in a defensive role to pick up the slack. We also have the option to move players up from the fourth line to add some size to that line.

Steals

Sweeney Schriner at 172: Schriner is an above average top line LW, and to get one at that point is very good value, IMO.

Joe Primeau at 187: I think Primeau should go closer to Ratelle and Cowley than Niewendyk and Savard personally. He led the league in assists three times, was very good defensively and didn't shy away from contact.

Lionel Hitchman at 396: I think Hitchman is a viable option for a top-4 defenseman in a 28 team draft, so to get him at that point as a #5 guy was great.

Too Early

Kevin Stevens at 225: At the time, I was very worried about adding more size and physical play in my top-6 because I was worried about Nighbor's relative lack of size. To do so, though, I gave up the opportunity to have a more offensively dynamic second line that a guy like Yakushev or Mosienko could have brought.

Cooney Weiland at 421: While I think that Weiland was a good value pick at that point, what I gave up to get him (Finnigan) wasn't worth it. I would have settled for a guy like Laprade if it meant I could have had Finnigan as well.

If anyone else wants to tackle a review, I'd appreciate it.

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