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11-05-2007, 10:04 PM
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Who was better ? and give your reason.

Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux ?

Dale Hawerchuk or Pat Lafontaine ?

Brett Hull or Bobby Hull ?

Mark Messier or Paul Coffey ?

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11-05-2007, 10:13 PM
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Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux ?

Dale Hawerchuk or Pat Lafontaine ?

Brett Hull or Bobby Hull ?

Ray Bourque or Paul Coffey ?

Mark Messier or Steve Yzerman

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11-05-2007, 10:38 PM
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I wrote this article examining Gretzky vs. Lemieux, and I came to a very important conclusion when it comes to comparing players head to head. I'll let you read the article and see if you agree:

http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com...o-lemieux.html

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Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux ?

Gretzky. He played longer, won more awards, more Cups and had more tremendous playoff runs.

Dale Hawerchuk or Pat Lafontaine ?

Tougher. I think Hawerchuk had a long run of excellence in Winnipeg. He was so overlooked at the time. Lafontaine didn't start out as brilliant as Hawerchuk and when he did reach his peak he was a force but then he got injured.

Brett Hull or Bobby Hull ?

Bobby. No doubt about it. Brett was a sniper par excellence. Bobby was a complete hockey player and the best player probably in the world for quite a period. One could possibly debate who had a better shot or maybe who was a better goal scorer. The better player is very, very, very clearly Bobby.

Mark Messier or Paul Coffey ?

For their career I take Messier. Longer period of dominance. In their prime on the mid 1980's Oilers I think Coffey was the better player and more important to the Oilers than Kurri or Messier until he left. Even with Messier's Smythe. But Messier kept getting better and was awesome in the early-mid 1990's when Coffey was less effective than he was in Edmonton.

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Hawerchuk's prime and peak was during his time in Winnipeg. In Buffalo, he wasn't the same Hawerchuk when he was a Jet. No longer was there the 40+ goal scorer he's capable off, although his assists were still there...there wasn't that jump in him.

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Gretzky- He played longer and made more of an impact on the game than Mario.

Hawerchuck- He played longer and did not have the injury troubles Lafontaine had.

Bobby- Better player than his son, Bobby is often considered the greatest LW of all-time, never have I heard Brett considered the greatest RW of all-time.

Mark Messier- Messier was just a better all-around player than Coffey.

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Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux ?

Dale Hawerchuk or Pat Lafontaine ?

Brett Hull or Bobby Hull ?

Mark Messier or Paul Coffey ?
On Lemieux vs. Gretzky I pretty much agree with Joe's article about them.

I take Hawerchuk over LaFontaine because of his longiviety.

Bobby over Brett Hull by a big margin. Bobby was a dominant foward who ranks in the top-10 of basicly every all-time list. Brett was "just" an incredible goal scorer.

Coffey over Messier by the smallest possible margin , mainly due to the reason that I hate Mark Messier and think his leadership is a bit overrated. Coffey might have had some defensive concerns but he was so great to watch and he was a factor in every 190+ point season by Gretzky and Lemieux

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Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux ?
Gretzky. Lemieux had the better skill set, Gretzky just won championships and every imaginable award.

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Dale Hawerchuk or Pat Lafontaine ?
La-la-la-la-la-la-lafontaine. He could single-handedly control a game moreso than Hawerchuk. Not that I don't appreciate what Hawerchuk could do, but Lafontaine was even more explosive.

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Brett Hull or Bobby Hull ?
The Elder Hull. Not even a question.

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Ray Bourque or Paul Coffey ?
Bourque, for longevity, continued level of excellence, defensive play and leadership.

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Mark Messier or Steve Yzerman
Stevie Y. As much as Messier was a leader, his time in Vancouver showed that when he was disinterested he wasn't as much of an impact player. Stevie Y had some craptastic teams to play with in Detroit in his earlier years and he never ceased to produce.

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Hawerchuk's prime and peak was during his time in Winnipeg. In Buffalo, he wasn't the same Hawerchuk when he was a Jet. No longer was there the 40+ goal scorer he's capable off, although his assists were still there...there wasn't that jump in him.
There's a reason why Mogilny scored 76 goals. Hawerchuk was a big reason for that.

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There's a reason why Mogilny scored 76 goals. Hawerchuk was a big reason for that.
I would say Lafontaine's 95 assists had more to do with that, since Lafontaine actually centered Mogilny.

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Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux
Lemieux. I always considered him more talented than Gretzky, and I think that if he had been able to stay healthy throughout his career, he would've smashed a few of Gretzky's record. Mario's PPG average over his career was higher then Wayne's before his first retirement, and he played nearly every game with some sort of ailment. I'm not trying to undermine Gretzky, because Gretzky undoubtedly had the better career and won many more awards, but I just feel that Lemieux was a better player.

Dale Hawerchuk or Pat Lafontaine
Hawerchuk. Both were great, but Hawerchuk had five straight 100-point seasons (not including his 100 point rookie season), was a 500 goal scorer, and was a dynamic player for a really long time.

Brett Hull or Bobby Hull
Bobby. The greatest player in the world when he was playing

Mark Messier or Paul Coffey
Coffey. Really close though. Both were tremendous players. I'm kind of biased against Messier because he had a tendency to be dirty at times

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