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11-06-2007, 05:58 PM
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Like HE has any thing to do with the wins!! What'd he play, 2 minutes each game?!

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I personally think that Modin has everyone snowballed. I cringed when they resigned him to 2.75 million. He is big but doesn't play big, he is slow, he doesn't hit anyone, he doesn't play in front of the net, he isn't a particularly gifted passer, he doesn't beat anyone one-on-one, he is constantly injured, most of his goals last year came towards the end of the year when people were taking nights off against us and resting players or making tee times. I can't honestly remember him scoring a big game tying or game winning goal. He doesn't play on the PK nor does he participate in shootouts. So what does he do well outside of the supposed amazing leadership in the room???? He isn't awful in our own end and puts in the 5th goal in 5-2 victories or the 2nd goal late in a 5-2 loss. I think he is overpaid and would like to see him go and let Brassard join the lineup. The Zherdev-Nash-Peca line is rocking and when I hear Hitch say how he wants to put Modin there in place of a red hot Zherdev, I just cringe. I would rather have Jody Shelley in the lineup because they both skate the same speed and at least Jody will hit and fight.
Poor guy...gettin KILLED arnt ya? Ouch. May want to pick on somebody who is actually bad...or not worth the money...like Fedorov

Wonder if ca5150 could be Dumb MacLean making a visit to our boards? Never know. Same mentality.

Oh yea...and you can have whatever opinion you want...but man...just let us lavish in these wins for a while. Lets try to be positive...there is a lot of good things to say right now. Save the bashing for the seasons we suck. See any posts pre Howsen/Hitch and you will see what im talking about.

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... Lets try to be positive...there is a lot of good things to say right now. Save the bashing for the seasons we suck. See any posts pre Howsen/Hitch and you will see what im talking about.
And now here comes the Fedorov-love. Can't you feel it? It's on the way...
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OK I think we could agree that for the most part everyone thinks Modin has his place on this team. I find it humorous that many of us that have been here for a while know that ca5150 is known for stirring the pot. I have no problem with it because in many cases it generates good discussion. What I find funny about this thread is that he has not even posted in this thread since post 13 and we have spent 2 pages since then arguing with each other saying basically the same things (agreeing with each other but not realizing it). I would venture to say ca5150 if your intent with this thread was to see if the fans on this board would unite under fire if their team, which is now winning, was bashed you have your answer; even if they didn't realize they did it.
Thank you for recognizing what a message board is truly for, generating discussion. Perhaps it was a bit harsh to say he was a wasted roster spot but the thread would not have created the kind of discussion that I was looking for if I didn't make a "controversial statement." I agree with most that have pointed out his cycling and toughness on the puck, but I don't think his skills warrant a top line player at this point. 2nd or 3rd line at best. He seems to be very injury prone going back well into last year with his foot, groin, back, etc. I took a bit of offense to the thread about getting rid of Vyborny so my thread was in retaliation to that thread. To all that have questioned my hockey knowledge, I have played at every level through college and was a captain on most of my teams over 27 years. I haven't missed a Jackets game since their inception and I go so far as to burn every goal, hit, fight, save etc to dvd's for the past 3 seasons. So I believe I have analyzed their play more than most and I stand by my opinions. I welcome back a healthy Modin and at that point I will reconsider my opinions now that we have a more talented team. These boards are for opinions and it would be pretty damn boring if we all shared the same opinion.

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Thank you for recognizing what a message board is truly for, generating discussion. Perhaps it was a bit harsh to say he was a wasted roster spot but the thread would not have created the kind of discussion that I was looking for if I didn't make a "controversial statement." I agree with most that have pointed out his cycling and toughness on the puck, but I don't think his skills warrant a top line player at this point. 2nd or 3rd line at best. He seems to be very injury prone going back well into last year with his foot, groin, back, etc. I took a bit of offense to the thread about getting rid of Vyborny so my thread was in retaliation to that thread. To all that have questioned my hockey knowledge, I have played at every level through college and was a captain on most of my teams over 27 years. I haven't missed a Jackets game since their inception and I go so far as to burn every goal, hit, fight, save etc to dvd's for the past 3 seasons. So I believe I have analyzed their play more than most and I stand by my opinions. I welcome back a healthy Modin and at that point I will reconsider my opinions now that we have a more talented team. These boards are for opinions and it would be pretty damn boring if we all shared the same opinion.
Great response CA but the foot thing you can't blame him, he did block a rocket on that one plus played through most of the season. That shows how hockey is played to these kids who are still learning you get hurt live with it and figure out how to handle it. Look at Foote, same mentality, pain don't hurt.

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Thank you for recognizing what a message board is truly for, generating discussion. Perhaps it was a bit harsh to say he was a wasted roster spot but the thread would not have created the kind of discussion that I was looking for if I didn't make a "controversial statement." ... These boards are for opinions and it would be pretty damn boring if we all shared the same opinion.
You did a good job at provoking discussion. Now get busy and get another "controversy" thread ready for the next lull between wins, erm ... i mean "games."

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To me, it's kind of exciting to see the club off to a good start - and knowing that Vybes (whom the Dispatch referred to as 'a perennial slow starter') and Modin (bad rash of injuries) haven't really gotten their motors running yet.

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I personally think that Modin has everyone snowballed. I cringed when they resigned him to 2.75 million. He is big but doesn't play big, he is slow, he doesn't hit anyone, he doesn't play in front of the net, he isn't a particularly gifted passer, he doesn't beat anyone one-on-one, he is constantly injured, most of his goals last year came towards the end of the year when people were taking nights off against us and resting players or making tee times. I can't honestly remember him scoring a big game tying or game winning goal. He doesn't play on the PK nor does he participate in shootouts. So what does he do well outside of the supposed amazing leadership in the room???? He isn't awful in our own end and puts in the 5th goal in 5-2 victories or the 2nd goal late in a 5-2 loss. I think he is overpaid and would like to see him go and let Brassard join the lineup. The Zherdev-Nash-Peca line is rocking and when I hear Hitch say how he wants to put Modin there in place of a red hot Zherdev, I just cringe. I would rather have Jody Shelley in the lineup because they both skate the same speed and at least Jody will hit and fight.
I don't think even I would have said something like this. I too think Modin is a liability just because of injury, but he isn't a horrible, overpaid player. Brassard definitely deserves a look, but that is what we send Boll down for, not Modin.

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Thank you for recognizing what a message board is truly for, generating discussion. Perhaps it was a bit harsh to say he was a wasted roster spot but the thread would not have created the kind of discussion that I was looking for if I didn't make a "controversial statement." I agree with most that have pointed out his cycling and toughness on the puck, but I don't think his skills warrant a top line player at this point. 2nd or 3rd line at best. He seems to be very injury prone going back well into last year with his foot, groin, back, etc. I took a bit of offense to the thread about getting rid of Vyborny so my thread was in retaliation to that thread. To all that have questioned my hockey knowledge, I have played at every level through college and was a captain on most of my teams over 27 years. I haven't missed a Jackets game since their inception and I go so far as to burn every goal, hit, fight, save etc to dvd's for the past 3 seasons. So I believe I have analyzed their play more than most and I stand by my opinions. I welcome back a healthy Modin and at that point I will reconsider my opinions now that we have a more talented team. These boards are for opinions and it would be pretty damn boring if we all shared the same opinion.
Fair enough, but your description of Modin was so opposite of what he is it seemed like it was deliberate. Modin likely shouldn't be a top line player, but on our team he is one of the best forwards so that is where he plays. It will be nice when we get deep enough to have him playing 2nd or even third line but we are not there yet.

The Vyborny thread is a very legit thread. He is in the last year of his contract, has not been playing well and is at the back end of his career. Plus, he hasn't been performing that well to date and to question whether or not he should stay beyond this year is pretty reasonable and expected.

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I don't think even I would have said something like this. I too think Modin is a liability just because of injury, but he isn't a horrible, overpaid player. Brassard definitely deserves a look, but that is what we send Boll down for, not Modin.
Now you are REALLY trying to start something aren't you?

When Boll is on the ice, everyone notices. GlennX? Not so much. He has been given a bit of a chance here and has done very little. He will be the one to be send down, not Boll.

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Now you are REALLY trying to start something aren't you?

When Boll is on the ice, everyone notices. GlennX? Not so much. He has been given a bit of a chance here and has done very little. He will be the one to be send down, not Boll.
Agreed 100%. What Boll is good at is getting under the skin of the opposition - it gets them thinking about going after Boll for revenge vs. playing hockey against the Jackets. Most good teams have players who can get the opposition to focus on the wrong stuff, ie Jordin Tootoo, Ville Niemenin (sp?), etc. Hopefully Boll can continue to be that for us.

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Thank you for recognizing what a message board is truly for, generating discussion...........

Good on you for starting some discussion but you can't just make stuff up as if it were fact.

"He is big but doesn't play big"....I have been told the opposite of that from a few Stanley Cup and Olympic gold medal winning defencemen.

"he is slow".....compared to who? I don't think he was signed to win the NHL skills fastest skating competition anyways.

"he doesn't hit anyone".....yes, he does. More than most CBJ forwards.

"he doesn't play in front of the net"....although that isn't true, you also don't know what Hitch's strategy is.

"he isn't a particularly gifted passer"....so he should just shoot then. He has one of the hardest slap shots in the league.

"he doesn't beat anyone one-on-one"....more than half the NHL forwards don't/can't nowadays.

"he is constantly injured"....no, he isn't.


Granted I wasn't the captain of most of the teams I have played for over the last 27 years though. But I can throw a pigskin a quarter of a mile.

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Now you are REALLY trying to start something aren't you?

When Boll is on the ice, everyone notices. GlennX? Not so much. He has been given a bit of a chance here and has done very little. He will be the one to be send down, not Boll.
You are right, I completely forgot about Curtis. He would be the first to go.

Although Fritsche and Brule have seen better days as well. But take Fritsche out of the speed line and that would hurt the chemistry there a lot.

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Perhaps it was a bit harsh to say he was a wasted roster spot but the thread would not have created the kind of discussion that I was looking for if I didn't make a "controversial statement."
The kind of discussion you were looking for was "The OP is a fool!"??

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*WARNING THIS THREAD CONTAINS STATISTICAL ANALYSIS*

Fedorov, Modin, and Vyborny are and will be top 6 forwards on this team for the duration of this season.

The way we roll 4 lines, I know its hard to even use that term "top 6 forward", but if you look at PP TOI, PK TOI, and total TOI, its clear that Hitch has confidence in Fed, and Vybs. Unforatunately Modin has been injured too much to gather much data on.

Nash leads the team in total TOI for forwards.

Vyborny leads the team in combined PP/PK TOI for forwards.

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Top 6 Forwards by PP time on ice per game

1. Nash - 4:46
2. Fed - 4:37
3. Z - 4:16
4. Vy - 4:06
5. Nov - 3:26
6. Mod - 3:21

Top 6 Forwards by PK time on ice per game

1. Nov - 2:52
2. Vy - 2:45
3. Mal - 2:33
4. Peca - 2:32
5. Nash - 2:14
6. Chim - 1:55

Top 6 Forwards total time on ice per game

1. Nash - 20:04
2. Vy - 18:33
3. Z - 18:12
4. Peca - 17:24
5. Fed - 17:09
6. Chim - 16:13


If stats mean nothing to you and you would prefer to live in the world of baseless postulation and factless opinion, then ignore the above.

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Thank you for recognizing what a message board is truly for, generating discussion. Perhaps it was a bit harsh to say he was a wasted roster spot but the thread would not have created the kind of discussion that I was looking for if I didn't make a "controversial statement." ..... These boards are for opinions and it would be pretty damn boring if we all shared the same opinion.
A good argument makes its own case. You don't have to tie it to a hand grenade to get it noticed.

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I think the thread-starters inner fantasy owner is jumpin the gun a bit early on Mo...

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Modin needs to get healthy. This team needs him on the ice.

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You are right, I completely forgot about Curtis. He would be the first to go.

Although Fritsche and Brule have seen better days as well. But take Fritsche out of the speed line and that would hurt the chemistry there a lot.
I don't really think Brule has seen better days in the NHL. I think he is just starting to play some good hockey. He was very good vs. St. Louis the other night and he is trending towards some really good hockey.

Fritsche, I see as a guy who could be used as trade bait. I think Brule could step in with those guys and do an equally good job. Although right now, I think Feds is really enjoying playing with Bru and things are starting to happen.

GlenX doesn't really do much to make anything happen out there.

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