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03-24-2008, 10:36 PM
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The Caps are right there for taking the 8th spot. Boston has two games vs Buffalo who are struggling but could knock them off opening up a slot for Washington, it's going to be horse race in the East... lots of fun... I like the Caps as well, 4th on my favorite team depth chart...


If they make it I'll root for Fed's..
Sounds like the words of a Benedict Arnold. Trader!

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Sounds like the words of a Benedict Arnold. Trader!
I said fourth didn't I? The reality is, Washington has been steadily rising in the past few weeks. Buffalo, Florida and Toronto all have a chance but Washington seems to be on a roll and with two easy games vs Tampa remaining I have to think they have the best chance of over taking Boston.

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I said fourth didn't I? The reality is, Washington has been steadily rising in the past few weeks. Buffalo, Florida and Toronto all have a chance but Washington seems to be on a roll and with two easy games vs Tampa remaining I have to think they have the best chance of over taking Boston.
After last nights debacle, I am begining to feel like a Benedict Arnold. That sucked!

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After last nights debacle, I am begining to feel like a Benedict Arnold. That sucked!
Isn't there an unsaid rule about talking about games like last night's?

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Modin Math

Here is what he cost this year broken down:

$458,333.33 per goal=6 goals, 2 of which came in the same game!
$229,166.67 per point
$119,565.22 per game

Just wanted to reiterate why I started this thread to begin with in the beginning of the season. He only has 28 goals in 102 total games with the jackets. He has missed 59 games due to injury in 2 seasons and played another 25 with nagging injuries that prevented him from being productive in the least. All of this for $2.75m per. I, for one, thought it was a horrible move resigning him after being hurt on and off all last year and that's why I started this post and he hasn't done one thing to prove me wrong. The end of his contract can't come fast enough for me, I would love to see him traded this off season.

Don't give me any crap about how great he is when he is healthy because he's not, 28 goals in 102 games is not what we need, that's 3rd line production at best and probably closer to a 4th line mucker. He is certainly not a top line player. Andrew Murray has the same amount of goals in MUCH LESS ice time and playing on the 4th line for 4 minutes a game.

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1: Andrew Murray rocks.

2: Modin will score a couple more goals a year if he doesn't get an injury after every 7 games that he plays that keeps him out for something like 30 games. All I am looking for from him is to play maybe 70 games in a season... and possibly pot 20 or more goals. You can say he isn't the answer, and he probably isn't, but besides Nash and Zherdev, offensively, skill-wise.... what do we have? We have to work with what we have I guess... until Howson signs the entire red wings roster as a free agent... of course excluding Hasek...

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04-02-2008, 04:32 PM
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Here is what he cost this year broken down:

$458,333.33 per goal=6 goals, 2 of which came in the same game!
$229,166.67 per point
$119,565.22 per game

Just wanted to reiterate why I started this thread to begin with in the beginning of the season. He only has 28 goals in 102 total games with the jackets. He has missed 59 games due to injury in 2 seasons and played another 25 with nagging injuries that prevented him from being productive in the least. All of this for $2.75m per. I, for one, thought it was a horrible move resigning him after being hurt on and off all last year and that's why I started this post and he hasn't done one thing to prove me wrong. The end of his contract can't come fast enough for me, I would love to see him traded this off season.

Don't give me any crap about how great he is when he is healthy because he's not, 28 goals in 102 games is not what we need, that's 3rd line production at best and probably closer to a 4th line mucker. He is certainly not a top line player. Andrew Murray has the same amount of goals in MUCH LESS ice time and playing on the 4th line for 4 minutes a game.
Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back. AGAIN.

We get that you don't like Modin.
You don't have to bump this thread every two weeks to remind us.

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04-02-2008, 04:36 PM
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Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back. AGAIN.

We get that you don't like Modin.
You don't have to bump this thread every two weeks to remind us.
I will bump it everytime I feel the need to until he's gone.

Just to do a little math on you that I found interesting, 7005 posts in 59 months, that's an astounding 3.96 posts a day for 5 years, now that's what I call consistency. Are they going to have to cut you out of the house anytime soon?


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I will bump it everytime I feel the need to thank you.
In fairness to you, you only bumped it twice. Not every two weeks, as I said in a fit of hyperbole.
Props for not starting a new thread on this worn-out topic at least, I suppose.

My only question is, do you want others to pat you on the back or do you want to play the martyr?

As to the issue, I can still say that my opinion on this is the same as it was in November when this thread was started and in January when it was bumped the first time and in late March when it was bumped again and today when it was bumped yet again:

Healthy Modin is a good fit for this team and I'm not going to slap the "bad deal" on the contract yet because of one year. Modin has a solid history of durability and production - this year is clearly counter to that, but this is just one year. If next year mirrors this year, then I'll gladly bump this thread and line up behind you.

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Modin will be around awhile get used to it.

First I believe he has a NTC; second he gives Hitch a semi.

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I will bump it everytime I feel the need to until he's gone.

Just to do a little math on you that I found interesting, 7005 posts in 59 months, that's an astounding 3.96 posts a day for 5 years, now that's what I call consistency. Are they going to have to cut you out of the house anytime soon?
Only to get more Cheetos so I can continue to stain my pudgy digits orange between arguing on the Internet and looking up porn.

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In fairness to you, you only bumped it twice. Not every two weeks, as I said in a fit of hyperbole.
Props for not starting a new thread on this worn-out topic at least, I suppose.

My only question is, do you want others to pat you on the back or do you want to play the martyr?

As to the issue, I can still say that my opinion on this is the same as it was in November when this thread was started and in January when it was bumped the first time and in late March when it was bumped again and today when it was bumped yet again:

Healthy Modin is a good fit for this team and I'm not going to slap the "bad deal" on the contract yet because of one year. Modin has a solid history of durability and production - this year is clearly counter to that, but this is just one year. If next year mirrors this year, then I'll gladly bump this thread and line up behind you.

I would love to have a healthy Modin for a complete season, BUT if you remember he wasn't healthy for the majority of the second half of last year either, he just played through his ankle injuries and various other injuries last year. So that's 2 seasons that he's been hobbled, I'm fine if they want to keep him as a 3rd or 4th line player but for them to give him a top line spot (and yes i understand you have to deal with what you have to work with) but if they go out and get some people and he still gets a top line spot then we aren't going anywhere.

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That was funny, I'll give you that.

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Here is what he cost this year broken down:
While I suppose I disagree with you about Modin's value to the Jackets, the beautiful irony of this line should not go overlooked.

Oh, and I have like 3.5 or something posts per day which might not seem in any way remarkable until you try and figure out how I make that half of a post.

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I would love to have a healthy Modin for a complete season, BUT if you remember he wasn't healthy for the majority of the second half of last year either, he just played through his ankle injuries and various other injuries last year. So that's 2 seasons that he's been hobbled, I'm fine if they want to keep him as a 3rd or 4th line player but for them to give him a top line spot (and yes i understand you have to deal with what you have to work with) but if they go out and get some people and he still gets a top line spot then we aren't going anywhere.
Fair point, but even "hobbled" he put in 79 games, 22 goals and 42 points last year. I'd take that production next year. I'd prefer more, but I think those numbers are a reasonable expectation given his history - I know others disagree with that.

I'd be more sympathetic to what you're saying if there were alternatives, but there really aren't. With Vyborny deservedly on the way out and no young guys looking ready yet, I don't think it is a stretch to say Modin is the next most viable top 6 guy on the roster after Nash and Zherdev.
We could bump him to the 3rd or 4th, but that leaves 4 spots in the top six to be filled internally or externally, which is a tall order in one offseason.

We still have a fundamental disagreement about Modin's value as a player, but I know we've been at an agree-to-disagree point there.

edit: Time will prove one of us right and one of us wrong (and if it is me, I'll gladly give credit where its due), but that is the exact component to the equation we're lacking right now - time.

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That was funny, I'll give you that.
It is funny because it is true.

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Here is what he cost this year broken down:

$458,333.33 per goal=6 goals, 2 of which came in the same game!
$229,166.67 per point
$119,565.22 per game

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He only has 28 goals in 102 total games with the jackets. *** The end of his contract can't come fast enough for me, I would love to see him traded this off season.

***28 goals in 102 games is not what we need, that's 3rd line production at best and probably closer to a 4th line mucker. He is certainly not a top line player. Andrew Murray has the same amount of goals in MUCH LESS ice time and playing on the 4th line for 4 minutes a game.


This is some great comedy. This from a guy who insists OKT is a top 4 d-man.

Seriously, 28 goals in 102 games. I did the math. That's roughly .27 goals/game. If he had been healthy, Modin would get around 22 goals in an 82 game season. Based simply on his performance in Columbus.

So, tell me, how many teams have all 6 of their top 6 forwards putting in at least 22 goals a year? I can name exactly one--Philly. But, maybe you can find a few more. Right now Sidney Crosby's sitting at 22 goals for the season. I suppose he's not a top line player either.

The problem with Murray is that there isn't enough data to know what he can produce at this point.

Listen, I didn't like the Modin signing. Didn't like that we turned down Burke's offer of multiple draft picks/prospects to trade him as a rental at last year's deadline. But this isn't a Fedorov level mistake that hobbles a franchise.

If the right trade came available, I'd do it. Maybe Burke still wants the guy--I mean, he did overpay Todd Bertuzzi. Maybe something based on Modin for Matthieu Schneider would work. Maybe. But more than likely GM's are going to wait until they see how Modin plays before they take a shot on him given his recent history. And if he plays well enough that they do want him...at that point we might be better off keeping him.

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28 goals in 102 games is not what we need, that's 3rd line production at best and probably closer to a 4th line mucker. He is certainly not a top line player. Andrew Murray has the same amount of goals in MUCH LESS ice time and playing on the 4th line for 4 minutes a game.
28 goals in 102 games = 22.5 goals in 82 games. And as I just read I believe the Sharks only have 3 20 goals scorers. So, sure you could say he doesnt belong on the top line but he is at least second liner on any team.

Also, Murray averages 11:22 per game.

Thats cool if you dont like him, but he is very easily the third best forward on our roster. This year has been nothing but bad luck for him.

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