Im with no name. WHY NO Camms? He has proven that he has the skills to score in the NHL when he is paired with talent and given more than 10 mins a game. I am truly beggining to wonder what AM is off to.
I bet Cammy can't believe it either. Maybe they're trying to snap Barney out of his funk or something. He's chilled off some since his earlier halcyon days at the beginning of the season. He's throwing his body around a little more than he used to, as well.
Let's just hope there's some kind of logic in the roster moves.
i think they don't want to keep tossing him back and forth. they wana see him get his scoring touch back in the minors then bring him back up. he's a young guy with a lot of potential and we can bring up 2 other players. there's no need to rush him. maybe they felt he wasn't ready for the NHL yet. eithe rway, i can't wait to see barney!!
i think they don't want to keep tossing him back and forth. they wana see him get his scoring touch back in the minors then bring him back up. he's a young guy with a lot of potential and we can bring up 2 other players. there's no need to rush him. maybe they felt he wasn't ready for the NHL yet. eithe rway, i can't wait to see barney!!
Like I said on the Ziggy surgery post.........We buy the BS! Now i'm not calling you out, but this is exactly the brainwash BS we have to buy into. Please tell me what he needs to prove in the "A"? I feel like i'm beating on a deadhorse with the Cammy issues. And, if you thought we brought Storr in the wrong way when we first drafted him? We're absolutely destroying this guy's confidence, and he came to camp possesed this year. Real unfair treatment, and like i've said before, the next deal that goes down, he'll be part of. We should just go out and resign CJ, because for ***** sake he was beyond deserving of a roster spot last year. And, last time I checked Cammy seems to have more points per game, than half the guys we have. I hope Allison gives AM some of that migraine medicine........better yet, give it to me because the whole mentality with the club I love most, is driving me insane!
Like I said on the Ziggy surgery post.........We buy the BS! Now i'm not calling you out, but this is exactly the brainwash BS we have to buy into. Please tell me what he needs to prove in the "A"? I feel like i'm beating on a deadhorse with the Cammy issues. And, if you thought we brought Storr in the wrong way when we first drafted him? We're absolutely destroying this guy's confidence, and he came to camp possesed this year. Real unfair treatment, and like i've said before, the next deal that goes down, he'll be part of. We should just go out and resign CJ, because for ***** sake he was beyond deserving of a roster spot last year. And, last time I checked Cammy seems to have more points per game, than half the guys we have. I hope Allison gives AM some of that migraine medicine........better yet, give it to me because the whole mentality with the club I love most, is driving me insane!
relax dude...relax
hey, i haven't seen any monarchs games...i'm sure the coaches there know who is up and who is down. cammy is one of the most talented there...but i'm sure the coaches had a say on who deserves to come up. look cammy is young...he has plenty of time left to show what he can do...
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ya seriosuly. i'm not trying to side with the coaches at all nor start some argument. just giving a possible insight into what they are tryign to do. i for one don't really care much about what they do. this isn't somethign like the boucher fiascal or the cechmanek/huet situation, where i strongly disagree against management. but as i said before, i think cammalleri should get his confidence back in scoring back in the minors, then bring him back up to the NHL. ther'es ap ossibility he lost his touch and they jsut want him to get it back. nothign wrong with that. i for one am a strong proponent of keeping players down until they're ready. it's possible thye feel cammalleri could use another year down.
just a curious quote from the LA times. this may explain why he wasn't pulled up...
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Forward Michael Cammalleri has struggled since being sent down to Manchester..
Im with no name. WHY NO Camms? He has proven that he has the skills to score in the NHL when he is paired with talent and given more than 10 mins a game. I am truly beggining to wonder what AM is off to.
He really hasn't done much on the offensive or defensive sides during his recent stint in Manchester. He has 1-assist in five games. Over the same five, he has been whistled for 6-min. in penalties for slashing, tripping, and holding the stick. In short punchy, except for a couple of nice set-ups a few games ago, he hasn't done squat for the Monarchs this trip. Also, IMO, he gets knocked off the puck way too easily to play a wing position. He played on the wing for a game or two with Pirnes at center and just didn't look good there at all. I'm sure being passed over on this round is not sitting well with him and it will be interesting to see if he sulks or comes to play, finally! From what I've seen recently in Manchester and the Kings need for more physical players, they got this one right. Pirnes was hitting everything he could while he was in Manchester and scoring as well.
I understand mate but I mean, he is a young lad who had proven his self and done what were asked of him and were sent down to the farm, again. It has to yank your noddle about abit. I don't blame the lad for feeling off about his latest send down and while I wouldn't act the same way, I am not a 21 year old pro athelete who has always been treated like a gifted player.
Overall, I feel he needs to suck it up and get back to producing. This is a pro career and there will be ups and downs. I just feel that the lad had earned his spot with the big club and that there were others who could travel before him. Probably explains his lack of production. Talented kid, he will be fine.
hey, i haven't seen any monarchs games...i'm sure the coaches there know who is up and who is down. cammy is one of the most talented there...but i'm sure the coaches had a say on who deserves to come up. look cammy is young...he has plenty of time left to show what he can do...
I'm relaxed believe me, I just have a hard time buying everybody's excuses. Because I know on game night threads everybody was loving him when he was scoring, now he goes on a little slump and we send him down. And everybody here justifies it. We're shattering this guy's confidence is all i'm saying. He's young yes, and still has lot to learn, but we have old guys that still have a lot to learn. AM has a long track record witht this, and did the same with Lubo. While, he should have been sending down players like Modry instead. I'm no expert, but Cammy would be getting games elsewhere, and not just top two lines because he would do whatever was asked of him on lines three and four. He just wants to be in the NHL, and his play has deserved that........That's my whole argument.
You could easily bench the guy for one or two games, and re-light the fire. If I were Cammy i'd be pretty pissed right now too! And, he's never complained once.
Just have to back you nutter. I have been showing in stats that, if you look at Camms NHL career stats, he, at less than 41 games were on a pace to be among last seasons top three while recieving less ATOI then ANY of them.
I had a pm from a bloke from another team. He told me I were wrong on the way I view things. Like most, I got defencive and refused to listen for a bit but, after reading his opinion a couple of times, I am inclined to see things closer to his way.
He were busy pointing out, that, since we will not see Deader back anytime this season nor will Allison be back in time to actually lead us to the promised land that NOW is the time to move vets.
Here is his and now my logic (although, I see things a bit differently) He pointed out to me the last SEVERAL champions. He showed how each of these team started out with the young core of talented players being responsible for recieving the majority of available ice time while they started out. Take the Sens for example. I love that team and have since I saw thier most embarrasing first NHL game when they had the homoerotic gladiators dancing about like a ginger beer rivival. Bloody awful.
They struggled for a few years while thier talented kids got ahold of the NHL game and then, when they started looking competitive, and had enough talented young depth, they went and got themselves some solid Veterans to get them over the top.
We are a middle of the road team as we are now. We have, (god save me for saying this) WHEN HEALTHY (or never) a team that is based on its veterans and workman like players recieving the lions share of our precious ice time while our talented young players be abused with the hopes that we will make a run at the cup.
Now, I have been fence sitting because I had it switched. I seen it as we get our talented Vets which, how you like it or not, Palffy/Allison/Straka/Deadmarsh are all star players for vets and with Matty/Miller/Stumpel/Klatt/Lappy and all we have allot of talented Veteran workers too. They have had us competitive while we assembled what most pundits say are among the top 5 groups of kids and prospects in the game.
Now its time to pay the piper. No Palffy. No Allison. No Straka. No Deader, no shot at the cup worth gambling with. NOW is the time to a, bring in Camms. Now we bring up Grebs. Now we put Brown/Camms/Frolov on a line and when Aulin comes back we line him up too. Now is the time to deal off Stumpel (even if for a third or fourth round pick. I can dream) Now we deal Miller and Modry for highly touted prospects or top four round picks and or young talented players. BOTH of them would draw some serious interest. Now is the time to deal Straka (better than I ever thought) for the same. Now we deal Ebell while he still has any value or MAKE HIM without exception, our third line center for his time here. He has no use to us as anything else and should be made to be a much better PK players and our leader on two way steady play by now.
The point is this. We aren't going to need to rebuild entirely. We just need to make our lads get the ice time for the rest of this season. With the moving of Miller and Modry as well as Lappy (nice to keep but might be more valuable in return) we will get either some solid prospects or some very good picks out of them and adding to our already great farm. Next time we have a next season, we keep Ziggy (as he is the best in the bus at his position and an anchor to build that position around. and add in our talented kids. Give em a shake for a year. They will get over 35 games this season of NHL experience and there are a few NHL teams that will part with some TOP elite young prospects to land the players we have that will push them over the top.
If it is to be done, doing it in the manner that the Pens did (and others) isn't the answer. You have to pull off the bandage all at once. We could really have a seriously talented young team within a couple of weeks and IF Allison came back he would bring us at least a second round pick to add also.
Not approaching this from a financial position at all either. Its just that every great team, The Avs, The Devils, The Sens and even the Red Wings although it were a bit ago started by getting all of thier talented kids as the core on the ice and then added the heavies. We aren't getting there this way and I can't stomach watching Frolov/Camms and the rest getting yanked around like they are to thier detriment only to see us wallow a bit longer.
Like I said, its a new idea to me so I haven't reckoned it out yet but I am starting to see the light.
I'm relaxed believe me, I just have a hard time buying everybody's excuses. Because I know on game night threads everybody was loving him when he was scoring, now he goes on a little slump and we send him down. And everybody here justifies it. We're shattering this guy's confidence is all i'm saying. He's young yes, and still has lot to learn, but we have old guys that still have a lot to learn. AM has a long track record witht this, and did the same with Lubo. While, he should have been sending down players like Modry instead. I'm no expert, but Cammy would be getting games elsewhere, and not just top two lines because he would do whatever was asked of him on lines three and four. He just wants to be in the NHL, and his play has deserved that........That's my whole argument.
You could easily bench the guy for one or two games, and re-light the fire. If I were Cammy i'd be pretty pissed right now too! And, he's never complained once.
OK no excuses, how about this, [CENTER] Pirnes was skating circles around Cammalleri at the time of the recall, beating him in scoring, hitting, and defense. [WING] Scott Barney at 6'4" 210 lbs is more effective as a checking line wing than Cammalleri at 5'9", 180 lbs and Barney can skate on a scoring line and plays on both sides of the puck in either role.
Cammy is getting games elsewhere, in the AHL, likely the league he would have spent last season developing in if injuries hadn't accelerated his and others entry into the NHL.
As far as his little slump goes, I believe he was 0-for 10 or 11 games, or about 12-13% of the season, how long do you let it go, 15-20-games, I don't know. Murry said he had seen enough, and from what we've seen in Manchester since his return, Murray was right. Cammalleri is in a funk and playing like crap. He still hasn't gotten any better on the defensive side of the puck. Taking stupid penalties. Seems to be sulking that the Kings are going to make him earn and keep earning his spot in LA.
So swing, no excuses, just the reality that Cammalleri got beat out for now.
OK no excuses, how about this, [CENTER] Pirnes was skating circles around Cammalleri at the time of the recall, beating him in scoring, hitting, and defense. [WING] Scott Barney at 6'4" 210 lbs is more effective as a checking line wing than Cammalleri at 5'9", 180 lbs and Barney can skate on a scoring line and plays on both sides of the puck in either role.
Cammy is getting games elsewhere, in the AHL, likely the league he would have spent last season developing in if injuries hadn't accelerated his and others entry into the NHL.
As far as his little slump goes, I believe he was 0-for 10 or 11 games, or about 12-13% of the season, how long do you let it go, 15-20-games, I don't know. Murry said he had seen enough, and from what we've seen in Manchester since his return, Murray was right. Cammalleri is in a funk and playing like crap. He still hasn't gotten any better on the defensive side of the puck. Taking stupid penalties. Seems to be sulking that the Kings are going to make him earn and keep earning his spot in LA.
So swing, no excuses, just the reality that Cammalleri got beat out for now.
Well, it looks like we're going for a roller coaster ride on this one, and cool you have your opinions and I have mine. But stats don't lie bro, so I don't give a flying ***** who was skating cirlces around who. Esa Pirnes has played 19 games and has 2 points. Again 2 points! He is also 26 yrs old and has played professional hockey for quite some time. So him flying around the ice in Manchester is great, and I personally don't believe he belongs down there. I like the way he plays. But our moves don't justify Cammy being sent down. I'm not his brother nor his father, but the kid deserves to play. He's got 13pts in 24 games, which is great numbers for a kid of his age. He does everything that's asked of him, and most fans need to wake up to reality! Did we draft him for his scoring and creativity or did we draft him for his role play. Sim, Tripp, Chartrand and Pirnes have a combined 20 pts in 102 games played. They're not a slump though. The reality of this team is that we're not only soft, but we're depleted on the scoring front. You see Manchester games, and I see LA games, and some of our skaters are just going through the motions, and bring absolutely nothing to the table. Cammy is not given the confidence........God forbid he goes on another scoring slump, we'll send him down to Reading. It's a *****ing joke bro, and their screwing with this kid's head. Does Cammy go back down to Manchester and tear it up for the umpteenth time, no thanks, what's the point? I'd like to see him get a chance elsewhere, so he can taunt us for the rest of our lives. I'm not justifying like everybody else here, we all buy into their BS, but I don't. And if the next argument is that the guys I mentioned above are role players and not scoring players, than please tell me why each and every one of those players have played on the top two lines.
So from a soft ass team, you can now call us a limp d*ck team on the scoring front too. I think last night's game, I should have just turned it off and went outside to watch the grass grow, it probably had more entertainment!
Well, it looks like we're going for a roller coaster ride on this one, and cool you have your opinions and I have mine. But stats don't lie bro, so I don't give a flying ***** who was skating cirlces around who. Esa Pirnes has played 19 games and has 2 points. Again 2 points! He is also 26 yrs old and has played professional hockey for quite some time. So him flying around the ice in Manchester is great, and I personally don't believe he belongs down there. I like the way he plays. But our moves don't justify Cammy being sent down. I'm not his brother nor his father, but the kid deserves to play. He's got 13pts in 24 games, which is great numbers for a kid of his age. He does everything that's asked of him, and most fans need to wake up to reality! Did we draft him for his scoring and creativity or did we draft him for his role play. Sim, Tripp, Chartrand and Pirnes have a combined 20 pts in 102 games played. They're not a slump though. The reality of this team is that we're not only soft, but we're depleted on the scoring front. You see Manchester games, and I see LA games, and some of our skaters are just going through the motions, and bring absolutely nothing to the table. Cammy is not given the confidence........God forbid he goes on another scoring slump, we'll send him down to Reading. It's a *****ing joke bro, and their screwing with this kid's head. Does Cammy go back down to Manchester and tear it up for the umpteenth time, no thanks, what's the point? I'd like to see him get a chance elsewhere, so he can taunt us for the rest of our lives. I'm not justifying like everybody else here, we all buy into their BS, but I don't. And if the next argument is that the guys I mentioned above are role players and not scoring players, than please tell me why each and every one of those players have played on the top two lines.
So from a soft ass team, you can now call us a limp d*ck team on the scoring front too. I think last night's game, I should have just turned it off and went outside to watch the grass grow, it probably had more entertainment!
i would certainly like to see cammelleri pick things up and get back to the big leagues, but i think i understand and respect where management is coming from here. if they don't feel he's the best player in manchester, why should he get moved back up? what message would that send to the rest of the organization? sure 13 points in 24 games is good, great even, but he's hardly "proven." when he's managed to keep up for a whole season the production and the intensity in his play that got him to the nhl in the first place, then i'll agree he's proven, but 13 points in less than a third of season does not a "proven" player make.
furthermore, if this really is messing with his head, then he's got serious mental toughness issues that need to be addressed. the guy is a professional hockey player earning, if i recall correctly, over a million dollars a year at the ripe old age of 21. if management tells him to go play in a beer league in timbuktu, he needs to say "yes, sir" and smile while he says it. if being shuffled around a bit disturbs his focus so much that he is rendered ineffective at the ahl level, then he should perhaps look into reapplying to michigan and working on that degree.
besides, he's young, and there are 40 games left in this season, not to mention the rest of his career after it. we've hardly seen the last of him.
swinginutter,
i don't get why you are so hard on management on thinking that cammalleri is better off regaining his edge in a weaker league then coming back up when h'es got his touch back. why are you so against it? He's our prospect, he's going to be in the franchise for years to come. why rush him?? he's not like Sim or Tripp where we can play them 5 minutes a game and not care about their development. Cammalleri has a job to score. If he needs to go back down to the weaker league to get his edge back, then so be it. IMO, above anything for cammalleri, it's his job to develop his scoring. we don't need to hinder his development up here anymore. it's not like we're going anywhere this year.
Well, it looks like we're going for a roller coaster ride on this one, and cool you have your opinions and I have mine. But stats don't lie bro, so I don't give a flying ***** who was skating cirlces around who. Esa Pirnes has played 19 games and has 2 points. Again 2 points! He is also 26 yrs old and has played professional hockey for quite some time. So him flying around the ice in Manchester is great, and I personally don't believe he belongs down there. I like the way he plays. But our moves don't justify Cammy being sent down. I'm not his brother nor his father, but the kid deserves to play. He's got 13pts in 24 games, which is great numbers for a kid of his age. He does everything that's asked of him, and most fans need to wake up to reality! Did we draft him for his scoring and creativity or did we draft him for his role play. Sim, Tripp, Chartrand and Pirnes have a combined 20 pts in 102 games played. They're not a slump though. The reality of this team is that we're not only soft, but we're depleted on the scoring front. You see Manchester games, and I see LA games, and some of our skaters are just going through the motions, and bring absolutely nothing to the table. Cammy is not given the confidence........God forbid he goes on another scoring slump, we'll send him down to Reading. It's a *****ing joke bro, and their screwing with this kid's head. Does Cammy go back down to Manchester and tear it up for the umpteenth time, no thanks, what's the point? I'd like to see him get a chance elsewhere, so he can taunt us for the rest of our lives. I'm not justifying like everybody else here, we all buy into their BS, but I don't. And if the next argument is that the guys I mentioned above are role players and not scoring players, than please tell me why each and every one of those players have played on the top two lines.
So from a soft ass team, you can now call us a limp d*ck team on the scoring front too. I think last night's game, I should have just turned it off and went outside to watch the grass grow, it probably had more entertainment!
Good point on the stats (although in some cases they don't tell the whole story)and no I won't suggest that Barney will score a goal a game for the rest of the season to finish at 36-37 goals (I wish he would though). But, why not Rosa, in the 98-99 season he had 16 pts. in 29 games? Rosa, who currently leads the AHL in scoring, has been near the top or leading the AHL in scoring the past 2-seasons.
As far as screwing with his head goes, well, last season on his first trip to Manchester when he hadn't proven squat in the NHL, he came out in the paper (Union Leader) and said he didn't belong in the AHL, the team was wrong for sending him there...Not a good way for a Rookie to solidify his commitment to the organization. Maybe, just maybe, the Kings are trying to give him the best opportunity to be successful at the NHL level. If Cammalleri gets nothing more than the realization that playing in the NHL is something that Rookies need to EARN on a daily/nightly basis and that at his age and status every time he skates it's a "try-out" then the recent assignment to Manchester will be a success IMO.
Finally, Cammalleri doesn't come to Manchester and "tear it up". He has occasional great games, sandwiched in between several mediocre games in which he is basically invisible. Compare Cammalleri's AHL stats to Brad Church's, Church was a call-up from Reading and is ahead of Cammalleri on all counts. Like you said bro, stats don't lie!
Good point on the stats (although in some cases they don't tell the whole story)and no I won't suggest that Barney will score a goal a game for the rest of the season to finish at 36-37 goals (I wish he would though). But, why not Rosa, in the 98-99 season he had 16 pts. in 29 games? Rosa, who currently leads the AHL in scoring, has been near the top or leading the AHL in scoring the past 2-seasons.
As far as screwing with his head goes, well, last season on his first trip to Manchester when he hadn't proven squat in the NHL, he came out in the paper (Union Leader) and said he didn't belong in the AHL, the team was wrong for sending him there...Not a good way for a Rookie to solidify his commitment to the organization. Maybe, just maybe, the Kings are trying to give him the best opportunity to be successful at the NHL level. If Cammalleri gets nothing more than the realization that playing in the NHL is something that Rookies need to EARN on a daily/nightly basis and that at his age and status every time he skates it's a "try-out" then the recent assignment to Manchester will be a success IMO.
Finally, Cammalleri doesn't come to Manchester and "tear it up". He has occasional great games, sandwiched in between several mediocre games in which he is basically invisible. Compare Cammalleri's AHL stats to Brad Church's, Church was a call-up from Reading and is ahead of Cammalleri on all counts. Like you said bro, stats don't lie!
Who the hell is Brad Church?
And i'm glad you gave me that quote from the Union leader because I never heard it out here. Now, I can see why there is possible friction between him and the coaching staff (AM). Look i'm not a negative eddie, even though this season has been nothing but a kill-joy! I just feel that everybody makes reasons to believe the coaching staff, and to buy everything they throw at us.
They benched Robitaille last night, and he wasn't at all happy, in fact it was only the second time in his whole career, and last time I checked he owns the NHL record for LW's. People also need to realize why so many of our top players seem to have friction with the coach. It's ok to respect his philosphy, but even when Ziggy was skinning the whole league in the beginning of the year, he found reasons of why he wasn't playing good enough (or better). None of us here would have ever seen the LAPD line if wasn't for Tippett. And, at the beginning of last year, Allison was upset that AM was going to break that line up. Same goes for Klatt at the beginning of the season.......i'm just warming up to him as a player, but AM giving this guy the mind set that he'll be a top two line player is exactly the philosophy that makes me sick. He's third line, and that's it. Same for Frolov, people are crying about his PP time, but why should anybody be surprised, i'm not! So, again my point is.....what's Cammy's job? Is he here to score, or to blow the coach and prove he's the best two way player ever. I'm just really confused with the mentality of our lines, our grit (team toughness), ***** i'm just confused with the King's in general. We're so unbelievably thin up front, with all our losses.....but hey i'll buy into what everybody else here justifies...Cammy doesn't belong, and Robitaille needs the rest. It's disgraceful!
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IMO, above anything for cammalleri, it's his job to develop his scoring. we don't need to hinder his development up here anymore. it's not like we're going anywhere this year
What are we looking for as far as development goes? Oh yeah, because Army came back he can't play wing, and we all believe it. I think most people forgot that one of our top pre-season lines was Luc-Army-Cammy, and they actually played better than the Frolov-Stumpel-Ziggy line.
And, how are we hindering his development up here? It's actually the opposite! You play him against NHL players on a nightly basis, and he learns from the best night in and night out.
Seriously I think I just really need to start actually talking about "Hockey's Future" and 18 yr olds i'll never see, because fantasy land right now seems to be a lot better than reality. I still follow this team, but right now i'm calling them the LA Survivors, because that's all we've been for a really long time now!
Brad Church is a very impressive forward (LW) who Manchester called up from Reading when we were down forwards because LA was down forwards. He's been knocking around the AHL for about 8 years now, mostly with the Portland Pirates, though now he calls Reading home.
While he was on the Monarch's roster, he worked alongside Pavel Rosa on a line centered by Steve Kelly. He would park himself in front of the net, distracting the opposition's goalie and center or forward, providing Kelly an opportunity to setup a play with Rosa. Church would be there taking the body waiting for the rebound.
i would think a young player like cammy would have more trouble if they stayed with the big club and keeps getting frustrated with not scoring...i believe this would render his development more than by sending him to the minors...
