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11-19-2007, 04:27 PM
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It was wierd, I got a text message from TSN telling me about the trade, and when I first read it, and only saw that Brian Sutherby was dealt somewhere, I for some reason knew right away he was dealt to Anaheim. It was definetely weird. Same thing happened earlier in the day when Jon Garland was dealt to the Angels, and even in the past when Jeff Friesen was dealt to Anaheim. Weird.

Anyway, I kinda like it. Sutherby seems tailor-made for this team, and maybe he can regain some of his form. One of his weaknesses seems to be skating, so that could be a good thing, as it seems every player who comes here learns to skate much better.

I'm not certain this means Marchant is gone right away, as Sutherby can likely play wing and isn't that great defensively, but I think it means he's gone eventually. Probably not for much, but, as dry as the trade market is, I don't doubt we can find a team needing a player like Marchant. I could see Buffalo, as they need something, and it would be nice for Todd to get to go back home. I could really get into a fourth line of May-Sutherby-Parros/Miller, with Mowers being the other scratch. Well, I guess once Tuzzi gets back I'd probably want Miller on a line with him and Mac, but I'm talking long-term, as in when some Finnish snipers finally gets on the ice.

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11-19-2007, 04:41 PM
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A couple of observations:

1. Burke doesn't have a high regard for Second Round picks. He gave one up for Friesen, another for Parros (four or five weeks after the Kings put him on waivers) and several others (whose names don't spring to mind). What did we give up for Brad May? Or was that one of the goalie prospects?

2. Why is everyone so anxious to trade Todd Marchant? I don't know a heckuva alot about Sutherby, but he strikes me as more of a "banger"---much more of a Brad May than a Todd Marchant. Marchant is a great penalty killer, good for a few short-handed goals each year, great skater and good faceoff man. Frankly, I think he's underestimated and underapprciated. (Wasn't he the leading scorer or second leading scorer for the Ducks in the 2005 playoffs).

3. People on this board are always guessing that a minor deal is the precursor of a bigger deal to come. I can't say it won't happen, but I don't think Marchant or Andy Mac are going anywhere any time soon.

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Sutherby should a nice addition to the toughest team in the league. Can play the game a bit also. 25 years old. You guys will like him.

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11-19-2007, 04:51 PM
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Does Francois Allaire teach skating too or something?

Perry and Getzlaf definitely got way better at skating since they got here. Especially Perry.

I guess it could just be hard work.

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Who else knows anything about Sutherby? What can he bring to this team? Stengths/weaknesses?


Strengths....

Leadership, physicality, bigtime team guy, hits, fights, solid defensively, decent PKer.



Weaknesses....


Scoring touch



You guys picked up an solid team guy. He's never been quite the same (mobility-wise) since a groin injury a few years ago. It was a mystery as to why he wasn't in the lineup more in DC this year. He remained a alternate captain the whole time though. I really hope he finds a good home with the Ducks because he's the type of guy you want on your team.


My wife is heartbroken.

She's now taken down her license plates...."Suts Fan". It's a day of mourning in my house.

Good luck Suts!

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11-19-2007, 04:59 PM
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a question for Duck's fans - when he was a boy, did Brian Burke have his lunch stolen by a 2nd round draft pick?

He seems to have this hate for 2nd round picks. It is almost like he goes into anaphelactic shock when he comes near them.

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Anaheim just picked up my favorite player from the last ten years, and the second longest tenured Capital (behind Olie). He hadn't gotten a lot of chances to play this year, but the reasons behind that are unknown.

In my profile, there's a link to a blog a friend of mine and I started in response to the fact that Sutherby was getting consistently benched. If you are interested in some highlights or whatever, feel free to check it out.

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well it all makes sense now. he was likely offered a 2nd for bryzgalov, but because of his 2ndophobia he rushed to put him on waivers rather than take the dreaded 2nd

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sweet, I'll be looking forward to seeing him on the ice. . .maybe some new chemistry

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a question for Duck's fans - when he was a boy, did Brian Burke have his lunch stolen by a 2nd round draft pick?

He seems to have this hate for 2nd round picks. It is almost like he goes into anaphelactic shock when he comes near them.
or maybe he just got his lunch stolen a lot (hence +6' players)

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I'm not too upset with this trade, sounds like we got a good team guy who'll fit in well. Though I do kinda wish Burke would stop trading so many damn 2nd rounders...

I don't, however, like the sound that Miller could be sent down. He's been one of the guys I've been a fan of all season.

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Burke hates second rounders.

Well, I'm getting used to see what seem a dumb move turning gold. Let's see.

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After ruminating on this some more, I had some more thoughts.

I like the acquisition, but the cost seems a little high. Actually that can probably be said for almost all of Burke's moves. The only moves I haven't liked from the get go were Bertuzzi and Friesen. I think he's great at finding the right buy, but then overpays to get the right guy.

Based on my (possibly wrong) impression that Sutherby is essentially Brad May with slightly more offense and slightly less grit, I'm betting he goes on the line with Perry and Getzlaf. Kunitz moves to help Andy Mac, and Mowers gets kicked down to the 4th line spot he should be in.

Sutherby-Getzlaf-Perry
Kunitz-MacDonald-Marchant
Moen-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
May-Mowers-Parros

And finally, I've changed my mind, I don't think Burke makes any more moves for awhile. And I don't think Sutherby is good enough defensively to move Marchant. When Bert comes back, he goes on McDonald's line, Marchant moves to the 4th line, and Mowers and Parros alternate scratches.

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Why cant we trade for someone with goal scoring ability? How many 3rd/4th line players does this team really need?

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2. Why is everyone so anxious to trade Todd Marchant? I don't know a heckuva alot about Sutherby, but he strikes me as more of a "banger"---much more of a Brad May than a Todd Marchant. Marchant is a great penalty killer, good for a few short-handed goals each year, great skater and good faceoff man. Frankly, I think he's underestimated and underapprciated. (Wasn't he the leading scorer or second leading scorer for the Ducks in the 2005 playoffs)..
I don't think anyone is anxious to trade him, just that he is an asset that can be traded. The Ducks just do not need anyone of Marchant's talent or salary on the 4th line. Especially when we are typically running 3 lines with the 4th line getting a shift 1 or 2 times a period.

In the last few games Marchant has been getting more ice time with McDonald, but when Bertuzzi comes back I am not sure what will happen.

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2. Why is everyone so anxious to trade Todd Marchant? I don't know a heckuva alot about Sutherby, but he strikes me as more of a "banger"---much more of a Brad May than a Todd Marchant. Marchant is a great penalty killer, good for a few short-handed goals each year, great skater and good faceoff man. Frankly, I think he's underestimated and underapprciated. (Wasn't he the leading scorer or second leading scorer for the Ducks in the 2005 playoffs).
Price tag. Marchant makes over $2.5 million this year and next, and that money could be better spent elsewhere. I really like Marchant, but Sutherby can replace him as the 4th line center and Getzlaf can replace him on the PK. Plus, I'm sure Todd Marchant would love to be dealt out East, and it'd be nice to reward him like that.

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Why cant we trade for someone with goal scoring ability? How many 3rd/4th line players does this team really need?
What are you talking about? He scored 7 goals last season! Rocket Richard trophy, here we come!

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I don't think anyone is anxious to trade him, just that he is an asset that can be traded. The Ducks just do not need anyone of Marchant's talent or salary on the 4th line. Especially when we are typically running 3 lines with the 4th line getting a shift 1 or 2 times a period.

In the last few games Marchant has been getting more ice time with McDonald, but when Bertuzzi comes back I am not sure what will happen.
Marchant is more than just a 4th liner though. He only gets 4th line minutes ES, but he's the anchor of our 2nd PK unit, and gets the 3rd most PK time. He's 7th on our forwards in total ice time with ~16:30 min/game, compared to the other 4th liners Parros and May, who get 5 and 7 minutes per game respectively. And last year he got 15 minutes per game and was 6th amongst our forwards, so it's not all due to his stint on the 2nd line.

That said I think he's the first player gone if we have cap problems. Wirtanen or Carter should be able to fill in on the 4th line, and Getzlaf probably fills in as the 2nd PK faceoff man.

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From what I gather, Burke has always been a believer in underdogs... or more likely, if a player has a bit of skill and can play in the NHL, there's always a chance they can bust out and find a fire in the right system.

Signing undrafted players and turning a bit of trash from other teams into our own gold, perhaps Burke is looking to find the right bit of chemistry.

A second rounder is a bit high, but its not a terrible trade... the only negative thing about the trade is, "is that the type of player we really need to trade for?"

Oh well, it IS exciting to see new players popping in and out of the lineup (when we are winning). And I enjoy knowing that most of the Ducks are pretty good guys with a lot of leadership and team moral... hopefully he fits right in and finds a partner.

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a question for Duck's fans - when he was a boy, did Brian Burke have his lunch stolen by a 2nd round draft pick?

He seems to have this hate for 2nd round picks. It is almost like he goes into anaphelactic shock when he comes near them.
Bringing this back just days later because it once again seems to be appropriate...


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I figured this would happen, dont be surprised to see him playing with Andy Mac and Miller with Marchant going back to the 4th line. Another player who could prove to be a great surprise. Great talent who never got a chance playing for a organization that doesnt value tough gritty players.

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Marchant is more than just a 4th liner though. He only gets 4th line minutes ES, but he's the anchor of our 2nd PK unit, and gets the 3rd most PK time. He's 7th on our forwards in total ice time with ~16:30 min/game, compared to the other 4th liners Parros and May, who get 5 and 7 minutes per game respectively. And last year he got 15 minutes per game and was 6th amongst our forwards, so it's not all due to his stint on the 2nd line.

That said I think he's the first player gone if we have cap problems. Wirtanen or Carter should be able to fill in on the 4th line, and Getzlaf probably fills in as the 2nd PK faceoff man.
I agree with everything you said. The only problem with him, IMO, is that he is a 1st line quality center playing on the 4th line ES. He is a great player and a huge value to our team.

It is for those reasons above and the fact that McDonald is struggling this year and doesn't seem to fit well with Selanne's speed gone that I feel McDonald may be moved instead of Marchant.

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why move mcdonald when he is the only speed we have left on the team.

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I think Marchant will be on the 2nd line left wing for now if/until he's traded.

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why move mcdonald when he is the only speed we have left on the team.
I agree. Its far easier to find a speed winger with a scoring touch to match with McDonald and Kunitz (or someone else?) to make a scoring line, than it is to deal away McDonald and try to make a scoring line from scratch.

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I agree. Its far easier to find a speed winger with a scoring touch to match with McDonald and Kunitz (or someone else?) to make a scoring line, than it is to deal away McDonald and try to make a scoring line from scratch.

Trading Mac at this point seems unlikely. 1st his current value is greatly deflated by the poor season he's having and its doubtful we'd get much in return for an offensive player who is not currently provided offense.

Plus at some point we will need a line to take some of the pressure off the Getz line and from last year we all know that Andy is quite capable if he has decent linemates.


I think the Sutherby deal is a solid one, he has more ability than he's shown so far in the NHL and we may just have aquired a 15-20 goal man in exchange for a lousy 2nd round draft pick. 2nd rounders suck, we should trade them away every season - heck if Parros is worth a 2nd then the Caps should have got a 2nd and a 3rd for Sutherby!

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