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11-20-2007, 02:31 PM
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Great deal for you guys, on a great player. I've always been a big fan of Getzlaf, going back to his Hitmen days. This is a guy I can see wearing the C in the future for the Ducks.

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11-20-2007, 02:52 PM
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Nice Ranking. No Zetterberg there. He has played center the whole year and Datsyuk has been the left winger.

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11-20-2007, 03:11 PM
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That's just statistically... he's even better than his stats would show! I'm very glad to see he got locked down. We now know who the captain will be after Pronger.

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Are you arguing with me or providing further proof of what I said? Sure sounds like the latter.
Like my last paragraph said, a little more proof for what you said, coupled with my theory that Penner prevented a correction. So both really. Although I guess a correction probably wouldn't have happened this summer anyways, a young kid is going to have to flop first.



The media transcript that cmcd mentioned can be found here:http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?servi...ticleid=343911

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This is an organization that’s been first-class ever since I got here, as well as the city. I’ve had a great time here and look forward to many years playing here. It’s great to be able to still be part of this core group.
Bryzgalov, Jiggy's baby, Fedoruk, even giving replica Cup rings to employees not directly affiliated with the Ducks (Pond employees). All examples of how the team and ownership treats its employees right. Leads to good will when it comes to FAs. No matter what anyone says about Burke, he's extremely classy when it comes to his guys. Maybe not the rest of the league, but he'll treat his guys right.

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11-20-2007, 04:34 PM
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No way Penner inflates the Getzlaf contract. All his agent has to do is point to Rick Nash and his 5 yr/27 million contract signed before the crazy Oiler offer sheets. Lets compare Getlzaf to some other corner stone type player after all.

If anything Getzlaf should be making more than Nash since salaries have inflated since 2005.

I agree with Perry in the 3.1 - 3.5 range, a deal like Dustin Brown signed. Both are top end guys but not corner stone players.
There is no way that Perry signs for less then 4 million. He will at least get what Penner got. I personally think he deserves what Brown makes as well, but he'll get more because he can use Penner's contract as a base. My guess.. around 4.8 million a year.

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Bryzgalov, Jiggy's baby, Fedoruk, even giving replica Cup rings to employees not directly affiliated with the Ducks (Pond employees). All examples of how the team and ownership treats its employees right. Leads to good will when it comes to FAs. No matter what anyone says about Burke, he's extremely classy when it comes to his guys. Maybe not the rest of the league, but he'll treat his guys right.
The Samuelis have a part to play in some of those moves too. Without them I don't think much of the classy moves by Burke would happen.

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11-20-2007, 04:47 PM
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now that is some great news. I was hoping he'd become our sakic. and just be on the team till he retires.

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Bob McKenzie discusses the issues the Ducks have to deal with in retaining Corey Perry:
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There are a myriad of reasons why the Anaheim Ducks are eager to find out whether Scott Niedermayer is coming back to play and now that Ryan Getzlaf has been signed to a five-year contract extension, there's one more:

Corey Perry's long-term future in Anaheim.

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11-20-2007, 05:33 PM
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Call me crazy (and I'm sure some will), but if it came down to it, I'd trade Niedermayer to keep Perry. Of course there's other guys I'd trade before Niedermayer, but between the two it's an easy call in my mind.

He's got the skill, he's got the swagger, and he makes Getzlaf that much better.

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11-20-2007, 05:46 PM
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Call me crazy (and I'm sure some will), but if it came down to it, I'd trade Niedermayer to keep Perry. Of course there's other guys I'd trade before Niedermayer, but between the two it's an easy call in my mind.

He's got the skill, he's got the swagger, and he makes Getzlaf that much better.
Which Neidermayer? Scott or Rob?

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I guess Burke has learned his lesson.

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11-20-2007, 06:46 PM
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Getzlaf's contract is probably back-loaded, I don't know why everybody is assuming he is going to 5.3 million for sure next season. He might be getting 4. Anyways, all we would have to do is buy out or trade Marchant. Perry and Getlzaf are hear to stay.

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Which Neidermayer? Scott or Rob?
Either. I was referring to Scott though, from that Bob McKenzie article.

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11-20-2007, 07:30 PM
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Good job Burke.

Now Perry's turn. Anything under 5 per year I'd be happy with.

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Getzlaf's contract is probably back-loaded, I don't know why everybody is assuming he is going to 5.3 million for sure next season. He might be getting 4.
He's actually getting $4.5 million for '08-09, but that's beside the point - the number that is important is $5,325,000 ... what Getzlaf will actually count against the cap starting next season.

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11-20-2007, 08:31 PM
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He's actually getting $4.5 million for '08-09, but that's beside the point - the number that is important is $5,325,000 ... what Getzlaf will actually count against the cap starting next season.
Just to be argumentative, I suspect that backloading would actually be quite important for the Ducks. Just because we're supposedly a team that has an internal budget less than the cap max. And that I believe the business plan is to grow the fanbase. But that's all just speculation. You're right that that means nothing WRT the cap.

So your sources say the contract is slowly increasing?

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11-20-2007, 08:33 PM
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Just to be argumentative, I suspect that backloading would actually be quite important for the Ducks. Just because we're supposedly a team that has an internal budget less than the cap max. And that I believe the business plan is to grow the fanbase.

So your sources say the contract is slowly increasing?
2008/09 - $2 million signing bonus plus $2.5 million in salary ($4.5 million total)
2009/10 - $5.125 million
2010/11 - $5.125 million
2011/12 - $5.750 million
2012/13 - $6.125 million

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11-20-2007, 10:38 PM
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Good job Burke.

Now Perry's turn. Anything under 5 per year I'd be happy with.
The Ducks will probably need to trade/waive Bertuzzi and move Marchant to sign Perry to a long term contract.

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11-20-2007, 11:11 PM
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This, combined with the Sutherby trade, is a sure sign Marchant is gone. Whether he's dealt, waived, or whatever, I doubt he'll be a Duck next season. So there's $2.5 million gone from the pie. Then, it again depends on Niedermayer. If he decides one more year just isn't enough, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Mathieu Schneider is gone. Schneider is expensive, but his deal is expiring and he's worth every penny. We can probably get a good asset back for him, too. So, there's another $5.6 million gone at least. Then, there's the question of what the cap will be at, and given that not only has the cap gone up by $5 million each year, but that there also should be a huge increase in revenue given that the new Rbk jerseys and some new color schemes/logos throughout the league. If merch sales are a part of that revenue pie, which I would believe to be true, then the cap is surely to go up for next season.

So, let's make some assumptions. Let's say Marchant is indeed not on our roster next year, and let's even say that Niedermayer decides to play out his deal. This is what we're looking at:

Ryan(1.92)-McDonald(3.33)-Bertuzzi(4)
Kunitz(3.75)-Getzlaf(5.25)-Perry(?)
Moen(0.92)-Pahlsson(1.4)-Niedermayer(2)
May(0.6)-Sutherby(0.8*)-Parros(0.55)
Miller(0.75*), Mowers(0.5*)

Niedermayer(6.75)-Beauchemin(1.65)
Pronger(6.25)-O'Donnell(1.25)
Hnidy(0.76)-Huskins(0.63)
DiPenta(0.6*)

Giguere(6)
Hiller(1*)


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That right there brings us to $50.66 million. Now, if the cap does go up by a bit, Perry can be fit in. Also, he doesn't need to sign long term right away with all these deals coming off the books, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a 1 year, 2-3 million arbitration award. And, guys like Bertuzzi can likely be traded or whatever, and Ryan might not make the team and rather be replaced with someone else who's cheaper or whatever. And if Niedermayer retires and Schneider is kept, that's another mil off that right there. So, I wouldn't say we're in cap hell just yet. Especially if the cap goes up to something like $55 million, which wouldn't shock me. Give Burke some time, he's done wonders with this team so far, and he can probably get us out of this one.

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This is nice. Good bit of news to rub in to the King's fan at work.

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I guess Burke has learned his lesson.
What's the lesson? If you are referring back to the Penner incident, I don't really see the connection.

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Congrats to Getzlaf and the Ducks. Well deserved indeed - and a very very fair price for both sides. Getz will definitely be among the top 10 best forwards in the league (if he isn't already).

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11-21-2007, 07:01 PM
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Burke's quote in the newspaper reflects my thoughts on the amount perfectly. "It is astronomical but it’s also the market."

Abstractly, with a 50 million cap, I'd think Getzlaf should get like 4.5 million or so.

Actually, here's a fun exercise. What do you think an "average" distribution should be for a team? It's a lot harder than you would think. Based off the notion that an "average player" should cost about 2 million I came up with this:
6 4.5 3
2.5 2 2
1.5 1 1
0.9 0.8 0.5
0.5  
   
6 4.5  
3 2  
1 0.8  
0.5   
   
5 1  

So Getzlaf is our best forward, but he is young and there's still a (slim) chance he stalls out. To give him 5.3 means you're giving up on having a true #1 if he doesn't pan out.

I'm a little curious to know what other people would see as an ideal salary spread.

After reading the transcript of Burke's conference call, I finally understand now how Niedermayer is preventing a Perry midseason extension. At first I thought it was just because he needs to know if he has the money. But he's actually downright prevented from signing Perry yet because you still have to be under the future cap to sign an extension. And since Niedermayer's salary counts next year (it's still "tagged" just like how we can't use his salary now), we do not have enough "untagged" cap space to sign Perry.

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There is no way that Perry signs for less then 4 million. He will at least get what Penner got. I personally think he deserves what Brown makes as well, but he'll get more because he can use Penner's contract as a base. My guess.. around 4.8 million a year.
Yup...I totaly agree.

Perry is actualy outplaying Getz so far this season too.

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