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11-23-2007, 08:51 PM
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Why no room for enforcers in HHOF?

I seriously think that all aspects of the game should be included in the HHOF. Tiger Williams in my humble opinion deserves a spot there... Bob Probert too. My kinda guys who make hockey hockey

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11-23-2007, 10:39 PM
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It would be a bit odd to have people in the HHOF for excelling at things that are illegal in the game. Should there be a category for best tripper, too?

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Yep, the requirements for the HOF need to be loosened up. That way every body who ever played can get it.

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While a fight can indirectly help a team win a game it isnt the sole reason. A fight will give another team a spark but it wont force that team to put the puck in the net. The guy that actually does it will be the better player. Fighting has its place but as much as I love Bob Probert I wouldnt put him in the Hall of Fame. Pierre Turgeon deserves it more than him. Why? He was a better player. Not that Probert was a bad player but being great at his role didnt make him a great player.

Craig Ludwig was better than anyone at blocking shots but he wasnt a GREAT player. Bill Barber perfected the swan dive, but he got into the Hall of Fame because he was a great player on championship teams. All of these things are assets but none are as valuable as a Hart Trophy winner or a 50 goal scorer or a Vezina Trophy winner. That is what a great player is.

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There's plenty of room for enforcers, provided they add 500 goals to their fighting prowess. The HOF is for skilled players, not guys that can beat up a lot of players. I like a good fight as much as the next guy, but the enforcers don't belong in the Hall.

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I think that if he would have played 600 more game, scored 300 or 400 more points and would have brought a cup to either Philly or Chicago, Behn Wilson could have been the closer to the HHOF.

Whether he was an enforcer or not remains discutable, however.

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Yep, the requirements for the HOF need to be loosened up. That way every body who ever played can get it.
You mean it's not that way already?

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I seriously think that all aspects of the game should be included in the HHOF. Tiger Williams in my humble opinion deserves a spot there... Bob Probert too. My kinda guys who make hockey hockey
Because 15-goal/300 PIM 3rd-liners are not 'great players' whom championship teams are built around. Being able to play a minor role well does not qualify you for HHOF status. What's next, Yanic Perreault for HHOF because he was the greatest faceoff specialist ever? Good grief ...

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The last time I checked fighting is against the rules.

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I seriously think that all aspects of the game should be included in the HHOF. Tiger Williams in my humble opinion deserves a spot there... Bob Probert too. My kinda guys who make hockey hockey
There isn't even room for great defensive players like Carboneau.

One dimensional players don't belong in the hall. I'd rather see them remove one dimensional scorers than add new acceptable one dimensions.

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There isn't even room for great defensive players like Carboneau.

One dimensional players don't belong in the hall. I'd rather see them remove one dimensional scorers than add new acceptable one dimensions.
They should add Ron Duguay in the HHOF for the Playboy dimension.

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It would be a bit odd to have people in the HHOF for excelling at things that are illegal in the game. Should there be a category for best tripper, too?
lol great post!

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It would be a bit odd to have people in the HHOF for excelling at things that are illegal in the game. Should there be a category for best tripper, too?


Well said.

No room for fighters in the game of hockey, let alone in the HOF.

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No room for fighters in the game of hockey,
Bite your tongue.

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I'm with you, but we're alone.

Are you crediting them for being good fighters? Or good players who fight? If the first, then why not Kocur for HHOF? If the latter, why not Guerin for HHOF? Can of worms ...
Longevity has to be taken into consideration.

Not just someone that came in for a couple of years. We want goons, but who could take more than just a shift to bash people in. No Guerin's or anyone like that.

We want the Dave "the Hammer" Schultz, Dave "Tiger" Williams, Chris "Knuckles" Nilan. Not just pure goons, they had other uses for their teams.

Maybe have a wing for the super pests too. The Claude Lemieux, Dale Hunter, Ken Linseman.

Na Lady Bings in this HOF.

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We want the Dave "the Hammer" Schultz, Dave "Tiger" Williams, Chris "Knuckles" Nilan. Not just pure goons, they had other uses for their teams.
And those other uses get them not but 4th line ice time.

The HHoF should be for players capable of leading their team to the cup. Not for people who win lots of fights.

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As it stands now, the only 2 that would ever be considered would be o'reilly and probert.Jiggs,it's people like you who make figure skateing a great sport.Fighting will never leave hockey!

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Because the HHoF is for players that have hockey skills (HHoF type skills) other than enforcing.

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As it stands now, the only 2 that would ever be considered would be o'reilly and probert.Jiggs,it's people like you who make figure skateing a great sport.Fighting will never leave hockey!
I'd really accept Behn Wilson before those two guys...

There are guys with EXTREMELY high PIM's in the hHOF (especially if we adjust those PIMs with games played and era). Joe Hall and Tom Dunderdale are the first that comes to mind. This said, I don't think they can be considered enforcers at all...

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I'd really accept Behn Wilson before those two guys...

There are guys with EXTREMELY high PIM's in the hHOF (especially if we adjust those PIMs with games played and era). Joe Hall and Tom Dunderdale are the first that comes to mind. This said, I don't think they can be considered enforcers at all...
Gotta love big behn,i have him ranked no#2 alltime but he didn't have the numbers that taz and probert had as far as points.

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Gotta love big behn,i have him ranked no#2 alltime but he didn't have the numbers that taz and probert had as far as points.
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Euh, Pierre Turgeon has more points than Bobby Orr...

In other words : Don't compare points of a D-Men to points of a fowards. Especially if the said D-Men has like 25 less points than the forward, despite having played 330 less games.

And Behn had more point during his best season than Bob did. Okay, only one point, but then again, one was a D-Men playing on a defensive team and the other was a forward playing on a far more offense-oriented squad.

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Euh, Pierre Turgeon has more points than Bobby Orr...
Are we on the same page here? Goons?What does orr have to do with anything?

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Are we on the same page here? Goons?What does orr have to do with anything?
It has to do with the argument that a player who has less points than another one should be in the Hall before the other.

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As it stands now, the only 2 that would ever be considered would be o'reilly and probert.Jiggs,it's people like you who make figure skateing a great sport.Fighting will never leave hockey!


There are anger management courses available in many cities. You should look into one of them!

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There are anger management courses available in many cities. You should look into one of them!
lolol!!I'll stop watching hockey if they take fighting out as well as millions of other fans.If it ever happens,the nhl will be back to six teams like before and ran 100% out of canada.

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