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10-17-2013, 02:10 PM
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Alex Goligoski

To start i think this was the stupidest trade. it costed us James Neal whose stats speak for himself understood he plays with one of the best players in the game but still. and Matt Niskanen who i think is a better dman then goligoski.

But my question is do you think Goligoski would improve if we moved him from a dman to a winger, he has offensive talent and he is a great skater to me he just lacks the defensive side of things.

Reason i bring this up is we play San Jose tonight and they moved burns from d to wing.

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10-17-2013, 02:47 PM
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Welcome to the board.

No I don't think he'd be a good winger. He's hardly physical enough to sustain a forecheck and his hockey IQ is pretty low for a skilled forward.

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10-17-2013, 03:54 PM
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Neal reached his peak in Dallas with Loui and Richards and he was the piece that the team was willing to sacrifice for a attacking D-man.. No point of talking about the trade now.

Goligoski certainly hasn't lived up anybodys expectations but I think last season he showed some signs that he could become that 40+pts player that we taught him to be..

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10-17-2013, 03:58 PM
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In a more general D discussion, I think that all of our defenseman would look different with a real top pairing veteran guy. It just seems to settle a unit as a whole. When Norstrom was here Grossman and Fistric looked like solid defenseman. After he left, not so much. I think one legit top pairing defenseman really changes a unit in unexpected ways.

Tough to say what Goose would be with a stud to lean on. He certainly can't carry the load. More of a complementary player. Complementing a turd is still a turd however.

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10-17-2013, 04:18 PM
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His offensive contributions typically come from distributing the puck on a rush up the ice when he has time to find a cutting forward, or from being the late man coming in behind the play to create an odd-man situation.

These aren't the sort of things that are going to be available to a forward very often. A D that you want to convert to a forward is going to need to be able to carry the puck and be dangerous on his own, go in hard on the forecheck, win puck battles, etc.

Daley plays more of a forward's game than Goligoski, but you don't want to convert Daley since he's not a disaster in his own zone.

Goligoski just needs to be "converted" into a sheltered 3rd pairing PP specialist, that's all.

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10-17-2013, 05:37 PM
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Goligoski just needs to be "converted"* into a sheltered 3rd pairing PP specialist, that's all.


*accepted for what he is


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10-17-2013, 05:53 PM
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His offensive contributions typically come from distributing the puck on a rush up the ice when he has time to find a cutting forward, or from being the late man coming in behind the play to create an odd-man situation.

These aren't the sort of things that are going to be available to a forward very often. A D that you want to convert to a forward is going to need to be able to carry the puck and be dangerous on his own, go in hard on the forecheck, win puck battles, etc.

Daley plays more of a forward's game than Goligoski, but you don't want to convert Daley since he's not a disaster in his own zone.

Goligoski just needs to be "converted" into a sheltered 3rd pairing PP specialist, that's all.
What leads you to believe that? Is it his horribly weak and impotent shot or is it his non-existent vision and pathetic passing?

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10-17-2013, 06:02 PM
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What leads you to believe that? Is it his horribly weak and impotent shot or is it his non-existent vision and pathetic passing?
OK? He certainly doesn't have a weak wrist shot. If you're saying he has a weak slap shot from the point, well, that's a pretty Dman-specific skill, isn't it? Daley can rush the puck through neutral ice, take the blueline with speed, work the puck behind the net, cycle, battle in corners, etc. All things that forwards need to do. Which is the reason people have been wondering if he could be converted to forward for time immemorial. I don't think that would be a good move either, but it's somewhat more logical than Goligoski doing so.

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10-17-2013, 07:00 PM
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As a forward Daley would be the elusive Wandell-Vincour hybrid: speed without any sort of goalscoring

Burns has a physical skillset that can be useful to both wingers and defensemen, and Daley with his speed comes the closest to that of current Stars defensemen IMO.

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10-17-2013, 07:05 PM
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OK? He certainly doesn't have a weak wrist shot. If you're saying he has a weak slap shot from the point, well, that's a pretty Dman-specific skill, isn't it? Daley can rush the puck through neutral ice, take the blueline with speed, work the puck behind the net, cycle, battle in corners, etc. All things that forwards need to do. Which is the reason people have been wondering if he could be converted to forward for time immemorial. I don't think that would be a good move either, but it's somewhat more logical than Goligoski doing so.
I'm saying that his shot is weak in every measurable facet. Wrist shot, slap shot, it doesn't matter. It just boggles my mind that anyone, especially a knowledgeable hockey fan such as yourself, could possibly think that the guy has the skill set that could successfully translate to the wing. He doesn't have the shot to be a goal scorer, he doesn't have passing ability or the vision to be a playmaker, he's not physical enough to be an effective forechecker and he doesn't think the game fast enough to maintain the cycle. The one thing he has is speed but that skill is almost useless when you lack in every other area.

The guy is a spare. He's been a spare defenseman on one of the leagues most spare defensive teams for almost a decade now. He's one of the gaggle of sub-par "tweener" defenseman that plagues this team and I can't wait until he's gone.

With that being said, Goligoski makes him look like Bobby Orr.

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10-17-2013, 07:14 PM
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... I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying he has more attributes that could apply to forward than Goligoski does. His wrist shot is not weak. Are you confusing accuracy with power? He gets a lot on it.

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I never quite udnerstood the infatuation every team's fanbase has with converting D-men to forwards. There's only 1-2 examples of it working well, and in each case the player in question (Buff, Burns) had previous experience as a forward or just a projectable build.

For all his warts, Goose is more valuable to this team as a PMD 25-30 point guy than he his a soft, skilled forward who wouldn't quite be skilled enough to play in the top 6. You can find guys like that on the waiver wire anytime you want. 30 point D-men are a bit harder.

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I never quite udnerstood the infatuation every team's fanbase has with converting D-men to forwards. There's only 1-2 examples of it working well, and in each case the player in question (Buff, Burns) had previous experience as a forward or just a projectable build.

For all his warts, Goose is more valuable to this team as a PMD 25-30 point guy than he his a soft, skilled forward who wouldn't quite be skilled enough to play in the top 6. You can find guys like that on the waiver wire anytime you want. 30 point D-men are a bit harder.
Don't forget Sydor. DON'T YOU EVER FORGET SYDOR!

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Seriously though. Daley's wrister is plenty strong IMO. It is the high and the wide that is a problem.
His slapper doesn't warrant conversation.

Say what you want about Daley, but he does win battles and has the speed to skate the puck out and then back teams up. That alone makes him valuable. I don't think he is a first pairing guy but i don't think of him as a spare either. He is has been exceptional at 2-on-1's. Not sure why he always gets the hate around here. He is the absolute least of our problems on D.

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If Daley had the hockey IQ or the shot to make something happen after backing guys up he'd be so much better. Oh well, never gonna happen.

This team's defense really fell apart after Zubov and Norstrom left and Boucher declined. I'm pretty sure that not a single d-man that has come through since has been as good as any of the 3 while they were playing here. There's the problem, and it's the reason why Goligoski just won't be any good.

I still find it absolutely baffling that he was so good for us when the trade happened and so awful after the season ended. He put up monster numbers when he got here, he was dynamic and he looked really good. He completely lost his mojo and has never gotten it back. The Dallas Stars broke him and a coaching change will likely do nothing to fix that.

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Guys, i've got it.
Daley is basically Robocop after he gets his aim all jacked up by the giant robot and ambushed by 5-0.
Someone get a hold of Nancy Allen ASAP.

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Guys, i've got it.
Daley is basically Robocop after he gets his aim all jacked up by the giant robot and ambushed by 5-0.
Someone get a hold of Nancy Allen ASAP.

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If Daley had the hockey IQ...
yeah dude. we all been feelin that one for years.

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He's a lazy sack of ****. /thread

Connauton is the one you want as a winger if you do that.

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He's a lazy sack of ****. /thread

Connauton is the one you want as a winger if you do that.
Don't agree with the first thing, but the 2nd is absolutely right, though i am PRAYING that he works out as a d-man.

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I still find it absolutely baffling that he was so good for us when the trade happened and so awful after the season ended. He put up monster numbers when he got here, he was dynamic and he looked really good. He completely lost his mojo and has never gotten it back. The Dallas Stars broke him and a coaching change will likely do nothing to fix that.
Lots of confidence due to a clicking powerplay led by Richards.

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Lots of confidence due to a clicking powerplay led by Richards.
Gogo's revival will make Richard's return to Dallas all the sweeter.

And shout-out to whoever got a hold of Nancy Allen.
Everything seems to be in order with Daley again.

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This team's defense really fell apart after Zubov and Norstrom left and Boucher declined. I'm pretty sure that not a single d-man that has come through since has been as good as any of the 3 while they were playing here.
I would agree with this.

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The Dallas Stars broke him and a coaching change will likely do nothing to fix that.
I wouldn't say the Stars broke him. He was sheltered in Pittsburgh and all of his deficiencies became obvious when he was leaned on to be the top pairing defenseman management hoped he would be. If you put him back on Pittsburgh he would look a lot better than he does here because of how he would be used.

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Oopsie.
Spoke too soon.
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Goligoski sucks and he needs to be scratched. For several games in a row. Punish him hard for the way he's played, its awful. Why can't he play like he did the first season he was here.

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If Daley had the hockey IQ or the shot to make something happen after backing guys up he'd be so much better. Oh well, never gonna happen.
Daley would likely be a top 2 defensemen with even slightly better hockey IQ. An amazing skating defensemen with great positioning? Imagine what he could do if he had above-average hockey IQ instead of mediocre.

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Neal reached his peak in Dallas with Loui and Richards and he was the piece that the team was willing to sacrifice for a attacking D-man.. No point of talking about the trade now.

Goligoski certainly hasn't lived up anybodys expectations but I think last season he showed some signs that he could become that 40+pts player that we taught him to be..
He's always been a 40 point player. He averages over 40 pts per 82 games for his career. How many points he ends up with isn't the issue.

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