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11-30-2007, 08:23 PM
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Byfuglien CHI D What's his story?

See he has a hat trick tonight, is he real good, hes a defensivemen playing offense now? Or is this just an experiment with your lines?

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11-30-2007, 08:28 PM
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He's playing D... He's got one of the best slapshots in the league... He can become a pretty good... Pretty big PP QB in the future...

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Didn't he used to be a complete fat ass linebacker in junior hockey in Prince George?

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dustin was huge during his junior years.. he wasn't the quickest nor the most talented but his size was unstoppable which led to him being fairly successful on a struggling prince george team

yes he did struggle with his weight and skating.. but he always had alot of potential due to his immense size

if he can get his skating in order, he'll be a dominant Dman

would i call him a PP QB at this point? no.. frankly i think the hawks have better Dmen for the job.. but his slapshot does warrant giving him PP time

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so they did play him on defense tonight?

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Yes he played defense. He played forward only because we were so short on the west coast road trip due to the flu going through the team. He's a defenseman. It's wasn't an experiment. We were really short players at the time.

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Bubba's story is that he is awesome

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Imagine a guy as big or bigger than Bertuzzi with the same soft hands, minus the mean streak but add in a Sami Salo like Slap shot.

Put that player on the blueline, and that's bubba.

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There is a real question as to whether or not the hockey sense is there to be a great in his own end. There is also a question as to whether or not he has the work ethic to sustain a high level of play for multiple years. He absolutely cannot play if he gets stuck in his own end over a minute...


I'm not trying to say byfuglien is >>> than Pronger or anything crazy. But he is a unique unique talent. Holes in his game, but unique talent.

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I think Bubba has proved his work ethic right now. And he's 250lbs of PURE AWESOME.

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Good luck to Dustin and the Hawks, you guys sure looked great tonight.

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yah the guy like defines "project"

he's a real project...wierd, powerful, untame tool box

but a lot of potential if it's every properly harnessed

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Dustin Byfuglien.... scored natural hat-trick and Tuomo Scored 2 goal! It seems that threre is some nice things going on in Chicago. Good luck Blackhaws... you guys deserve it.

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12-01-2007, 07:54 AM
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Byfuglien:

Big, very strong. Hits like Scott Stevens, but (as someone else pointed out) not as much of a mean streak. He broke three of Dallas Drake's ribs last year and knocked out Dick Tarnstrom the other night on clean hits.

Has very good hands and offensive instincts. Might not be a "true" PP QB, but he is definitely a first pairing PP point man, no doubt. Possesses a 100 MPH per hour shot and has tremendous accuracy. Very good on the 1-timer and has a good wrister too. Knows when to pinch and can deke guys and use opposing d-men as natural screens.

On the negative side, he is only an average skater and does not move well laterally. This leads to being beaten on the outside by fast skaters in his own end. To wit, Peter Mueller last night. Though Byfuglien lost an edge, he was already beaten.

This is why I disagree with Stuy. I think he could end up being a great 3rd line PF/PP specialist. Sort of a bigger, more physical Jason Williams. I think the Hawks should find a way to get him on the ice more than as a third pairing d-man, which is why he might end up as a forward.

Just my .02.

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What are you guys talking about? Bubba is #1 PP point man. He is. He will be for a long time for what Jaeckel just said. If they move him from the point, that would be a mistake on their part. Bubba is a pretty good skater (give it to me), but you're right in his lateral movement. He seems to float on the ice, which is amazing due to his weight. This guy was a beast in youth hockey, this guy is a beast in the NHL

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Byfuglien:

Big, very strong. Hits like Scott Stevens, but (as someone else pointed out) not as much of a mean streak. He broke three of Dallas Drake's ribs last year and knocked out Dick Tarnstrom the other night on clean hits.

Has very good hands and offensive instincts. Might not be a "true" PP QB, but he is definitely a first pairing PP point man, no doubt. Possesses a 100 MPH per hour shot and has tremendous accuracy. Very good on the 1-timer and has a good wrister too. Knows when to pinch and can deke guys and use opposing d-men as natural screens.

On the negative side, he is only an average skater and does not move well laterally. This leads to being beaten on the outside by fast skaters in his own end. To wit, Peter Mueller last night. Though Byfuglien lost an edge, he was already beaten.

This is why I disagree with Stuy. I think he could end up being a great 3rd line PF/PP specialist. Sort of a bigger, more physical Jason Williams. I think the Hawks should find a way to get him on the ice more than as a third pairing d-man, which is why he might end up as a forward.

Just my .02.
Agree with you about his strengths and weakness's, but disagree that he should play forward. Good positioning on defense can take care of his lack of lateral movement, where as on forward he has trouble keeping up with the play becuase of the constant change in direction. He may be good in front of the net, but that is not enough to warrant playing forward. I like him much more on D.

I also might add, that although balance and lateral movement may be his weakness at the moment, there is no reason to think those things can't improve with time, maturity and experience and if it were me, that is what I would be banking on as an organization with him on Defense.

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He is a #1 Defenseman on the power play... he's also shown that he is an above average stick handler and is an offensive threat be in on the power play or 5 on 5. He's good at leading the rush up ice and can make effective passes when doing so. I was very happy for him last night. He still needs to work on his skating and defensive zone coverage, but he has played very well since being call up from Rockford.

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Hey TopShelf,

A buddy of mine knows Bubba real well; basically discovered him in the USHL, talks to his Mom quite a bit. Small world, eh?

I DON'T DISAGREE that he can go work with a guy like Charles Poliquin in the off-season and improve his lateral movement. And some improvement there would definitely help him as a d-man. That said, he could be a beast as a 3rd line power forward (while still playing the point on the PP) because of his defensive abilities.

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Buffer is in the best shape hes ever been in. In a recent interview (Haviland?), it was said Byfuglien made a commitment in the off season to conditioning and it has showed in his play this year. Buff admitted he got winded late in games and he has hit the off season training hard this year. Shed weight (from 270lb at PG) and improved his mobility although as JJ and other have pointed out, this is still limited especially laterally.

As far as whether to use him at forward or D, thats open to debate. At forward, because of his size, the ideal position is to play him as an immovable object in front of the net but hes been most effective so far from the point because of his heavy and accurate slapper (the Hawks have also used another forward Willams at this position). On defense, hes huge and strong. Can stand guys up coming across the blueline and the Hawks do not really have a super physical dman outside of Buffer. In most cases, he can neutralize other teams big forwards. Problem is the smaller quick guys or being caught out of position, e.g. Mueller, and which will happen to most dmen at times - happened to Vandermeer the other night against St Louis. That comes with positioning and since hes only had 34 NHL games prior to this year, hes still basically in his first year and still on a learning curve. Because of the Hawks relative weakness on D, IMO I keep him there. His physicality and strength in the d zone have been huge. There will be times when he may cost a goal but his size and strength he brings every game more than compensate for that as long as hes playing and positioning himself well and with experience, hopefully the defensive positioning will get much better. Hes been stellar this year.

As long as hes stays on his conditioning regimen, he'll be fine. If however he ever falls off his conditioning program, it could be bad.

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Judging my his last name I always figured he was Russian. Interesting player..

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Buffer is in the best shape hes ever been in. In a recent interview (Haviland?), it was said Byfuglien made a commitment in the off season to conditioning and it has showed in his play this year. Buff admitted he got winded late in games and he has hit the off season training hard this year. Shed weight (from 270lb at PG) and improved his mobility although as JJ and other have pointed out, this is still limited especially laterally.

As far as whether to use him at forward or D, thats open to debate. At forward, because of his size, the ideal position is to play him as an immovable object in front of the net but hes been most effective so far from the point because of his heavy and accurate slapper (the Hawks have also used another forward Willams at this position). On defense, hes huge and strong. Can stand guys up coming across the blueline and the Hawks do not really have a super physical dman outside of Buffer. In most cases, he can neutralize other teams big forwards. Problem is the smaller quick guys or being caught out of position, e.g. Mueller, and which will happen to most dmen at times - happened to Vandermeer the other night against St Louis. That comes with positioning and since hes only had 34 NHL games prior to this year, hes still basically in his first year and still on a learning curve. Because of the Hawks relative weakness on D, IMO I keep him there. His physicality and strength in the d zone have been huge. There will be times when he may cost a goal but his size and strength he brings every game more than compensate for that as long as hes playing and positioning himself well and with experience, hopefully the defensive positioning will get much better. Hes been stellar this year.

As long as hes stays on his conditioning regimen, he'll be fine. If however he ever falls off his conditioning program, it could be bad.


I thought I saw him listed at 247 lbs, that's a substantial weight loss from 270. I watched him the last couple of nights and even without the hat trick I was impressed.

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270 was his rumored weight at PG (Prince George). Most recently, probably about 250-255 at Norfolk.

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I found this article online... from December 28, 2005

http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...410&ran=166932

Pretty good read I thought

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In most cases, he can neutralize other teams big forwards. Problem is the smaller quick guys or being caught out of position, e.g. Mueller, and which will happen to most dmen at times - happened to Vandermeer the other night against St Louis.
The forwards got caught in transition. He had to make a decision on what to do because was that a 3-on-1? It's not so much his positioning on that play, but his situation at the time.

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Bubba has been playing great on defense. Why fix something that isn't broken? Another thing, if you place him in front of the net as an immovable object, how is he going to utilize his huge slapshot? By having him on the point, he can use both his body and his shot effectively.

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