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01-18-2004, 03:34 PM
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Spots for prospects.

It strikes me that the Habs have at least 6 1st and 2nd line offensive style prospects: Kastsitsyn, Plekanec, Balej, Hossa, Higgins and Perezhogin. We presently have 4 legitimate 1st and 2nd line players: Koivu, Ryder, Zednik, Ribeiro with Dagenais and Bulis doing a good job on the top two lines. So where does Julien play these guys in the next two years? Is it likely that all six prospects will make the club in the next 2 years? Would BG include any of the six in a trade package?

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they won't all be that good in the NHL..... maybe 6 of them will pan out or it's even a possibility that none of them become a real top-6 player....

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they won't all be that good in the NHL..... maybe 6 of them will pan out or it's even a possibility that none of them become a real top-6 player....
That's exactly why it might the right time to pack them and get a top player.

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That's exactly why it might the right time to pack them and get a top player.
NO WAY!!! Wait a couple of years and if everything goes like it should be, we will be a contending team. Higgins look like a sure bet, Kast should be a top two line for sure, Perez should be able to make it because he's a complete player and Balej with his speed should rack up the goals. Hossa at worst could be on a checking line and you can place Plekanec anywhere...Keep these players, they will be good. Maybe not all but they all have the potential to be stars in the league...

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That's exactly why it might the right time to pack them and get a top player.
Perezhogin excelled in Russia at Killing penalities and could do quite a good job on a third line. This is what I have in mind in 2 years from now...

1. Kastsitsyn, Koivu, Ryder
2. Zednik, Ribeiro, Balej
3. Bulis, Higgins, Perezhogin
4. SPOT, Begin, Ward

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01-18-2004, 04:02 PM
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Let's trade them all now, NOW! and get Jagr

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Of course I wasn't talking about Perezhogin, Kastsitsyn, Higgins and Balej

More about Plekanec, Hossa, Beauchemin, Linhart...

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I remember when Gainey came in and Savard was left in charge of the draft I said that is one dangerous combo, and I still stand by that. Savard has a really good eye for young talent while Gainey is a leader and knows what it takes to win.

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Perezhogin excelled in Russia at Killing penalities and could do quite a good job on a third line. This is what I have in mind in 2 years from now...

1. Kastsitsyn, Koivu, Ryder
2. Zednik, Ribeiro, Balej
3. Bulis, Higgins, Perezhogin
4. SPOT, Begin, Ward
I like that lineup but it leaves Urquhart, Lapierre, Ferland, Milroy, Hossa, Plekanec out. It really make you realise how much depth we have. BTW Ferland or Milroy could be on that 4th line.

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That's exactly why it might the right time to pack them and get a top player.
We finally get some depth, and some people want to trade it all away. We're still at least 2-3 years away from doing something like this...

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I like that lineup but it leaves Urquhart, Lapierre, Ferland, Milroy, Hossa, Plekanec out. It really make you realise how much depth we have. BTW Ferland or Milroy could be on that 4th line.
This depth issue was sort of the point of my original post i.e. where does CJ play these guys if most of them pan out? Does the depth we have give BG some options for trading?


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This depth issue was sort of the point of my original post i.e. where does CJ play these guys if most of them pan out? Does the depth we have give BG some opyions for trading?
in the future it might right now we're doing pretty good so these guys wont get a chance to get called up not often/maybe not at all, next year they'll have a chance to crack the line up, after we see what they can bring in trining camp, as for now i dont think they'll be traded not one prospect.

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I remember when Gainey came in and Savard was left in charge of the draft I said that is one dangerous combo, and I still stand by that. Savard has a really good eye for young talent while Gainey is a leader and knows what it takes to win.
Amen brother, your preaching to the choir! Lethal combo is right, not to mention Gauthier and Timmins in the mix too.

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here's what i'm thinking:

Perezhogin-Koivu-Kostsitsyn
Zednik-Ribeiro-Balej
Bulis-Higgins-Ryder
Ferland-Begin-Ward

Komisarek-Hainsey
Brisebois-Souray
Rivet-Markov

Theodore
Damphousse

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here's what i'm thinking:

Perezhogin-Koivu-Kostsitsyn
Zednik-Ribeiro-Balej
Bulis-Higgins-Ryder
Ferland-Begin-Ward

Komisarek-Hainsey
Brisebois-Souray
Rivet-Markov

Theodore
Damphousse
Hmmm... you don't have Garon in your lineup, still there is no other player we would get in a trade

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That's my lineup providing there is no trade for a forward or defenseman.

Now Garon, I think he will be traded with a prospect or pick for a better pick.

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That's my lineup providing there is no trade for a forward or defenseman.

Now Garon, I think he will be traded with a prospect or pick for a better pick.
thank you for the explanation. When do you see this happening. BTW I don't really like to have Damphousse as the back-up.

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Puurla will be in Habland some day I think before Damphousse, damphousse is another Fichaud a Minor League filler to play with the kids like Michaud.

Don't forget about Halek.

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Puurla will be in Habland some day I think before Damphousse, damphousse is another Fichaud a Minor League filler to play with the kids like Michaud.

Don't forget about Halek.
Halak is only 18...he will be looked at to join the HABS when he's like 23... goalies take longer to develop.

Obvisouly if Damphousse doesn't show great signs then Garon would stick around or maybe he will actually get traded but we would sign a backup from the UFA market.

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This depth issue was sort of the point of my original post i.e. where does CJ play these guys if most of them pan out? Does the depth we have give BG some options for trading?
That's pretty much impossible to tell. We could easily create a prospect only line-up if they would all pan out. I don't include guys who are with the Habs presently.

Kastsitsyn-Higgins-Balej
Lambert-Urquhart-Perezhogin
Hossa-Plekanec-Lapierre
Ferland-Milroy-Locke
Bonneau-Stewart

Hainsey-Beauchemin
O'Byrne-Korneev
Archer-Korpikari
Flood

Halak
Michaud

Then you would need to add the youngsters who are with the Habs: Ryder, Ribeiro, Komisarek, Ward, Markov. Add also the quite young veterans: Koivu, Zednik, Bulis, Bégin, Souray and Théo/Garon in net. So, yes it gives alot of options to BG to work with. If most of them pan out there will be so many players. BG could easily pack a few to get what we'll be in need of.

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That's pretty much impossible to tell. We could easily create a prospect only line-up if they would all pan out. I don't include guys who are with the Habs presently.

Kastsitsyn-Higgins-Balej
Lambert-Urquhart-Perezhogin
Hossa-Plekanec-Lapierre
Ferland-Milroy-Locke
Bonneau-Stewart

Hainsey-Beauchemin
O'Byrne-Korneev
Archer-Korpikari
Flood

Halak
Michaud

Then you would need to add the youngsters who are with the Habs: Ryder, Ribeiro, Komisarek, Ward, Markov. Add also the quite young veterans: Koivu, Zednik, Bulis, Bégin, Souray and Théo/Garon in net. So, yes it gives alot of options to BG to work with. If most of them pan out there will be so many players. BG could easily pack a few to get what we'll be in need of.
this has become a fantasy game for some reason.

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I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.

Firstly, not every prospect will pan out. There are no 'sure bet' top six forwards among the team's prospects.

Secondly, by the time some of the prospects pan out (should they reach their potential), it's conceivable that some of the current core may begin to suffer some major injuries that hinder their career, or they have a falling out with management, or they become UFAs and sign elsewhere.

Lastly, on the average team you have two scoring lines, one checking line, and one energy line. In an ideal world where the Habs manage to keep their core intact, and see some of their prospects develop properly, the team could roll three two-way lines and one checking line. This is quite common among the better teams in the league (Detroit in the past, Ottawa, Toronto when healthy, etcetera.)

There is no problems in terms of "too much" depth. I'd say the only prospects that Montreal has among their forwards that are sure fire NHLers are Plekanec and Higgins, and neither are sure fire top six forwards.

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here's what i'm thinking:

Perezhogin-Koivu-Kostsitsyn
Zednik-Ribeiro-Balej
Bulis-Higgins-Ryder
Ferland-Begin-Ward

Komisarek-Hainsey
Brisebois-Souray
Rivet-Markov

Theodore
Damphousse
good lines but may be change Rivest for Korneev, and i don't see what Damphousse is doing there ...and with those lines we don't have Plekanec, Hossa , Ward ,and may be O'neil....wow , what a promasing team .It sure that may be one or two players are going to be deception but , there are also other good promising talents in the chl...


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As good as some of those kids are, many of you are quick to displace Ryder off the first line. I think that there is something to be said about good chemistry, and I would keep Ryder with Koivu even if there are flashier players out there. I would add 1 (one) flashy player, take your pick, until the Koivu-Ryder combination self-destructs.

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were taliking about 3 offensive lines here! that would be amaizing! And as for that spot on the 4th line, it goes to Jimmy Bonneau.

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