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just to be curious i know lots of people have been saying Ribeiro wont establish himself as a good NHLer but this year is doing pretty well.. i mean more than that he as been doing great at his first full season in a decent line. 47-11-26-37 and second on the team with +9 and thats with playing with Dagenais and Zednik who have 18 and 25 pts... I want an opinion from people who arent hab fans, what his your take on Ribeiro now and what do you think he is worth? potentially we are looking for a Big Juicy Center. hehe
but its just for fun because the way i see it Montreal wont trade him anytime soon unless his sentimental value is also included the the value of the trade. Montreal Loves the Montreal multicultural kid.
juast as he starts playing well you want to unload him!!
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just to be curious i know lots of people have been saying Ribeiro wont establish himself as a good NHLer but this year is doing pretty well.. i mean more than that he as been doing great at his first full season in a decent line. 47-11-26-37 and second on the team with +9 and thats with playing with Dagenais and Zednik who have 18 and 25 pts... I want an opinion from people who arent hab fans, what his your take on Ribeiro now and what do you think he is worth? potentially we are looking for a Big Juicy Center. hehe
but its just for fun because the way i see it Montreal wont trade him anytime soon unless his sentimental value is also included the the value of the trade. Montreal Loves the Montreal multicultural kid.
He won't fetch much from any team as he is still unproven, Miontreals best solution would be to keep him, why trade away young asset when CBA is looming next year.
He is definately one of the best young guys out there. With his play this season he is already worth a late first rounder. If he maintains his level of play no way Montreal ever thinks of dealing him unless they are overpayed.
come on.. if you're going to use sarcasm, at least give us some good sarcasm. He's worth a healthy Lemieux and a 1st rounder. Thornton is just a throw in..
What the hell If you guys can't make good posts why bother??
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he's a first ballot hall-of-famer. the habs are lucky to have him!!
good thing you asked for non-habs fans opinions, or else you'd probably find out that he's worth joe thornton AND a 1st rounder
(Yeah.. I'm a Habs fan)
If you want to rack up posts its your business but why post crap like this, I know Ribeiro ain't worth much now whose arguing that so why the hell all this negative energy, atleast give understandable opinion or don't post at all.
As a hab fan i'll tell you my opinion about Ribeiro, take it or leave it. hehe
I still see a lot of unuse potential, why? this guy as always had a incredible vision i mean not talking Koivu passing vision or Weight passing vision or even Oates, I'm talking a new kind of vision a vision that he couldnt even make his teamates understand he just do things no one would think of, thats the first thing ill come to this a little bit later, now he was and still his a slow skater but he as improved he took so long for him to find a effective way to skate but still is too slow for the NHL standards wich creates a problem for a small player like him.. so so far he isnt anything you want on a 'good' nhler. now what does he make now that make him produce and what makes me believe he has more potential than what he actually is doing?
- he is a smartass kid, he is a guy from the street and as a great respect for him and for his convictions, and his main goal is to be the best he can. wich makes him a player who works on all his weakness.
- he as been working hard and learning pretty fast, players dont have to adjust to his weird and exceptional passing vision, HE is adapting to them wich is making a big difference, just look at his stats, he isnt playing with good player there. yes Zednik is and is mainly just a 25-30 goal scorer and the other one is Dagenais wich is a depth player with a great shot and long time junior partner. still is putting the numbers and even the +/- is there.
- he as been working on ways to catch up for his weakness, like the puck control and puck protection, and has been learning a lot by seeing Koivu wich is a master of doing so even if a small player. a la ribeiro. that as been making a huge difference because in the past ribeiro was knock off the puck easily in the boards, not anymore Ribeiro most of the time finnishes with the puck and can then make a nice pass to whoever is available.
- his attitude, this guy is no loser he wont tolerate defeat and will do anything he need to become better he also wont get intimidate by anyone wich make his potential bigger.
all this to tell you one thing, Ribeiro is good not great yet but might become a 80-90pts player if he reaches is full potential. he was destroying the league when he didnt even give his 100% in the LHJMQ. he did score 167pts in 67 games. hehe there isnt much player who could do that. he takes time to become productive in the NHL when you are slow and small. but some special players can overcome that, will he be one of those, i believe he will, time will tell.
anyway hehe thats my take on him. i do believe I'm right
If you want to rack up posts its your business but why post crap like this, I know Ribeiro ain't worth much now whose arguing that so why the hell all this negative energy, atleast give understandable opinion or don't post at all.
awwwwwwww, come on. you'd take pot shots at the bruins if you had the chance too...don't deny it
in all seriousness, ribeiro is ok- nothing special IMO. he should probably put on about 20 pounds of muscle and not be such a pansy. he has good skills.
It's pretty ironic because during last season people were tossing around his name as a secondary piece in a deal for Kapanen when his name started coming up. Funny how things change in less than half a season.
I'd give up maybe Josef Vasicek for him. I think that would probably be the extent of it from my perspective. He's a solid player just like Ribeiro and has had trouble with consistancy as well. I think they're pretty comperable.
he's a first ballot hall-of-famer. the habs are lucky to have him!!
good thing you asked for non-habs fans opinions, or else you'd probably find out that he's worth joe thornton AND a 1st rounder
Haha, that one actually made me laugh out loud.
As for Ribeiro's value, I don't think its determinable at this time. While he's always been a slick passer with great vision of the ice, I was bigger than him when I was 16. I saw a picture of him and Garon in today's edition of the Metro (only Montrealers will probably know what this is) and he was tiny; the jersey looked ridiculous on him. Does he have the strength and endurance to withstand the rigors of an 82 game schedule? That's still to be determined.
I remember the first time I caught a game with Ribeiro playing he scored one of the nicest goals I saw all year(I think it was against Florida, last season). The kid has always had big, big upside but lacked a lot of consistency and drive. He really seems to have put it together this year and is definitely making a case for his value to the organization. But like some have said, he needs to show that he can keep playing with that consistency. He still has more untapped potential, in my opinion.
Ask the French media what he's worth they tell you Bertuzzi and Naslund together Last week I actually heard Yvon Pedneault compare elements of Ribeiro's game to Wayne Gretzky. I like Ribs and he is a great passer and has great vision, but its absolutely absurd to compare his skills to Gretz.
Personally, I think he'll develope into a consistant 60-70 point player. If he works on his skating/speed and becomes a little stronger on his skates (he's already shown signs of this) he could be 70-80 opoint guy with the possibility of a 90 point season. Problem is he's never really listened to advice and hasn't really focused on improving his weaknesses....he's always taken the attitude that he's good enough as is and doesn't need to work on other areas of his game - thats a common criticism for alot of guys who are blessed with natural tallent. I think he'll be the type of player who will effortlessly put up *good* numbers but won't ever do all the extras to become the true impact player that he's capable of being.
Alot of what type of player he ends up being will depend on who his wingers are...he needs some who can finish his passed (in the long run Dagenais isn't the guy) and more importantly a two way power forward type of player who can create some room on the ice, stand in front of the net, dig the puck out of the corners, be a physical presence etc. maybe Ryder can develope into this type of player?
Personally, I think he'll develope into a consistant 60-70 point player. If he works on his skating/speed and becomes a little stronger on his skates (he's already shown signs of this) he could be 70-80 opoint guy with the possibility of a 90 point season. Problem is he's never really listened to advice and hasn't really focused on improving his weaknesses....he's always taken the attitude that he's good enough as is and doesn't need to work on other areas of his game - thats a common criticism for alot of guys who are blessed with natural tallent. I think he'll be the type of player who will effortlessly put up *good* numbers but won't ever do all the extras to become the true impact player that he's capable of being.
Totally agree with what you said. Mike Ribeiro is currently in the top 10 playmakers of the NHL, if it's not top 5. He's an average goal scorer, should be in the 20-25 goals range. He's not fast, average speed, but he's has a great pair of hands, can deke almost every one in the league(See that goal in '01 vs 'Nucks, completly shift Jovo...). He has improved his defensive play, but still need to work on it. His main weakness is his strenght...
His current value isn't as high as Habs' fans think. Ribeiro will stay in Montreal.
Top 10 playmaker in the NHL right now? I think you are overestimating his passing skills a bit.
watch him play and you'll see .. the best way to control him is to crush him into the boards.. if you let him some time he'll create a scoring chance(by a deke move or an awesome pass ..) why you guys think dagenais as 12 goals this year ??
if ribeiro can get stronger and faster he'll be an awesome player !!
Didn't Mike Ribeiro break a record of Mario Lemieux's on the QMJHL?
~Canucklehead~
i also remember hearing about this i think 98-99 season he broke it, im not sure which record it waz but it defonaitly wasnt for points (1998-99 Rouyn-Noranda QMJHL 69 67 100 167 +50 137) his penalty minutes are surprisingly high, and a +50.
he's a pure finesse player with average speed below average size, lacks a bit of intensity, not great in the defencive zone. those are basically his flaws, he tries to get to pretty sometimes for nhl standards.
but and this is a huge BUT, his offencive instincs are xtreamly high, he would have been a 100 point man easy if he played in the 1980's.
but he'll only be a 70 points max producer if he doesnt bulk up and fix certain flaws he has.
the good news about him is his work ethic this year has imrpoved greatly, and he's gotten much smarter on the ice. if he realizes how much better he can be if he works on his flaws he'll be a 80 + point man in this league.
1 things for sure he shows traices of briliance on the ice every once in a while.
lots of habs fans and media over hype him but just the same amount is also very critical of his defencive game.
give him 2 years if he improves his skating he'll be very hard to contain, and if he's giving enough time in the offencive zone he'll creat a scoring chance every shift.
I think the jury's still out on Ribeiro. I am a Habs Fan and have been skeptical in the past on whether Ribeiro would live up to some lofty expectations because despite all the skill he possesses, he is slow and small, which to me is a bad combo to have in order to make the NHL as a regular. Happily, he is proving me wrong this year, however, this is still the regular season. If the Habs make the playoffs, I want to see how he performs when the checking (aka clutching and grabbing) gets intense. Personally, and again I hope I am wrong, I think he will struggle. Then there is going to be the consistency question, can he repeat this next season (if there is a next season)
My guess is that he is the type of player Gainey will trade when his value is maximum because he does not fit the mold of a Gainey player.
He won't fetch much from any team as he is still unproven, Miontreals best solution would be to keep him, why trade away young asset when CBA is looming next year.
I agree with this view. Right now he's not the type of guy you deal. He's a young center currently playing as the Habs #2 and playing well on a team the looks like it will make the playoffs. If the Habs where to move him it would have to be for another young guy who the really like or prehaps for a vet they think could help them take the east if they are still close by the deadline.
would gauthier for ribiero do? calgary could use him.
Nope. Our #2 center is not up for trade at this point for a D...I would guess BG would only deal him in a deal where we get back a similar offensive player with some size.
However this summer he could be available if Habs feel Higgins or Plekanec can step in and produce decent offensive numbers.
