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12-04-2007, 02:24 PM
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The most underrated goal scorer of all-time?

My picks:

Rick Vaive

441 goals in 876 games and 27 goals in 54 playoff games.

Alexander Maltsev

Soviet Union national team 213 goals in 321 games (Soviet Union's national team all-time leading goal scorer)

329 goals in 529 games (Soviet Union's league)


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12-04-2007, 02:47 PM
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Just couple comments about Maltsev.

1. He was excellent playmaker as well.
2. He played for Dynamo Moscow (not for Red Army).

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12-04-2007, 02:49 PM
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Peter Bondra, was always at the top of the league in goals and was a anual snub from the all star team. and now it looks like may miss out on HOF. Not much respect for a top 5 sniper of the 90s

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12-04-2007, 02:52 PM
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Gordie Howe.

People really have no concept how he dominated the game. Take a look at Howe from 1950-53 and see how much better he was than anyone else in the game - that includes Rocket Richard in his prime.

Howe was the greatest goal scorer of all time. Only Bobby Hull was close and he might have passed Howe if he had played his entire career in the NHL.


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12-04-2007, 03:40 PM
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Peter Bondra, was always at the top of the league in goals and was a anual snub from the all star team. and now it looks like may miss out on HOF. Not much respect for a top 5 sniper of the 90s
Not this again. Look I think Bondra gets a lot of props as a goal scorer. But that's all there was to his game. You cant get 34 goals and 9 assists in the lockout year and end up as a post season all-star. At RW that year was Fleury and Jagr ahead of him and deservedly so. He should not be in the Hall of Fame because there was never a time in history where he was among the NHL's elite.

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12-04-2007, 04:10 PM
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Now this one has to be Mike Gartner...without a doubt the most underrated goal scorer, 708 career goals, and still people shake their head when you mention his name!

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12-04-2007, 04:11 PM
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I don't think nearly enough people respect how good at goal scoring Brett Hull was.
The man has over 700 goals, 3 years of over 70 goals, 12 seasons over 30 goals which include a span of 6 seasons where he scored over 40 every year.

Brett Hull is certainly worth mentioning with the best.

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12-04-2007, 04:21 PM
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Now this one has to be Mike Gartner...without a doubt the most underrated goal scorer, 708 career goals, and still people shake their head when you mention his name!
DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!

I agree, Mike Gartner is one of the less known goal scorers of all time. 708 goals is a hell of alot and still many dont know who he was.

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My picks:

Rick Vaive

441 goals in 876 games and 27 goals in 54 playoff games.

Alexander Maltsev

Soviet Union national team 213 goals in 321 games (Soviet Union's national team all-time leading goal scorer)

329 goals in 529 games (Soviet Union's league)
Maltsev underrated? Half of kid's in USSR had poster with him. He was a superstar, better than Kharlamov.

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12-04-2007, 04:43 PM
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Maltsev underrated? Half of kid's in USSR had poster with him. He was a superstar, better than Kharlamov.
Why he isn't in the HHOF? Because he is underrated.

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12-04-2007, 04:57 PM
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He's not the greatest goal scorer of all-time but Dave Andreychuk scored alot of goals in his playing days and I never hear his named mentioned.

I'm not sure the exact stats but I believe Andreychuk is near the top of PP goals scored all-time.

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12-04-2007, 05:07 PM
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Hmmm...How about Dino Ciccarelli ?...over 600 career goals in roughly 1200 games...BTW how many 600 goal scorers arent in the HHOF ?

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12-04-2007, 05:22 PM
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BTW how many 600 goal scorers arent in the HHOF ?
Ciccarelli, Andreychuk, Yzerman, Hull, Shanahan, Robitaille, Sakic, Jagr

(Sundin and possibly Selanne if he returns look like the only guys who could make that club in the near future)


Everyone but Ciccarelli and Andreychuk will make it in, and that's probably the way it should be.

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12-04-2007, 05:30 PM
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Everyone but Ciccarelli and Andreychuk will make it in ( to the HHOF ), and that's probably the way it should be.
I dont know why Dino doesn't deserve to make it ?...BUT...lets hear the arguments against ...

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12-04-2007, 05:33 PM
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Why he isn't in the HHOF? Because he is underrated.
Honestly who ****ing care about this canadian HHOF? Maltsev in top-10 hockey players all-time.

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12-04-2007, 05:46 PM
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Honestly who ****ing care about this canadian HHOF? Maltsev in top-10 hockey players all-time.
Yeah well **** all those Russian/IIHF prima donnas, led by B. Ahearne/CSKA et al. Who unfairly excluded all our best Canucks for so long from international competition...U won a few gold medals vs. the likes of Edmonton Mercury's , Trail Smoke Eaters or Whitby Dunlops...BIG ****'n DEAL !!!!

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WOAH! Stop right now. Do not derail this thread into a Canada vs Russia pissing contest!

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12-04-2007, 06:30 PM
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Ray Ferraro is probably more well known as a colour commentator than a man who scored 408 goals. Highly consistent, but never really a star, he only hit the 30-goal plateau three times in doing so.

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12-04-2007, 06:41 PM
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Norm Ullman is a guy that gets overlooked as a goal scorer because he was so damn consistent. He was a top-10 goal scorer nine times in his career.

Roy Conacher is another, he finised top-2 5 times in his career (and missed four years right in his prime due to WWII).

I think Selanne gets shortchanged as a more recent player. He led the league in goals three times which is a rare feat.

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12-04-2007, 07:49 PM
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Honestly who ****ing care about this canadian HHOF? Maltsev in top-10 hockey players all-time.
On this board, 99% of the people care more about the HHOF. If he wasn't in the NHL, his career doesn't really matter to most people around here.

Sorry, but that is the case.

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Tim Kerr is a name that doesn't come up often... he scored 224 goals in 4 years and only injury stopped him... and even after coming back from a million shoulder surgeries, he was scoring at a 50-60 goal pace for a couple of injury plagued years after that. Great playoff goal totals too.

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12-04-2007, 08:28 PM
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Another player you never hear much about individually is Rick Martin.

He went over 30 goals during 8 of his 9 full seasons and ended up scoring 384 goals during those years.

If he hadn't blown out his knee at age 29, 500 goals seems a certainty.

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12-04-2007, 08:50 PM
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He's not the greatest goal scorer of all-time but Dave Andreychuk scored alot of goals in his playing days and I never hear his named mentioned.

I'm not sure the exact stats but I believe Andreychuk is near the top of PP goals scored all-time.
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Hmmm...How about Dino Ciccarelli ?...over 600 career goals in roughly 1200 games...BTW how many 600 goal scorers arent in the HHOF ?
These two are arguably the most overlooked goal scorers in history and its for the simple fact that they did yeoman's work, scoring the majority of their goals from within 10 inches of the crease. The amazing thing is that Dino could do that while only being 3'2" tall and that a Timbits team could easily lap Andreychuk in a race.

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Vaclav Nedomansky

Czech GP 419 G 369
WC-A GP 80 G 67
OLY GP 13 G 13
WHA GP 252 G 135
NHL GP 421 G 122
Tot GP 1185 G 706

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Another player you never hear much about individually is Rick Martin.

He went over 30 goals during 8 of his 9 full seasons and ended up scoring 384 goals during those years.

If he hadn't blown out his knee at age 29, 500 goals seems a certainty.
Rick Martin held the rookie goal scoring record until some guy named Bossy came along. He was the most feared shooter of the 1970's, until he hurt his knee. 500 goals were certainly in his future without the injury.

But I think Danny Grant was another underrated scored. He set a rookie record for goals with 34 back in the low-scoring early 1970's. He won HNiC's "Showdown" a few times in the mid-70's.

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