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12-05-2007, 03:56 PM
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Players with the most out of the ordinary season

I'm talking an average to mediocre player with an usual offensive seasons then came back down to earth the following season. Discounting injuries.

Ron Sedlbauer
1974-75 Vancouver Canucks NHL 26 3 4 7
1975-76 Vancouver Canucks NHL 56 19 13 32
1976-77 Vancouver Canucks NHL 70 18 20 38
1977-78 Vancouver Canucks NHL 62 18 12 30
1978-79 Vancouver Canucks NHL 79 40 16 56
1979-80 Vancouver/Chicago NHL 77 23 14 37
1980-81 Chicago/Toronto NHL 60 22 7 29

Jacques Richard
1972-73 Atlanta Flames NHL 74 13 18 31
1973-74 Atlanta Flames NHL 78 27 16 43
1974-75 Atlanta Flames NHL 63 17 12 29
1975-76 Buffalo Sabres NHL 73 12 23 35
1976-77 Buffalo Sabres NHL 21 2 0 2
1978-79 Buffalo Sabres NHL 61 10 15 25
1979-80 Quebec Nordiques NHL 14 3 12 15
1980-81 Quebec Nordiques NHL 78 52 51 103
1981-82 Quebec Nordiques NHL 59 15 26 41
1982-83 Quebec Nordiques NHL 35 9 14 23

Bob MacMillan
1974-75 New York Rangers NHL 22 1 2 3 4
1975-76 St. Louis Blues NHL 80 20 32 52
1976-77 St. Louis Blues NHL 80 19 39 58
1977-78 St. Louis/Atlanta NHL 80 38 33 71
1978-79 Atlanta Flames NHL 79 37 71 108
1979-80 Atlanta Flames NHL 77 22 39 61
1980-81 Calgary Flames NHL 77 28 35 63
1981-82 Calgary/Colorado NHL 80 22 36 58
1982-83 New Jersey Devils NHL 71 19 29 48 8
1983-84 New Jersey Devils NHL 71 17 23 40 23
1984-85 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 36 5 7 12

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12-05-2007, 04:31 PM
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1987-88 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 51 24 20 44
1988-89 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 68 49 66 115
1989-90 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 80 33 47 80
1990-91 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 25 6 10 16
1990-91 Hartford Whalers NHL 44 18 24 42
1991-92 Hartford Whalers NHL 42 16 15 31
1991-92 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 25 5 11 16
1992-93 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 15 1 6 7
1993-94 Dallas Stars NHL 1 0 0 0
1994-95 Los Angeles Kings NHL 2 0 0 0
1997-98 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 82 15 25 40
1998-99 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 58 13 11 24
1999-00 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 50 10 13 23

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12-05-2007, 06:19 PM
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Warren Young

1982-83 Minnesota North Stars NHL 4 1 1 2
1983-84 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 15 1 7 8
1984-85 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 80 40 32 72
1985-86 Detroit Red Wings NHL 79 22 24 46
1986-87 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 50 8 13 21
1987-88 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 7 0 0 0

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12-05-2007, 07:26 PM
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Sedlbauer, 40 goals and only 16 assists?

this guy must've been rick nash's hero


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12-05-2007, 07:39 PM
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Jacques Richard
1972-73 Atlanta Flames NHL 74 13 18 31
1973-74 Atlanta Flames NHL 78 27 16 43
1974-75 Atlanta Flames NHL 63 17 12 29
1975-76 Buffalo Sabres NHL 73 12 23 35
1976-77 Buffalo Sabres NHL 21 2 0 2
1978-79 Buffalo Sabres NHL 61 10 15 25
1979-80 Quebec Nordiques NHL 14 3 12 15
1980-81 Quebec Nordiques NHL 78 52 51 103
1981-82 Quebec Nordiques NHL 59 15 26 41
1982-83 Quebec Nordiques NHL 35 9 14 23
Jacques Richard could easily have been the 3rd best Richard ailing from Quebec (well, he might be the 3rd best Richard from Quebec, actually...). Extremely gifted player. Something that can explain the fact he had something of a pro career was coaching & training methods weren't quite as developped as today back in the late '70, early '80. He didn't trained, but no one trained much anyways...

So, what was his problem? Drugs/Alcohol.
Why 80-81? Maybe it was the year where he was the straighter.

Jacques Richard is dead today, car crash. 5 grams of "white powder" was found on the back of his car, but the news I have on hand (now) makes no mention whether it was drugs or not, but the guy had a criminal record for cocaine imports. Of the 1-year wonders list, Richard might be the most talented of all (with Jimmy Carson, maybe?) - during his juniors years, he was considered better than Guy Lafleur -- or at least, that he'd had the brightest future of the two -- but he just failed to live up. His bio on legendsofhockey couldn't be more clear about why he didn't succeed.

The worst is... If he had made his career, 10 years later, he would have had MUCH LESS success than he actually did. Kinda like Bryan Fogarty, actually. Both stories are somewhat similar in some points.

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12-05-2007, 08:02 PM
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Mike McMahon Jr.

1963-64 New York Rangers NHL 18 0 1 1
1964-65 New York Rangers NHL 1 0 0 0
1965-66 New York Rangers NHL 41 0 12 12
1967-68 Minnesota North Stars NHL 74 14 33 47
1968-69 Stars/Hawks NHL 63 0 19 19
1969-70 Wing/Pens NHL 14 1 3 4

McMahon led all defensemen in goals and points that season (It's funny how he only finished 12th in all star voting). He never even came close to those totals again, and ended up as a nomadic utility player for the rest of his NHL career.


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12-05-2007, 08:07 PM
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So, what was his problem? Drugs/Alcohol.
Why 80-81? Maybe it was the year where he was the straighter.

Jacques Richard is dead today, car crash. 5 grams of "white powder" was found on the back of his car, but the news I have on hand (now) makes no mention whether it was drugs or not, but the guy had a criminal record for cocaine imports. Of the 1-year wonders list, Richard might be the most talented of all (with Jimmy Carson, maybe?) - during his juniors years, he was considered better than Guy Lafleur -- or at least, that he'd had the brightest future of the two -- but he just failed to live up. His bio on legendsofhockey couldn't be more clear about why he didn't succeed.
It could've just been that playing in his hometown in front of his family may have been a motivation for him to temporarily clean up his act.

A lot of people tend to assume that Peter Stastny was the main reason Richard had that big year in Quebec, but I don't think that's the case. I've been going through a lot of game summaries from that `80-`81 season lately (trying to do a save percentage tabulation), and I've noticed that most of Richard's goals so far weren't assisted by Stastny. He seems to have been on a line with Jamie Hislop and a rookie Dale Hunter.

The saddest part about his death and the cocaine in his car was that at the time he had been touring high schools and youth organizations giving speeches about staying away from drugs and alcohol. It's a shame he couldn't help himself.

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12-05-2007, 09:42 PM
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vic hadfield:

(with NYR)
'62: 3g, 1a, 4p
'63: 5g, 6a, 11p
'64: 14g, 11a, 25p
'65: 18g, 20a, 38p
'66: 16g, 19a, 35p
'67: 13g, 20a, 23p
'68: 20g, 19a, 39p
'69: 26g, 40a, 66p
'70: 20g, 34a, 54p
'71: 22g, 22a, 44p
'72: 50g, 56a, 106p
'73: 28g, 34a, 62p
'74: 27g, 28a, 55p

(with pittsburgh)
'75: 31g, 42a, 73p
'76: 30g, 35a, 65p
'77: 0g, 2a, 2p

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12-05-2007, 09:48 PM
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Bernie Nicholls
GP G A Pts PIM
1988-89 Los Angeles Kings NHL 79 70 80 150 96

Next best seasons

1983-84 Los Angeles Kings NHL 78 41 54 95 83
1984-85 Los Angeles Kings NHL 80 46 54 100 76
1985-86 Los Angeles Kings NHL 80 36 61 97 78

Note, his highest is 50% (exactly) better than his second best.

EDIT: Mathematically accuracy

After that, he's got 81 points



Jim Carey
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GP W L T MIN GA SO
1995-96 Washington Capitals NHL 71 35 24 9 4069 153 9

Nothing even close to that otherwise


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Jim Carey
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GP W L T MIN GA SO
1995-96 Washington Capitals NHL 71 35 24 9 4069 153 9

Nothing even close to that otherwise
Actually, Keith Jones mentioned Carey on TV the other night. Basically he said that the Washington defence was a big reason behind Carey's success, but the awards went to his head and he showed up the next year with a poor work ethic.



Another player for this thread:

Chuck Lefley

1970-71 Montreal Canadiens NHL 1 0 0 0
1971-72 Montreal Canadiens NHL 16 0 2 2
1972-73 Montreal Canadiens NHL 65 21 25 46
1973-74 Montreal Canadiens NHL 74 23 31 54
1974-75 Montreal Canadiens NHL 18 1 2 3
1974-75 St. Louis Blues NHL 57 23 26 49
1975-76 St. Louis Blues NHL 75 43 42 85
1976-77 St. Louis Blues NHL 71 11 30 41
1979-80 St. Louis Blues NHL 28 6 6 12
1980-81 St. Louis Blues NHL 2 0 0 0

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Actually, Keith Jones mentioned Carey on TV the other night. Basically he said that the Washington defence was a big reason behind Carey's success, but the awards went to his head and he showed up the next year with a poor work ethic.



Another player for this thread:

Chuck Lefley

1970-71 Montreal Canadiens NHL 1 0 0 0
1971-72 Montreal Canadiens NHL 16 0 2 2
1972-73 Montreal Canadiens NHL 65 21 25 46
1973-74 Montreal Canadiens NHL 74 23 31 54
1974-75 Montreal Canadiens NHL 18 1 2 3
1974-75 St. Louis Blues NHL 57 23 26 49
1975-76 St. Louis Blues NHL 75 43 42 85
1976-77 St. Louis Blues NHL 71 11 30 41
1979-80 St. Louis Blues NHL 28 6 6 12
1980-81 St. Louis Blues NHL 2 0 0 0
I don't know Lefley's story, but I wonder which is more impressive : 46 and 54 playing on 2nd or 3rd lines in Montreal, or 85 playing on a 1st line St-Louis...

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Wayne Babych

1978-79 St. Louis Blues NHL 67 27 36 63
1979-80 St. Louis Blues NHL 59 26 35 61
1980-81 St. Louis Blues NHL 78 54 42 96
1981-82 St. Louis Blues NHL 51 19 25 44
1982-83 St. Louis Blues NHL 71 16 23 39
1983-84 St. Louis Blues NHL 70 13 29 42
1984-85 Pittsburgh Pen NHL 65 20 34 54
1985-86 Pitts/Que/Hart NHL 54 17 22 39
1986-87 Hartford Whalers NHL 4 0 0 0 4

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Bernie Nicholls finished with 112 points the season after his 150 pointer. The 150 pointer is largely attributed to Gretzky's arrival in LA. That's the season with Yzerman at 155.

I omitted Warren Young because that one year of 40 goals, he was riding shotgun for a rookie Mario Lemieux. He then went for the bucks in Detroit instead of staying with a sure thing.

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Just thought of another major one.

Mike Krushelnyski
1981-82 Boston Bruins NHL 17 3 3 6
1982-83 Boston Bruins NHL 79 23 42 65
1983-84 Boston Bruins NHL 66 25 20 45
1984-85 Edmonton Oilers NHL 80 43 45 88
1985-86 Edmonton Oilers NHL 54 16 24 40
1986-87 Edmonton Oilers NHL 80 16 35 51
1987-88 Edmonton Oilers NHL 76 20 27 47
1988-89 Los Angeles Kings NHL 78 26 36 62
1989-90 Los Angeles Kings NHL 63 16 25 41
1990-91 Los Angeles Kings NHL 74 18 27 45
1991-92 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 72 9 15 24
1992-93 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 84 19 20 39
1993-94 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 54 5 6 11
1994-95 Detroit Red Wings NHL 20 2 3 5

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How about Joe Juneau? After scoring 32 goals and 70 assists as a rookie, he only broke 70 points once after that.

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Bob Kudelski

1987-88 Los Angeles Kings 26 0 1 1
1988-89 Los Angeles Kings 14 1 3 4
1989-90 Los Angeles Kings 62 23 13 36
1990-91 Los Angeles Kings 72 23 13 36
1991-92 Los Angeles Kings 80 22 21 43
1992-93 Los Angeles Kings 15 3 3 6
1992-93 Ottawa Senators 48 21 14 35
1993-94 Ottawa/Florida 86 40 30 70
1994-95 Florida Panthers 26 6 3 9
1995-96 Florida Panthers 13 0 1 1

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1940-41 Boston Bruins NHL 40 8 10 18 6
1941-42 Boston Bruins NHL 35 8 10 18 2
1942-43 Boston Bruins NHL 45 18 18 36 19
1943-44 Boston Bruins NHL 48 36 46 82 4
1944-45 Boston Bruins NHL 50 32 13 45 16
1945-46 Boston Bruins NHL 48 17 12 29 4

Herb Cain. He might not count because of the war.

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The same year that Bob Macmillan scored 108 points for Atlanta (78-79), Guy Chouinard scored 50 goals and added 57 assists.

He had a couple of 31 goal seasons after that but never came close to 50 again.

Chouinard played with Jacques Locas and Real Cloutier with the old Quebec Remparts in the Q.

In 73-74, he scored 160 points and only finished 4th on the Quebec team in scoring.

The great part about that story is that Quebec scored 531 goals in 70 games and still finished 89 goals behind lucky Pierre Larouche's Sorel blackhawks team.

Ahh, those 70's teams were so defense system oriented.

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Bob Probert to a lesser extent

1985-86 Detroit Red Wings NHL 44 8 13 21 186
1986-87 Detroit Red Wings NHL 63 13 11 24 221
1987-88 Detroit Red Wings NHL 74 29 33 62 398
1988-89 Detroit Red Wings NHL 25 4 2 6 106
1989-90 Detroit Red Wings NHL 4 3 0 3 21
1990-91 Detroit Red Wings NHL 55 16 23 39 315
1991-92 Detroit Red Wings NHL 63 20 24 44 276
1992-93 Detroit Red Wings NHL 80 14 29 43 292
1993-94 Detroit Red Wings NHL 66 7 10 17 275
1995-96 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 78 19 21 40 237
1996-97 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 82 9 14 23 326
1997-98 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 14 2 1 3 48
1998-99 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 78 7 14 21 206
1999-00 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 69 4 11 15 114
2000-01 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 79 7 12 19 103
2001-02 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 61 1 3 4 176

Quite the contribution from a man who earned 398 PiMs that year

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The same year that Bob Macmillan scored 108 points for Atlanta (78-79), Guy Chouinard scored 50 goals and added 57 assists.

He had a couple of 31 goal seasons after that but never came close to 50 again.

Chouinard played with Jacques Locas and Real Cloutier with the old Quebec Remparts in the Q.

In 73-74, he scored 160 points and only finished 4th on the Quebec team in scoring.

The great part about that story is that Quebec scored 531 goals in 70 games and still finished 89 goals behind lucky Pierre Larouche's Sorel blackhawks team.

Ahh, those 70's teams were so defense system oriented.
1974-75 Atlanta Flames NHL 5 0 0 0
1975-76 Atlanta Flames NHL 4 0 2 2
1976-77 Atlanta Flames NHL 80 17 33 50 .625 ppg
1977-78 Atlanta Flames NHL 73 28 30 58 .795 ppg
1978-79 Atlanta Flames NHL 80 50 57 107 1.338 ppg
1979-80 Atlanta Flames NHL 76 31 46 77 1.013 ppg
1980-81 Calgary Flames NHL 52 31 52 83 1.596 ppg
1981-82 Calgary Flames NHL 64 23 57 80 1.250 ppg
1982-83 Calgary Flames NHL 80 13 59 72 .900 ppg
1983-84 St. Louis Blues NHL 64 12 34 46 .719 ppg

I didn't include Chouinard because he never matched those numbers again due to injury. He actually had a higher point per game average 2 years after his career year. Had he not been injured and played those 28 games he would have needed an average .857 points per game to reach his previous career high, which would have been a slump for him. The following year, he wasn't that far off the pace either.

As a Hab fan, it's too bad his son didn't have the same determination as the father, he at least had the size his father didn't.

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Just thought of another major one.

Mike Krushelnyski
1981-82 Boston Bruins NHL 17 3 3 6
1982-83 Boston Bruins NHL 79 23 42 65
1983-84 Boston Bruins NHL 66 25 20 45
1984-85 Edmonton Oilers NHL 80 43 45 88
1985-86 Edmonton Oilers NHL 54 16 24 40
1986-87 Edmonton Oilers NHL 80 16 35 51
1987-88 Edmonton Oilers NHL 76 20 27 47
1988-89 Los Angeles Kings NHL 78 26 36 62
1989-90 Los Angeles Kings NHL 63 16 25 41
1990-91 Los Angeles Kings NHL 74 18 27 45
1991-92 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 72 9 15 24
1992-93 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 84 19 20 39
1993-94 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 54 5 6 11
1994-95 Detroit Red Wings NHL 20 2 3 5
The advantages of a decent player, getting to play LW on the Gretzky line for one year.

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Bernie Nicholls
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1988-89 Los Angeles Kings NHL 79 70 80 150 96

Next best seasons

1983-84 Los Angeles Kings NHL 78 41 54 95 83
1984-85 Los Angeles Kings NHL 80 46 54 100 76
1985-86 Los Angeles Kings NHL 80 36 61 97 78

Note, his highest is 150% (exactly) better than his second best.

After that, he's got 81 points
How is 150 pts 150% better then 100 pts.?

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Jose Theodore

That Hart trophy season is such an anomoly. He remained a decent starting goaltender for a few years following, but, to go from a level of being the Vezina and Hart winner one year, to never again even getting a vote for the Vezina after that, is a pretty big drop off.

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1982-83  New York Rangers            NHL    44    8    7   15   33
1983-84  New York Rangers            NHL     6    0    1    1    8
1984-85  New York Rangers            NHL    28    4    8   12   24
1986-87  Pittsburgh Penguins          NHL    31    8    9   17    6
1987-88  Pittsburgh Penguins          NHL    36    1    7    8   12
1987-88  Los Angeles Kings             NHL     6    2   10   12    2
1988-89  Los Angeles Kings             NHL     7    2    1    3    2
1989-90  Los Angeles Kings             NHL     6    2    2    4    4
1992-93  Tampa Bay Lightning         NHL    66   27   24   51   12
Spent 1990-91 w/ the Canadian National Team, 1991-92 in the IHL. Then back in the NHL in Tampa's first season for half his career goals and 40% of his career points in the same season ... and then he never plays in the NHL again, finishing in the IHL and DEL.

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1978-79 Washington Capitals NHL 76 31 59 90 71 
1979-80 Washington Capitals NHL 27 10 17 27 8 
1980-81 Washington Capitals NHL 80 50 47 97 87  
1981-82 Washington Capitals NHL 80 60 76 136 128 
1982-83 Washington Capitals NHL 80 31 50 81 71 
1983-84 Minnesota North Stars NHL 71 17 43 60 42 
1984-85 Minnesota North Stars NHL 71 19 41 60 56 
1985-86 Minnesota North Stars NHL 70 21 37 58 67 
1986-87 Minnesota North Stars NHL 67 16 30 46 50 
1987-88 Minnesota North Stars NHL 22 7 4 11 15

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