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12-11-2007, 10:00 AM
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Man, and people think the Leafs overvalue their players....

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12-11-2007, 10:24 AM
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You know what, you're right. That is a very enlightening post, I encourage you to share your insight all over the forum.
Ask a simple question, get a simple answer.

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12-11-2007, 11:14 AM
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Man, and people think the Leafs overvalue their players....
Says the guy who proposed Sundin for Ryan, Mitera and Edm 1st.

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Says the guy who proposed Sundin for Ryan, Mitera and Edm 1st.
If anybody could pull that off it would be JFJ! Especially against such a poor GM like Burke!


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12-11-2007, 12:20 PM
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Says the guy who proposed Sundin for Ryan, Mitera and Edm 1st.
Ryan...bust so far, until he proves himself in the NHL.
Mitera...still playing college
1st round pick....could be anywhere from 5-10 (realistically)

The 1st round pick is the best assets there and is still not a sure thing. Sundin has been reborn. You won't get him for a song. Think "more than what Forsberg brought in"...for starters...


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12-11-2007, 12:23 PM
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You know what, you're right. That is a very enlightening post, I encourage you to share your insight all over the forum.
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12-11-2007, 12:44 PM
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The AHL website (transactions section) is showing that the Ducks have recalled Defenseman Bruno St. Jacques from Portland. Piece of a trade?

12/11/2007 - Bruno St. Jacques (D) - Portland DEL Recalled from loan by Anaheim (NHL)

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12-11-2007, 12:50 PM
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There is so much more than goes into trades than flat out value.

You are an idiot if you think that just because you can rationalize value that you can qualify a trade as 'equal'.

The Mitera/Ryan/1st for Sundin is just dumb. In your mind, the value is equal, but who cares about equal, does this help the ducks to rent Sundin and give up their only descent prospects and a 1st?

Get a grip on reality.

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12-11-2007, 01:14 PM
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Ryan...bust so far, until he proves himself in the NHL.
Mitera...still playing college
1st round pick....could be anywhere from 5-10 (realistically)

The 1st round pick is the best assets there and is still not a sure thing. Sundin has been reborn. You won't get him for a song. Think "more than what Forsberg brought in"...for starters...

Don't bother defending that proposal. We don't care what you think whatsoever, even if any 2 of the 3 assets you're demanding is roughly equal to the entire Forsberg package. Just don't blame us if we don't take your claim that Ducks fans are more homerish than Leafs fans seriously. Glass houses and stones.

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12-11-2007, 01:56 PM
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Bobby Ryan is good.

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12-11-2007, 02:23 PM
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Schneider and Marchant to Chicago for Yanic Perrault and a 3rd round draft choice.

Done and Done.

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12-11-2007, 02:26 PM
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Ryan...bust so far, until he proves himself in the NHL.
You, sir, are a complete moron.

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12-11-2007, 02:50 PM
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You, sir, are a complete moron.
Your response should have been "then why do you want him?"

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12-11-2007, 03:06 PM
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You, sir, are a complete moron.
You tell me what he's done in the NHL to date....oh wait that's right NOTHING.

He was taken with the 2nd overall choice in 2005. That's almost 3 years ago and still hasn't made a splash yet while other players taken after him have made some noise or at least made the NHL by now.

Let's see there was...

Jack Johnson...Making an impact on the LA blueline
Benoit Poulot...made NHL appearance
Carey Price...won AHL Calder Cup, sharing #1 duties with Huet
Gilbert Brule...has been in the NHL the last 2 yrs
Devin Setoguchi...made an imediate impact 7 goals in first 9 games
Luc Bourdon...made NHL appearance
Anze Kopitar...challenged for the Calder last year, over a PPG this year
Marc Staal...up with the Rangers and been given more icetime
Martin Hanzel...made the Coyotes and impressing thus far
Ryan Parent...made NHL appearance
Tuuka Rask...made NHL appearance
Niklas Bergfors...made NHL appearance
Andrew Cogliano...playing well and putting up nice #'s in Edm
Matt Niksanen...playing well on the Dallas blueline
Steve Downie...made NHL appearance


And that's only players that were taken in the 1st round! There is actually 13 more players from rounds 2-7 that have either made an impact or an appearance for their team.

so...who's the MORON now. You don't think for a second Burke wouldn't rather choose one of those players over Ryan. I for one can see six players that I'd easily want over Ryan.

Unless Ryan makes an impact soon, he's a bust. I mean, c'mon, he was taken 2nd overall.


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Your response should have been "then why do you want him?"
I'd rather have Logan McMillan. But for some reason, Leaf fans have fixated on Ryan. Most think he would be some sort of reclaimation project. He has good size and the potential is there, unfortunately he hasn't panned out as of yet. Not saying he never will, but as of now IMO he's a bust.

Like I said, I'd rather have McMillan. McMillan, Mitera and a 1st...

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12-11-2007, 03:15 PM
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Like I said, I'd rather have McMillan. McMillan, Mitera and a 1st...
Keep dreaming. We managed just fine without mortgaging the future on Sundin last year.

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12-11-2007, 03:17 PM
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The AHL website (transactions section) is showing that the Ducks have recalled Defenseman Bruno St. Jacques from Portland. Piece of a trade?

12/11/2007 - Bruno St. Jacques (D) - Portland DEL Recalled from loan by Anaheim (NHL)
I think he might be replacing someone.

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12-11-2007, 03:19 PM
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Keep dreaming. We managed just fine without mortgaging the future on Sundin last year.
That was never the debate.

Not really mortgaging the future if you trade what is concieved a bust (Ryan), a player who has opted out of proffesional hockey to stay in college (Mitera) and a 1st, which could be the best asset in the deal. And no doubt a 1st would have to be included in any deal for a player like Sundin.

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12-11-2007, 03:23 PM
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I think he might be replacing someone.
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Thanks...
Let me rephrase that. I thought he was gonna to be brought up to replaced one of are player not be traded.

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Let me rephrase that. I thought he was gonna to be brought up to replaced one of are player not be traded.
That's how I took it...

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12-11-2007, 03:29 PM
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You tell me what he's done in the NHL to date....oh wait that's right NOTHING.

He was taken with the 2nd overall choice in 2005. That's almost 3 years ago and still hasn't made a splash yet while other players taken after him have made some noise or at least made the NHL by now.

Let's see there was...

Jack Johnson...Making an impact on the LA blueline
Benoit Poulot...made NHL appearance
Carey Price...won AHL Calder Cup, sharing #1 duties with Huet
Gilbert Brule...has been in the NHL the last 2 yrs
Devin Setoguchi...made an imediate impact 7 goals in first 9 games
Luc Bourdon...made NHL appearance
Anze Kopitar...challenged for the Calder last year, over a PPG this year
Marc Staal...up with the Rangers and been given more icetime
Martin Hanzel...made the Coyotes and impressing thus far
Ryan Parent...made NHL appearance
Tuuka Rask...made NHL appearance
Niklas Bergfors...made NHL appearance
Andrew Cogliano...playing well and putting up nice #'s in Edm
Matt Niksanen...playing well on the Dallas blueline
Steve Downie...made NHL appearance


And that's only players that were taken in the 1st round!

so...who's the MORON now. You don't think for a second Burke wouldn't rather choose one of those players over Ryan. I for one can see six players that I'd easily want over Ryan.

Unless Ryan makes an impact soon, he's a bust. I mean, c'mon, he was taken 2nd overall.
Last August, or was it July, was the 2nd anniversary of Bobby Ryan being drafted. You are a complete idiot for calling him a bust 2 FREAKING YEARS after he was drafted. That's more or less the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'm not even being a sensationalist here. Just because a prospect isn't lighting up the league in his rookie season does not make him a bust. Not even close.

Also, you seem to be forgetting that Bobby Ryan also had his cup of coffee in the league thus far, scoring a goal. And he could be up here, but Burke doesn't want him here. Burke wants him to further develop his game in the minors, as he should. Power forwards also take a little longer to develop. As for your list:

Jack Johnson-on a weak Kings blueline and isn't exactly blowing people away.
Benoit Pouliot-Played about the same amount of games as Ryan, produced less
Carey Price-Yep, but he's a goalie, so it wouldn't have mattered
Gilbert Brule-Seemingly gets handed a top 6 spot in Columbus, yet somehow loses it and probably gets injured too
Devin Setoguchi-Thornton
Luc Bourdon-Made an NHL appearance because every Canuck defenseman decided to cash in their sick days at the same time
Kopitar-Yep, but I also doubt Burke would ever take a Slovenian that high
Staal-Finally cracked a weak Rangers blueline after many failed attempts at it, not blowing anyone away
Hanzal-Doing not bad, but that POS would never ever play on a team for Brian Burke anyway, but he's not lighting it up either
Cogliano-Doing well on a Edmonton squad which is super weak up front
Niskanen-Cracked a Dallas blueline which is weak on the back end, also not blowing anyone away
Downie-Called up because he's a 4th liner, and that's easier to crack than top 6, especially when all Philly's 4th liners are suspended


Also, there isn't a GM on earth who would've taken most of these guys over Ryan 2nd overall. The only ones that could've went are Johnson, Pouliot, Brule and Kopitar. Ryan will probably be better than most of the guys on that list. It's called giving a freaking power forward some time to develop.

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12-11-2007, 03:30 PM
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That's how I took it...
I sensed sacarsm so I wantecd to clarify.

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12-11-2007, 03:39 PM
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Guys, just ignore the Toronto poster. He didn't propose that crappy trade here, it was on the main boards awhile ago. He got properly reamed for it there, he doesn't need to defend it here. The only relevence is it shows how little his opinion of fair trade value is worth.

To get back on topic I'd make a random proposal. Schneider + Edm 2nd to Carolina for Stillman and some kind of minor league scorer (Keith Aucoin maybe?). We probably have to add more, I'm not sure what. A mid-level forward prospect or something.

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I sensed sacarsm so I wantecd to clarify.
No sarcasm on my part. Wasn't sure if it might be trade or possible injury (Huskins?) related...

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