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01-20-2004, 02:33 AM
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Could Corey be the next Martin St-Louis? This guy registers absolutely crazy numbers as a junior, leading the OHL with 78 points in 41 games. He is Habs best scorer in the CHL, but still ignored by the experts. Do you think Locke could devlope into NHL material?

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01-20-2004, 02:53 AM
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I wouldn't say the next Martin St.Louis. St.Louis is a little guy, but he's got some weight on him, and he's as quick as they come.

Locke's height and especially weight is inflated everywhere I've seen. He's much smaller, and doesn't have a stocky build so he'll have trouble putting on weight. He's also not the greatest of skaters, and can be contained fairly easily by big mature defensemen.

His situation isn't entirely different from Ribeiro's: a tiny little guy without a hockey build, and without good skating, but with excellent cerebral ability. Great hockey sense and he brings more maturity to the rink than Ribeiro did.

That said, having seen both players play in juniors and in Montreal's camp at the same ages, Ribeiro was a lot slicker and had more vision I think. He could take control of games at that level and showed more offensively in training camp. Locke didn't show a heck of a lot in training camp, and he had trouble keeping up the pace.

He has the potential to be something, but he's got a long road ahead. If he's going to make it then it'll be in a similar capacity to a Ribeiro or Scott Gomez.

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Why does he keep being the best then? I don't understand how he can be the best player in the CHL and yet nobody care that much about him. What are his assets, and are they that much better because of his weaker points? Nobody ever does talk about his assets, only his flaws.

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Why does he keep being the best then? I don't understand how he can be the best player in the CHL and yet nobody care that much about him. What are his assets, and are they that much better because of his weaker points? Nobody ever does talk about his assets, only his flaws.
Didn't I just post what I felt his assets were? He has great hockey sense and can telegraph plays. Locke brings a lot of offensive capabilties to the rink.

Again, his offensive talent can't be denied. It's just a question of whether he can translate that into the pro game, and work on his deficiencies. He's not indifferent from Ribeiro in this way.


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The guy has no strength and speed.

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I never understood this either. Locke is outscoring all these other guys that were drafted ahead of him. How can this be? Yeah, he lacks size and speed, but he's dominating the game now, whats to say we won't do it in the NHL in a few years? Yes, I realize that NHL players are bigger, stronger and faster, but I still can't fathom a guy like this being ignored, an absolute steal for the Habs in the 4th round.

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The guy has no strength and speed.
Nor does Ribeiro.

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NHL teams don't draft according to the CHL scoring stats. You will find top 10, even top 5 scorers from the 3 CHL leagues who don't make it to the NHL. The AHL has many such players. The following is a list of the top 10 career scorers in the OHL from the past 10 years:

1 * Kyle Wellwood Windsor Spitfires 277 131 256 387 52
2 Derek Roy Kitchener Rangers 268 160 212 372 343
3 Eric Himelfarb Kingston Frontenacs 304 138 224 362 282
4 Jason Spezza Belleville Bulls 237 135 227 362 146
5 Miguel Delisle Kingston Frontenacs 344 173 186 359 420
6 Cory Pecker Erie Otters 311 176 177 353 280
7 Justin Papineau Belleville Bulls 241 163 187 350 156
8 * Brad Boyes Erie Otters 266 158 191 349 180
9 Michael Zigomanis Kingston Frontenacs 262 134 215 349 163
10 Norm Milley Sudbury Wolves 224 147 184 331 156
11 * Kris Newbury Sarnia Sting 344 131 200 331 696
12 Corey Locke Ottawa 67's 185 134 176 310 185
13 Chris Kelly Sudbury Wolves 288 130 175 305 232
14 Randy Rowe Belleville Bulls 303 146 157 303 103
15 Jonathan Cheechoo Belleville Bulls 240 135 167 302 291
16 Dan Sisca Sarnia Sting 299 126 175 301 352
17 Martin St. Pierre Guelph Storm 248 97 203 300 259
18 * Jonathan Zion Ottawa 67's 344 68 231 299 180
19 Derek MacKenzie Sudbury Wolves 295 108 180 288 339
20 Charlie Stephens London Knights 330 117 170 287 351

and from the WHL...

1 Brad Moran Calgary Hitmen 287 191 215 406 293
2 Bret DeCecco Kootenay Ice 305 173 175 348 321
3 Chris St. Jacques Medicine Hat Tigers 294 140 201 341 352
4 Brett Lysak Regina Pats 331 145 189 334 271
5 Garrett Prosofsky Portland Winter Hawks 324 134 196 330 281
6 Nathan Barrett Lethbridge Hurricanes 316 157 172 329 263
7 * Ben Thomson Medicine Hat Tigers 363 143 183 326 190
8 Pavel Brendl Calgary Hitmen 178 172 148 320 197
9 Layne Ulmer Swift Current Broncos 261 161 154 315 198
10 * Blake Robson Prince George Cougars 343 121 190 311 492
11 Matt Kinch Calgary Hitmen 165 63 242 305 125
12 Todd Robinson Portland Winter Hawks 178 95 205 300 152
13 Shawn McNeil Red Deer Rebels 214 129 168 297 189
14 Carsen Germyn Red Deer Rebels 347 120 176 296 533
15 Duncan Milroy Kootenay Ice 275 137 158 295 163
16 Brett McLean Brandon Wheat Kings 191 133 159 292 246
17 Scott Kelman Tri-City Americans 337 99 188 287 456
18 Jarret Stoll Kootenay Ice 245 124 162 286 285
19 Tim Smith Swift Current Broncos 263 90 196 286 312
20 Blake Evans Regina Pats 337 120 163 283 511

(The Q didn't have comparable stats available).

If you take a look at those lists, you will find approximately 6 players from the OHL list who are in the NHL or have a good chance at sticking in the NHL. The WHL list has about 2.

My point is that we have to be careful when determining an NHL prospect based on stats alone. Locke may have tremendous stats, but that's only one of many factors NHL scouts consider. When I was involved in broadcasting AJHL games I interviewed many NHL and U.S. College scouts, none of them ever quoted a player's stats when stating why he was someone they were paying attention to.

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Locke is a project, plain and simple. It's too early to predict what he can do at the NHL level. His major junior accomplishments rival those put up by Mike Ribeiro and Yannic Perreault (two other juniors who scored a ton, who supposablely didn't have the speed or size to make it in the NHL), but for ever success there have been many who have produce great at that level but not able to produce at a higher level.

I think habs management is looking at Locke as a 3-4 year project player. At 18 it sometimes hard to say how a player is going to perform 5-10 years down the line, and at 18 alot of players are not finished growing yet.

I think as fans we shouldn't look at Locke as a prime prospect until he gets into the AHL. At that point I think it is going to become a lot more clearer as what kind of prospect he might become.

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Originally Posted by Slick Nick
Could Corey be the next Martin St-Louis? This guy registers absolutely crazy numbers as a junior, leading the OHL with 78 points in 41 games. He is Habs best scorer in the CHL, but still ignored by the experts. Do you think Locke could devlope into NHL material?
Bit of a segway here but John Davidson has been proposing widening the ice surface to increase offence in the league and I was thinking that guys like Locke would stand a better chance of making the nhl on a wider surface where talent and smarts are a bigger advantage.


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Could Corey be the next Martin St-Louis? This guy registers absolutely crazy numbers as a junior, leading the OHL with 78 points in 41 games. He is Habs best scorer in the CHL, but still ignored by the experts. Do you think Locke could devlope into NHL material?
Well, you can't rule out the possibility altogether but he does have his work cut out for him. His lack of size and speed mean that faster players can bear down on him quickly and prevent him from using his vision and creativity with the puck. At the OHL level, players aren't as quick and aren't as big as the NHL so he can dominate that league year in and year out but once he steps up to a faster paced level, things won't come as easily. What other players without the creativity and vision have over him is the possibility to keep increasing their speed and bulk to keep up to the faster paced AHL and NHL.

But who knows, if he has the dedication and his body has the will to improve, he has the possibility of making it. It's just a bigger gamble.

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I don't know why people are always complaining about his speed. From what ive seen of him hes deceptivly quick with the puck ala Mike Comrie. He made the Russian defence look bad a few times in the series because they underestemated his speed. Im not saying hes incredibly fast or anything(hes not) but I do feel that he is a far better skater then Ribearo(sp) is. I also find that unlike Ribero, Locke has a much better shot and could develope into a player that can put up huge assists as well as score a number of goals. But like others have said hes gonna have to work on his strength as well as improve his skating.

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Locke

Ive watched Locke 4 or 5 times this year and I agree with the last poster speed isn't an issue. Locke doesn't have great break away speed and maybe this is where other posters get the idea hes slow. Locke excels from the top of the circles in. He's quick, very shifty and has an great shot. Goes full out and plays great in traffic. If you watch Locke you can see he understands the game and has good hockey sense. This being said he's a project.

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I think what you guys may be overlooking is that Locke has decent speed for the OHL, but in the AHL/NHL he will have problems with his speed, skating, size, strength, defensive zone coverage down low, along the boards, in corners. I think he has excellent vision and playmaking abilities. He can find the open man anywhere on the ice, and is a real threat on the PP.

Forget the numbers he's putting up (which are sick) and wait till he's at the next level. No one can say how he will do in the AHL, but imo, it's a better way to gauge what Locke can do, then going off his abilities against 16-19 year olds. I am impressed that he has been able to do so much scoring with new linemates, but I am concerned at how he will handle the bigger, stronger, faster AHL players.

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