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01-19-2004, 11:26 PM
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next year's youth movement

in another thread, dfa mentioned that the kings organization has 8, maybe 9, prospects who have to be given contracts by next year or lost (either back into the draft or to free agency i presume). so, as this is hockey's future, lets talk a bit about the prospects that will need to be signed, and more importantly, may make the team and have an impact next year (assuming that there is nhl hockey next year).

thus, the questions to the forum:
1. which prospects must be signed by next year?
2. which prospects may make the team and have an impact next year?
3. what effects, if any, will this have on the team's offseason plans?

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I can answer the who part. As to who will actually be signed, you'll need to talk to DT about that. And who will actually make the team, talk to AM.

1.) Rome (he was asking for too much last offseason, so he went back to the WHL as an overager. if he's not signed this offseason, he's gone)
2.) Kanko
3.) Andresen
4.) Rooneem (he might still have WHL eligibility left as an overager, but not sure)
5.) Steckel
6.) Hogeboom
7.) Marsters
8.) James
9.) possibly some college players looking to take advantage of the current CBA before it changes.

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Who might be able to come in and make an immediate NHL impact? I would guess only Rome, Kanko, and maybe a couple of the unnamed college players.

But don't forget about Grebs waiting in the wings in Manchester for his chance.

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A few off the top of my head:
Steckel, Hogeboom and Gabinet from college
Rome, Rooneem and Andersen from juniors
Clark, Barney, Flinn, Huet, Welch, Ziska, Brennan and all those guys like Smithson, Schmit,
Rullier and Rosa.
It could be in our best interest to sign the goalie down at Manchester Adam Hauser
We may have to sign Tamballini(sp)?
We can bring over Karlsson.

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and Gabinet from college
Forgot about him. Add another to the list, but I don't see him as anything more than a high-end AHL player.

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Forgot about him. Add another to the list, but I don't see him as anything more than a high-end AHL player.
True, I was just trying to think who doesn't have a contract for next year.

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True, I was just trying to think who doesn't have a contract for next year.
palffy, allison and deadmarsh (i believe he has a one year deal this year only)...straka, i'm not sure.

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Who might be able to come in and make an immediate NHL impact? I would guess only Rome, Kanko, and maybe a couple of the unnamed college players.

But don't forget about Grebs waiting in the wings in Manchester for his chance.
What's the update on Grebs? Is he coming back this season or what?

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palffy, allison and deadmarsh (i believe he has a one year deal this year only)...straka, i'm not sure.
I believe Straka has a year left on his contract... I could be wrong though.

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here's a list of UFAs and RFAs: link.

As you can see, the Kings have their fair share of unsigned players.

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What's the update on Grebs? Is he coming back this season or what?
Surgery to repair a wrist. Wasn't expected back until February, but a Monarchs fan might be more up-to-date than I.

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palffy, allison and deadmarsh (i believe he has a one year deal this year only)...straka, i'm not sure.
I think the question was about the youth, but out of those I'd say definitly sign Palffy and Straka has another year. I would not put any faith in either Deadmarsh or Allison playing for the Kings this or next year.

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We may have to sign Tamballini(sp)?
Even if he decided to leave Michigan (which I highly doubt he will), the Kings would have another year to sign him (retain rights until June of 2005).

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Surgery to repair a wrist. Wasn't expected back until February, but a Monarchs fan might be more up-to-date than I.
I was under the impression he was trying to get back before the end of the month

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I was under the impression he was trying to get back before the end of the month
I don't know. I'm just going off of the original time-table given when he first went under the knife. A Monarchs fan might be able to answer for sure.

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I can answer the who part. As to who will actually be signed, you'll need to talk to DT about that. And who will actually make the team, talk to AM.

1.) Rome (he was asking for too much last offseason, so he went back to the WHL as an overager. if he's not signed this offseason, he's gone)
2.) Kanko
3.) Andresen
4.) Rooneem (he might still have WHL eligibility left as an overager, but not sure)
5.) Steckel
6.) Hogeboom
7.) Marsters
8.) James
9.) possibly some college players looking to take advantage of the current CBA before it changes.
is rome such a good prospect that he can ask for too much money? might a possible benefit of dealing, hypothetically, aaron miller be that it would allow the organization to retain a high-level prospect defenseman to fill exactly that spot?

and what about kanko, do you think he'll be able to make the jump from juniors to the nhl immediately, or will he require extensive ahl seasoning?

and did you rank them in order of potential, or just as you thought of them?

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is rome such a good prospect that he can ask for too much money? might a possible benefit of dealing, hypothetically, aaron miller be that it would allow the organization to retain a high-level prospect defenseman to fill exactly that spot?

and what about kanko, do you think he'll be able to make the jump from juniors to the nhl immediately, or will he require extensive ahl seasoning?

and did you rank them in order of potential, or just as you thought of them?
He's a great prospect and the organization is extremely high on him. But I heard he was asking for max-out money and the Kings were not prepared to give it to him last summer. So he went back to the WHL as an overager. It's not so much a beneift as it would be a necessity. If you're working under a budget and want to retain your top prospects, you sometimes have to sacrifice payroll at the NHL level. It's just a matter of a limited amount of money to spend. That's what happened when the Kings signed Aulin, Cammy, Frolov, and Lehoux and as a result could not come close to what Boucher wanted. If they want to resign Palffy and maybe add another forward as well as sign their top prospects, something has got to give.

I don't know if Kanko can. I think he can but it obviously would be up to AM. I think he may be capable of learning while at the NHL level because he provides so many intangibles other than scoring. As long as he plays consistent physical edgy hockey, he would be an asset to the Kings. But it will largely depend upon how the the rest of the roster fills out.

I just ranked them in order of them popping into my head.

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I can answer the who part. As to who will actually be signed, you'll need to talk to DT about that. And who will actually make the team, talk to AM.

1.) Rome (he was asking for too much last offseason, so he went back to the WHL as an overager. if he's not signed this offseason, he's gone)
2.) Kanko
3.) Andresen
4.) Rooneem (he might still have WHL eligibility left as an overager, but not sure)
5.) Steckel
6.) Hogeboom
7.) Marsters
8.) James
9.) possibly some college players looking to take advantage of the current CBA before it changes.
Kanko was signed last offseason. http://www.lakings.com/content/news_...nt=news&id=826

Rooneem is in his overage season as he turned 21 earlier this month.

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Grebs is likely out for about another month according to Bruce Boudreau.

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I wrote my reckonings and since I write such bloody novels and I had written it when the board crashed prior to my posting it I can only say this (cause even I hate writing that much and reading them all the more), we have so many lads at the ready who are solid great young players that we are going to have an interesting off season for certain. We either have to sign several of them or chance losing them and move some vets or deal them to bring in youngish talent.

I don't envy Dave.

At the ready, Grebeshkov/Gleason/Aulin/Camms/Hogeboom (21 seniour)/Rome/Roneem/Steckel (seniour year)/Barney/Brown/Tambellini(something tells me he will leave after this year)/Kanko to name a few who are ready to either get a spot on the Kings or get the occasional call up. I wonder what will be...

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Kanko was signed last offseason.
Scratch one off the list.

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Here's another thought. We might be able to scratch another off the list.

Do the Kings actually sign Steckel or should they just go for the compensation pick for not coming to terms with a 1st round pick? Would the Kings rather have Steckel or a late 2nd round pick?

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Here's another thought. We might be able to scratch another off the list.

Do the Kings actually sign Steckel or should they just go for the compensation pick for not coming to terms with a 1st round pick? Would the Kings rather have Steckel or a late 2nd round pick?
This draft is supposed to be pretty crappy. There aren't going to be any Pushkarovs around in the 2nd round. From what I have a heard a late 2nd rounder is going to be a 3rd or 4th rounder in a normal draft.

 
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2.) Kanko
I believe Kanko already signed during the off-season. Can anyone confirm this, or was I just seeing things?

EDIT: Forget this post, just read the one from Sam.

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I'd say sign Steckel, but use the fact that he's not necessarily an offensive machine as leverage to give him no more than 75% of the max rookie deal.


Also, if Ally doesn't play at all this year, what team would want to risk signing him for mass millions next year? If Ally doesn't play and I'm DT, I'd be looking to offer Ally a 2 year deal @ 2 million a year but with incentives based upon point production that *could* get Ally up to 7 millon a year (assuming he reaches 90 points & the Kings reach the final 4 next season........if there IS even a next season!). If not, then Ally can leave and we'd have that much more $$$ in the budget for all these young dudes.

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