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01-17-2004, 05:49 PM
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NHL team approaches winnipeg!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=68560

thats amazing

i bet its carolina or washington

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=68560

thats amazing

i bet its carolina or washington
both teams have a new arena, so that would surprise me a lot

... long shot New Jersey Devils ... i'm just fabulating

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my guess is atlanta or carolina

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This is cool, but I don't know if Winnipeg can afford an NHL team. They just built a new stadium that can only seat 15,000. That's tiny compared to the NHL arenas that are being built today.

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This is cool, but I don't know if Winnipeg can afford an NHL team. They just built a new stadium that can only seat 15,000. That's tiny compared to the NHL arenas that are being built today.
I'd rather have an arena with 15k jam packed every game than a 25k arena with 20k in it

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The new arena will have seating capacity to match the NHL's requirements. The big questions are who is the deep-pocketed owner (would the owner of the US-based team simply move it to Wpg....since there doesn't seem to be anyone here who fits the bill), and two, would the team support the club in terms of attendance. My feeling (as someone who attended many Habs games in the old Wpg Arena) is that if given the chance again the city would support the club sufficiently. It might just be a dream right now...but at least it's being talked about.

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It's Nashville
link ?

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If Nashville moves to Winnipeg I bet you'd see a hell of a lot of Tootoo jerseys sold & all of Nunavut would buy seasons tickets (YES ALL 25 of them!)

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I'd rather have an arena with 15k jam packed every game than a 25k arena with 20k in it
i fail to see how that would be more financially viable but i do understand your point.. however the problem with today's NHL isnt about having issues w/ 20 out of 25k in any given stadium.. its about 18-20k stadiums only getting 12k and less for games..
and i dunno how true this is, but i heard the new stadium in winnipeg also has a good amount of corporate boxes in addition to the 15k so that would be more financially viable

furthermore this whole thing with the new CBA and a possible salary cap and stuff would make it all work

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why not Quebec City instead of Winnipeg ? The city is way more beautiful, the average (attendance) was higher, and they wouldn't have to change the conferences (assuming it's a South-East team).

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I'm probably the odd man out on this, but I feel Winnipeg is the wrong spot for an NHL team.

They had their chance, they blew it. The league should move on, find another market. It's too small of a market, and a small cap team that will suffer.

If the league wants to grow, Winnipeg is the wrong direction, as was Nashville.. perhaps Atlanta.. and other expansion teams.

I'd rather see Vegas, Seattle or Quebec get a team before Winnipeg.

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why not Quebec City instead of Winnipeg ? The city is way more beautiful, the average (attendance) was higher, and they wouldn't have to change the conferences (assuming it's a South-East team).
wouldnt they have to replace le colisee? (excuse my spelling on that)
from what ive heard, winnipeg has or is building a new stadium that can hold 15,000 + a fair # of corporate boxes..

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They had their chance, they blew it. The league should move on, find another market. It's too small of a market, and a small cap team that will suffer
the same thing then happened with minny and look at them now.. the team sells out EVERY game AND theyre hosting the all-star game this year... i cant see why winnipeg (or quebec city for that matter) wouldnt be able to do either considering the love of hockey in both cities.. the only difference would be winnipeg is getting a new stadium and QC isnt (atleast not one that big, modern, corporate boxes etc)
winnipeg and QC could quite forseeably get teams (thru american teams moving back up here) but they would have to get the stadiums first and they could/would be the next Minnesota's

oh and another thing.. isnt that kinda hypocritical to say winnipeg "had their chance and blew it" and in the same statement say that Quebec City should get another one when they "already had their chance and blew it"... (using the same logic here)

if QC is deserving because it lost the Nords due to lack of government support for a new rink in QC and Winnipeg lost the Jets due to a lack of Govt support for a new rink in Winnipeg how is it fair to assess that one city was better than the other or more deserving than the other to replace the team it lost? sure, in the later years, the jets didnt bring in too many people for a while there but they also traded away or in general got rid of most of the players who were good (ie like the pens of today) and as long as the city, prov and national govts didnt support the teams attempt at a new stadium, regardless of fan support the team wouldve left.. kinda like what happened with the nords.. regardless of selling out le colisee.. the team wouldve left for denver if they didnt get a new stadium..


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The new arena will have seating capacity to match the NHL's requirements. The big questions are who is the deep-pocketed owner (would the owner of the US-based team simply move it to Wpg....since there doesn't seem to be anyone here who fits the bill), and two, would the team support the club in terms of attendance. My feeling (as someone who attended many Habs games in the old Wpg Arena) is that if given the chance again the city would support the club sufficiently. It might just be a dream right now...but at least it's being talked about.
It`s too bad Izzy Asper just died, I`m not sure how much of a hockey fan he was but he was definately one winnipeger with money too burn.

The fans would definately support the team in terms of attendance. I`m a Winnipeger so have a pretty good idea. I went to an exhibition game between the Canucks and the Oilers 2 years ago. And eventhough it was basically the Moose versus the Hamilton Bulldogs in NHL uniforms the areana was packed and very loud. I think if you wanna know what sort of a fanbase the "jets" would have if they ever moved back you only have to look as far as the Wild. They sure aren`t having any problems with attendance. I don`t know how realistic it is too believe Winnipeg will get a team in the near future but it`s a nice thought....even if I am a diehard habs fan.

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I'm probably the odd man out on this, but I feel Winnipeg is the wrong spot for an NHL team.

They had their chance, they blew it. The league should move on, find another market. It's too small of a market, and a small cap team that will suffer.



I'd rather see Vegas, Seattle or Quebec get a team before Winnipeg.
Hmmm so winnipeg had there chance and blew it....didn`t Quebec blow there chance aswell??? What about Atlanta and Colorado the first time around??? It`s funny that a place like Atlanta would get a 2nd crack at the NHL when the idea of Winnipeg getting another go at it is out of the question.

It is a small market much like the majority of the Canadian teams...but that`s all supposed to change if Bettman/Goodenow get there heads outter the ***** and fix the mess that is the NHL. If the CBA is ever fixed so that all teams can compete than Winnipeg would be a great place for an NHL team.

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Hmmm so winnipeg had there chance and blew it....didn`t Quebec blow there chance aswell??? What about Atlanta and Colorado the first time around??? It`s funny that a place like Atlanta would get a 2nd crack at the NHL when the idea of Winnipeg getting another go at it is out of the question.

It is a small market much like the majority of the Canadian teams...but that`s all supposed to change if Bettman/Goodenow get there heads outter the ***** and fix the mess that is the NHL. If the CBA is ever fixed so that all teams can compete than Winnipeg would be a great place for an NHL team.
i think you pretty much summed up what i said in a much neater way but thanks for reminding me bout atlanta and colorado .. i totally forgot about those 2 markets

oh and correct me if im wrong but didnt the Habs have to move the AHL team away from QC due to a lack of attendance?

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i think you pretty much summed up what i said in a much neater way but thanks for reminding me bout atlanta and colorado .. i totally forgot about those 2 markets

oh and correct me if im wrong but didnt the Habs have to move the AHL team away from QC due to a lack of attendance?
Whoops....I was pissed off about the whole "winnipeg blew there chance" so just posted before I read your post to thoroughly. I didn`t notice your pretty much wrote the same thing.

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no need to do that bowing thing
i think yours is much "neater" and more concise then mine anyways so its all good

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Hmmm so winnipeg had there chance and blew it....didn`t Quebec blow there chance aswell??? What about Atlanta and Colorado the first time around??? It`s funny that a place like Atlanta would get a 2nd crack at the NHL when the idea of Winnipeg getting another go at it is out of the question.
Winnipeg, and Quebec, lost their teams for two different reasons. One was lack of interest, no ownership.. few fans...(Winnipeg), and the other was a greedy owner who took the money and ran, when Colorado made him a nice offer for a dying hockey club(Quebec)

You'll never see an NHL team in any of these cities, regardless. If there was a chance of one, or the other.. I'd say Quebec could support a team more.

Atlanta's market is harder to crack, but the NHL could still be huge there in time. I'm not sure if the ownership is patient enough. It also made sense, since Ted Turner could broadcast the games on his own TV network.

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It is a small market much like the majority of the Canadian teams...but that`s all supposed to change if Bettman/Goodenow get there heads outter the ***** and fix the mess that is the NHL. If the CBA is ever fixed so that all teams can compete than Winnipeg would be a great place for an NHL team.
They will never fix the CBA, so a team in Winnipeg could survive. They would need a 15-18 million dollar payroll, and you wouldn't find a star player anywhere. In 1997, the jets had a payroll of 22 million US, and where still losing 4-6 million per year.

I don't think they should be fixing the game, so that hockey could survive in any town. Revenue sharing wouldn't work in the NHL, because the TV money isn't there as in the NFL.

I don't know about you, but I watched a lot of televised games in Winnipeg. It was a joke, until playoff time.. which was a rare event. Very little fan support.

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Winnipeg had 1 of the WORST LEAGUE attendances back in the Day unlike Quebec, a team should go back there but no 1 will talk about it, this is pure Bull! WHY don't they ever want 2 give Q-ers a break... :mad:
Their arena held 14,000 people and had averaged around 13,000 + before they left, the reason they were one of the worse for attendance was because they had one of the smallest rinks.

They had no luxury boxes for extra revenue and they couldn't build a new arena with the
City because there was no interest at that time from the City.

If they had the luxury boxes they would have had the extra revenue and would have never left Winnipeg, same can be said for the Nordiques.

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What? The Habs weren't playing vs the Jets yesterday??

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I attended a Habs-Nords game in the early 90's and loved the rivalry (even though it had diminished at that time due to the Nords on-ice struggles). Quebec City is a great hockey town but won't ever get an NHL team until they get a new arena. That's the main reason there is any talk about the possibility of Winnipeg getting a team again.

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I would love to see Quebec-Habs rivalry once again, that was something else!!! Remember that playoff brawl? WOW!!!

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I am from manitoba and i can personally see a NHL team thinking of coming back to Winnipeg. With a new 15 000 arena with many new luxury boxes and a rising loonie I can see the city being alluring to an owner. The attendance was down before because of their arena and the team. The Winnipeg arena, I think was built in 1955 and is old. Winnipeg arena has seating capacity of 14 000 for hockey games and has very few luxury boxes. The attendance was down in the later years because they traded away some good players like Hawerchuck and Selanne. Also the owners let the city and the province know that they were going to move and the fans did not want to support the team anymore. If an nhl team does come back they will survive if certain changes are made. One thing is a new arena. Which is being built. Another thing is if they make the transit system and parking better downtown were the arena is being built. Another is if they have Friday and Saturday evening games and Sunday afternoon games they will survive as people across the province will come and support the Winnipeg franchise. Another thing is that they should call the Winnipeg franchise the "Manitoba Jets" because if they do that I think they will receive more support from people across Friendly Manitoba. Anyways that is my opinion. Like it or not.

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I am from manitoba and i can personally see a NHL team thinking of coming back to Winnipeg. With a new 15 000 arena with many new luxury boxes and a rising loonie I can see the city being alluring to an owner. The attendance was down before because of their arena and the team. The Winnipeg arena, I think was built in 1955 and is old. Winnipeg arena has seating capacity of 14 000 for hockey games and has very few luxury boxes. The attendance was down in the later years because they traded away some good players like Hawerchuck and Selanne. Also the owners let the city and the province know that they were going to move and the fans did not want to support the team anymore. If an nhl team does come back they will survive if certain changes are made. One thing is a new arena. Which is being built. Another thing is if they make the transit system and parking better downtown were the arena is being built. Another is if they have Friday and Saturday evening games and Sunday afternoon games they will survive as people across the province will come and support the Winnipeg franchise. Another thing is that they should call the Winnipeg franchise the "Manitoba Jets" because if they do that I think they will receive more support from people across Friendly Manitoba. Anyways that is my opinion. Like it or not.
When I lived in Thunder Bay I had the chance to do a few road trips to Wpg to see the Jets. I have never been in an arena with such a steeper upper deck. That was mountain goat country up there!! The beer didn't help...lol.

I saw Gretzky score his 2000th point in that arena, so it will always have a special place in my personal NHL memories. With the new Moose arena being built downtown in the old Eaton's store site, that is a great location. I know they are building lots of luxure boxes a la NHL arena standard, but the 15,000 seats seems small, especially for a Canadian market. Revenues in Cdn dollars and expenses in US bucks likely demand more seats than that.

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I hate to think this, but there is also the possibility that the fair city of Winnipegosis is being used by one or several owners. Think about it, with the upcoming war vs. the NHLPA, the "distressed" phone call to the mayor can be seen as just another tool in proclaiming how "poor" the teams (really) are. I don't normally agree with him, but Strachan argues this case here.
What do you guys think?

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