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12-16-2007, 01:31 AM
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BUF/LA proposal

Just for curiosity, what would it take to get kopitar.. Or what would be fair value? Yes, I know Kopitar is probably as close to untouchable as you can get, but I was wondering anyway...

how about,
Stafford, Campbell, Connolly, and a 1st for Kopitar?

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Honestly.....it would probably take at least Vanek and a 1st. Even that might not be enough.

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Just for curiosity, what would it take to get kopitar.. Or what would be fair value? Yes, I know Kopitar is probably as close to untouchable as you can get, but I was wondering anyway...

how about,
Stafford, Campbell, Connolly, and a 1st for Kopitar?
It is hard to guage value of 4 players combined. I am pretty sure value wise you would have to include Vanek +. Not that anyone would trade someone like Kopitar or Vanek.

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vanek+ campbell would be a start.

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12-16-2007, 04:15 AM
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Have you guys looked at Vanek's numbers this season? I'd take a valuable #1 center over a top line winger.

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These sorts of proposals always remind me of the George Carlin line "I never ****ed a ten, but I once ****ed five two's".

That's not to say that anything you are offering is a "two". I would say that the proposal is good for the Kings value wise (particularly because I love Stafford) but it doesn't make any sense in practical terms. Kopitar is extremely valuable as a player obviously, but I think he's just as important as a marketing tool for the Kings. What serious fans (meaning people with a serious interest in hockey, not people who go for novelty purposes or to see FIGHTS OMGZ) the Kings still attract would probably take up knitting if they traded the first serious glimmer of hope they've seen in years for superior depth. Seriously, a trade that doesn't bring back Ovechkin or Crosby would probably be the straw that breaks the camel's already very tired back.

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The rights to the Sabres franchise.

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What about Frolov?

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Just for curiosity, what would it take to get kopitar.. Or what would be fair value? Yes, I know Kopitar is probably as close to untouchable as you can get, but I was wondering anyway...

how about,
Stafford, Campbell, Connolly, and a 1st for Kopitar?
Campbell is a UFA this offseason, Connolly has been plagued by injuries his whole career, Stafford is a decent top six forward and first will be between 10 and 20.

Kopitar is a stud and the Kings would be making a huge mistake dealing him. They need star power out in LA. Also throw in the fact that Kopitar is already the best player in that deal and is only 21 years old.

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12-16-2007, 11:56 AM
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Kopitar turned 20 in Augest.

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Campbell is a UFA this offseason, Connolly has been plagued by injuries his whole career, Stafford is a decent top six forward and first will be between 10 and 20.

Kopitar is a stud and the Kings would be making a huge mistake dealing him. They need star power out in LA. Also throw in the fact that Kopitar is already the best player in that deal and is only 21 years old.

i had meant, granted campbell had been resigned...

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What about Frolov?
I would say that we give them Campbell straight up. Don't know how LA fans would feel about this, but I think it's good value-wise.

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I would say that we give them Campbell straight up. Don't know how LA fans would feel about this, but I think it's good value-wise.
it would take more, but Frolov is a player I really like. but i don't really see LA's need for Campbell... they already have Visnovsky.

the original Kopitar deal is bad for both teams IMO

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#1 Centers are one of the most valuable commodities you can find. The Kings finally have drafted one that just happens to be 6-4 and 220 lbs. He isn't going anywhere.

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What about Frolov?
To Buffalo: Alexander Frolov


To Los Angles: Maxim Afinogenov

I think this trade would make sense because Buffalo would get another quality goal scorer, and Afinogenov may just need a change to respark his skills
Thoughts???

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Kotalik, Paetsch and a 3rd round pick for Frolov?

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Kotalik, Paetsch and a 3rd round pick for Frolov?
Nah, we have plenty of quantity, we need quality. The names of Cammalleri and Frolov frequently come up in trade conversations, but I don't see either one of them being moved unless the return is a quality, young top 4 defenseman, or a quality, young, #1-#2 center.

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To Buffalo: Alexander Frolov


To Los Angles: Maxim Afinogenov

I think this trade would make sense because Buffalo would get another quality goal scorer, and Afinogenov may just need a change to respark his skills
Thoughts???
Frolov isn't struggling in LA. Doing this would be stupid or them. If Afrinogenov was playing like he was last year, then it could be viable.

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Kotalik, Paetsch and a 3rd round pick for Frolov?
I don't think that's good enough. Frolov has a great contract, and that package isn't enough to entice LA to move him.

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Campbell and Kotalik? for Frolov?

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Campbell and Kotalik? for Frolov?
No thanks.

No reason for the Kings to move Frolov for anything less than an overpayment.

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Kotalik, Campbell, 2nd round pick if campbell doesn't resign, 4th round pick for Frolov

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Kotalik, Campbell, 2nd round pick if campbell doesn't resign, 4th round pick for Frolov
An added 2nd/4th does not turn your original deal into an overpayment...

The answer is no.

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well what would you want i figure you would like a good right winger in kotalik what else

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well what would you want i figure you would like a good right winger in kotalik what else
It doesn't really matter what I want.

Think of a deal you wouldn't make for him, that's the deal that it would take to get him.

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For Frolov? Start with one of Stafford or Pominville.

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