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12-17-2007, 06:06 PM
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On canucks.com this guy got ripped for proposing Bieksa for Hemsky. I thought it was pretty funny.

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12-17-2007, 06:12 PM
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On canucks.com this guy got ripped for proposing Bieksa for Hemsky. I thought it was pretty funny.
I'd rip him too.

Though that would be rather funny to see the Oilers try to score without Hemsky.

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12-17-2007, 06:20 PM
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how about Malone for him straigh up? I would also add a pick, but it seems that that's not wanted

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12-17-2007, 06:24 PM
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how about Malone for him straigh up? I would also add a pick, but it seems that that's not wanted
Hmmm...28 years old, career high NHL points: 44. Currently on pace for 36 points this season.
No thanks.

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12-17-2007, 06:27 PM
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Bieksa + Schneider + Cooke for Shane Doan.

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12-17-2007, 06:40 PM
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Bieksa + Schneider + Cooke for Shane Doan.
Not bad IMO but if Doan get's traded it makes more sense to trade him for young prospects.

Bourdon + Grabner + 1st round draft pick for Shane Doan

Krajicek + Schneider + 2nd round draft pick for Jeff Carter

Sedin-Sedin-Doan
Naslund-Carter-Pyatt
Cooke-Kesler-Isbister
Burrows-Ritchie-Linden
Cowan (Morrison IR)


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12-17-2007, 07:26 PM
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Not bad IMO but if Doan get's traded it makes more sense to trade him for young prospects.

Bourdon + Grabner + 1st round draft pick for Shane Doan

Krajicek + Schneider + 2nd round draft pick for Jeff Carter

Sedin-Sedin-Carter
Naslund-Carter-Pyatt
Cooke-Kesler-Isbister
Burrows-Ritchie-Linden
Cowan (Morrison IR)
Although that lineup looks nice (aside from there being too Carters), but that effectively drains the entire Canucks' prospect pool.

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12-17-2007, 07:27 PM
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no point finding out his value when he's still injured. No one knows how his strength/skating will be after coming back from injury

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12-17-2007, 07:31 PM
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For the record I think Sanford is a fair bit better than Holmqvist or Denis, but I agree he isn't the long term solution they'd be looking for.

But then again, which team has a signifigant long term upgrade they'd be willing to trade to Tampa Bay? Edmonton, maybe?
TSN said last week

Turco for St.Louis

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12-17-2007, 07:33 PM
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TSN said last week

Turco for St.Louis
And as Tortorella said: "that rumour is bullsh*t"

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12-17-2007, 07:33 PM
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Can't really trade/offer him right now as his value is undoubtedly seen as lower just because he's injured.

What the Canucks need: a top-6 winger, a #2/#3 center - any trade involving Bieksa would have to include one of those two things, we don't need any spare parts or #7 defensemen.
What the Canucks don't need: useless salary dumps like Marek Malik

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12-17-2007, 07:34 PM
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Wow, some really underwhelming offers for Bieksa here. If that is what his actual value is(highly doubt it) the Canucks are best off hanging onto him. Like it has been said already, it would take a legit top 6 forward about the same age as Bieksa for the Canucks to even think about it. Tough, physical, two way top 4 d-men are among the most sought after commodities in the NHL. Salary dumps and struggling forwards aren't going to attract the Canucks' attention.

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12-17-2007, 07:35 PM
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And as Tortorella said: "that rumour is bullsh*t"
but is exactly the type of goalie that tampa wants

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12-17-2007, 07:39 PM
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but is exactly the type of goalie that tampa wants
That's great and you piss off the MVP by dealing away his friend and making him play with Jason Ward.

Would be too hard to replace the almost 25 mins St. Louis plays a game.

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12-17-2007, 07:52 PM
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That's great and you piss off the MVP by dealing away his friend and making him play with Jason Ward.

Would be too hard to replace the almost 25 mins St. Louis plays a game.
I agree with you. I'm just telling Nas_Bert_Morr what kind of goalie tampa needs

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12-17-2007, 08:00 PM
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Some of these trade suggestions from so called Canuck fans are quite laughable. Prior to his injury, their threads involved trading Ohlund before ever trading Bieksa. It seems they just have to suggest trading someone to get that mystical top six savior who will be offered in trade next month along with Luongo for a top four right side defenseman.

There is no way the Canucks trade Bieksa. The team is short of right side defensemen as it is and a healthy Bieksa is a top first pairing and has more value than Salo. He;s injured now, but with patience, Bieksa will return to being a Canuck fan favourite very soon.

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12-17-2007, 08:04 PM
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There is no way the Canucks trade Bieksa. The team is short of right side defensemen as it is and a healthy Bieksa is a top first pairing and has more value than Salo. He;s injured now, but with patience, Bieksa will return to being a Canuck fan favourite very soon.
Agreed. Of all the Canucks' defenseman I think Krajicek makes the most sense to be moved considering the Canucks abundance of left side defenders and with Edler and Bourdon developing nicely they are going to be pushing Krajicek out.

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12-17-2007, 08:49 PM
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Bieska's money makes sense for most, but for what Vancouver would want ( a sure top-six winger), he isn't going to get it by himself.

As a Pen fan, I'd rather go after Kraijcek where an Armstrong might be more of a choice.

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12-17-2007, 08:56 PM
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Plekanec for Bieksa.

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12-17-2007, 09:14 PM
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Some of these trade suggestions from so called Canuck fans are quite laughable. Prior to his injury, their threads involved trading Ohlund before ever trading Bieksa. It seems they just have to suggest trading someone to get that mystical top six savior who will be offered in trade next month along with Luongo for a top four right side defenseman.

There is no way the Canucks trade Bieksa. The team is short of right side defensemen as it is and a healthy Bieksa is a top first pairing and has more value than Salo. He;s injured now, but with patience, Bieksa will return to being a Canuck fan favourite very soon.
Yeah, well those Canuck fans were idiots because they still haven't got it through their heads that Ohlund has a NTC and combined with his personal situation will NEVER waive it.

The team is short of right sided defenseman (although Edler can play both) and the reason I suggest to trade Bieksa is that, he is the only one without a NTC that could get what we are looking for in return. I think Bieksa will be invaluable to any kind of cup run and would prefer to trade him, if at all, in the off-season when either Krajicek or Edler could fill that spot for next season, although obviously not as well as Bieksa yet. This would also give a player like Krajicek or Edler to really break out or they, along with Bourdon who looks like he can play next year, will be stuck behind an extremely solid top 4 for a few years to come. And he would get a much better return to address our needs than Krajicek could. I just wanted to know what kind of value we could get for him once he returns to see if it would even be worth it trying to trade him once he returned or wait for a trade/signing in the offseason to address the scoring needs.

Most of these responses have been pretty ridiculous and if this is all he can get than we will happily keep him. But if he could fetch the right deal I don't know why we wouldn't trade him.

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12-17-2007, 09:43 PM
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Wow, some really underwhelming offers for Bieksa here. If that is what his actual value is(highly doubt it) the Canucks are best off hanging onto him. Like it has been said already, it would take a legit top 6 forward about the same age as Bieksa for the Canucks to even think about it. Tough, physical, two way top 4 d-men are among the most sought after commodities in the NHL. Salary dumps and struggling forwards aren't going to attract the Canucks' attention.
No kidding. I have yet to see an offer for a forward that has managed to outscore Bieksa the defenseman in his first full year in the league.

A guy that is pound for pound argueably the best fighter in the game, logged a team high 25 odd minutes a night last year in his first full season, put up 42 points and was relied upon to shut down the oppositions most dangerous threats is not going for the typical offer of underachiever, questionable prospect and 2nd rounder.

If you want Bieksa you're gonna have to do alot better than what's been offered 'til now. Remember, quality dmen are hot commodities in the league as there just flat out isn't enough to go around.

Sure fire top 6 forward for Kevin or an obvious pass from Vancouver.

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12-17-2007, 10:29 PM
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how about Malone for him straigh up? I would also add a pick, but it seems that that's not wanted
You are getting colder with every proposal you're making.

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12-18-2007, 12:37 AM
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Although that lineup looks nice (aside from there being too Carters), but that effectively drains the entire Canucks' prospect pool.
haha oops I meant to put Doan beside the Sedins...changed it

and yea it kills the Canucks prospect pool but at the same time Doan is signed on a long term deal and Carter is 4 years away from UFA status.

Personally the guy I hate to lose the most out of that deal is Bourdon since it pretty much kills our defensive depth but that lineup could give us not one but two cups over the next few seasons.

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12-18-2007, 01:16 AM
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No kidding. I have yet to see an offer for a forward that has managed to outscore Bieksa the defenseman in his first full year in the league.

A guy that is pound for pound argueably the best fighter in the game, logged a team high 25 odd minutes a night last year in his first full season, put up 42 points and was relied upon to shut down the oppositions most dangerous threats is not going for the typical offer of underachiever, questionable prospect and 2nd rounder.

If you want Bieksa you're gonna have to do alot better than what's been offered 'til now. Remember, quality dmen are hot commodities in the league as there just flat out isn't enough to go around.

Sure fire top 6 forward for Kevin or an obvious pass from Vancouver.
Echoing these sentiments. The proposals in this thread are brutal.

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12-18-2007, 01:45 AM
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Bieksa + Schneider + Cooke for Shane Doan.
Assuming Bieksa comes back healthy, and looks like he'll get right back on track, I wouldn't be opposed to the Coyotes looking at a Bieksa+ for Doan trade, at the deadline. I'm not so sure Schneider makes a ton of sense, anymore, considering his struggles, and the lights out play of Bryzgalov. However, high end picks or offensive prospects, as sweetener, would definately catch my eye, personally.

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