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12-18-2007, 09:40 PM
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Post Your Top 10 European NHL Players

Post Your Top 10 European NHL Players

1. Lidstrom - Only European to win the Conn Smythe
2. Jagr - Best European forward
3. Hasek - Best European Goalie
4. Kurri - First European with 600 goals and 1000 points
5. Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups
6. Peter Stastny - 2nd to Gretzky in 80s points
7. Bure - Calder, 2 Richards
8. Salming - 1rst European Superstar
9. Federov - Only player in league history to win Hart & Selke in same year!
10. Fetisov - HOFer - Perhaps should be ranked higher than Bure who was snubbed for 2 man Roy/Duff 06 class!

HM - Mats Sundin 1167 points, Teemu Selanne 1041 points, Alexander Mogilny 1032 points.


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Uh, Valery Kharlamov deserves mention as he is the greatest russian player of all time, and better than Bure or Fedorov.

In fact, usually when we do the euro category, Russians get their own "Russian" category.

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Uh, Valery Kharlamov deserves mention as he is the greatest russian player of all time, and better than Bure or Fedorov. In fact, usually when we do the euro category, Russians get their own "Russian" category.
Sorry, I should have said NHL players. Maybe I'll retire from thread starting. I spend 2 hours trying to get the title correct and I still blow it. Also, judging from my first post apparently I've never heard of Esa Tikkanen.


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Top 10 NHL Euro's

1. Hasek
2. Jagr
3. Lidstrom
4. Forsberg
5. Stastny
6. Fedorov
7. Kurri
8. Selanne
9. Salming
10. Bure

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12-19-2007, 12:06 AM
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Sorry, I should have said NHL players. Maybe I'll retire from thread starting. I spend 2 hours trying to get the title correct and I still blow it. Also, judging from my first post apparently I've never heard of Esa Tikkanen.
If it makes you feel better, Tikkanen shouldn't be on that list. Neither should Fetisov if this is NHL only.

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12-19-2007, 12:09 AM
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Top 10 NHL Euro's

1. Hasek
2. Jagr
3. Lidstrom
4. Forsberg
5. Stastny
6. Fedorov
7. Kurri
8. Selanne
9. Salming
10. Bure
Thanks for posting. I agree to disagree on the 1 player we have different. Some might argue Sundin over Selanne with you, but I'm not. Thanks again.

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If it makes you feel better, Tikkanen shouldn't be on that list. Neither should Fetisov if this is NHL only.
Thanks. Tomorrow I'll check to see if any Sundin fans disagree with us.

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Thanks. Tomorrow I'll check to see if any Sundin fans disagree with us.
You won't find a bigger Sundin fan than me. But his peak years (what I base my rankings on) were never as good as the players I listed. Although you can certainly slide him in ahead of Bure based on consistency and overall volume of work.

I like to compare players based on their best 5-7 years.


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Wow.

No tretiak?

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Your Top 10 European NHL Players

1. Lidstrom - Only European to win the Conn Smythe
2. Jagr - Best European forward
3. Hasek - Best European Goalie
4. Kurri - First European with 600 goals and 1000 points
5. Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups
6. Peter Stastny - 2nd to Gretzky in 80s points
7. Bure - Calder, 2 Richards
8. Salming - 1rst European Superstar
9. Federov - Only player in league history to win Hart & Selke in same year!
10. Fetisov - HOFer - Perhaps should be ranked higher than Bure who was snubbed for 2 man Roy/Duff 06 class!

HM - Mats Sundin 1167 points, Teemu Selanne 1041 points, Alexander Mogilny 1032 points, Larionov 644 points, Esa Tikkanen 630 points.
He may have 2 Richard trophy's, but he did lead the nhl in goals once before the trophy was introduced.

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Your Top 10 European NHL Players

1. Lidstrom - Only European to win the Conn Smythe
2. Jagr - Best European forward
3. Hasek - Best European Goalie
4. Kurri - First European with 600 goals and 1000 points
5. Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups
6. Peter Stastny - 2nd to Gretzky in 80s points
7. Bure - Calder, 2 Richards
8. Salming - 1rst European Superstar
9. Federov - Only player in league history to win Hart & Selke in same year!
10. Fetisov - HOFer - Perhaps should be ranked higher than Bure who was snubbed for 2 man Roy/Duff 06 class!

HM - Mats Sundin 1167 points, Teemu Selanne 1041 points, Alexander Mogilny 1032 points, Larionov 644 points, Esa Tikkanen 630 points.
Fedorov has to be above Bure. He was better in every aspect of the game except goal scoring.

Based on what they did in the NHL (because it's too hard to compare players from different leagues IMO):

1. Lidstrom (several great playoffs, conn smythe, owns the Norris for more than half a decade)
2. Hasek (best Euro goalie. hasn't done as much in the playoffs as Lidstrom and not as big a gap between him and his peers at his position)
3. Jagr (I have him last of the big 3 because of his lackadaisical play at times. No denying his talent, though)
4. Fedorov (a monster in the playoffs. I think he and Forsberg are interchangable at 4 and 5).
5. Forsberg
6. Kurri
7. Stastny
8. Bure (one of the best pure goalscorers of all time)
9. Salming
10. Selanne (Stanley Cup season gives him the edge over Sundin)

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Sundin, Lehtinen and Zubov have to be honorable mentions.

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1. Domanik Hasek (IMO the best goalie ever because he was the best relative to his peers)
2. Jaromir Jagr (5 Art Ross trophies)
3. Nick Lidstrom (5 Norris trophies)
4. Jari Kurri
5. Peter Forsberg
6. Peter Stastney
7. Borje Salming
8. Sergei Fedorov
9. Pavel Bure
10. Teemu Selanne

HM: Sundin, Alfredsson, Zubov (most underrated player of the last 15 years)

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Wow.

No tretiak?
Tretiak's NHL resume pales in comparison with the players listed.

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Lidstrom
Hasek
Jagr
Kurri
Stastny
Kharlamov
Mikhailov
Fedorov
Fetisov
Salming

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He didn't have the longevity, BUT Kent Nilsson was always well above a ppg player in both NHL and WHA...throughout his career....Deserves an honorable mention at least...

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i'd flip stastny and kurri, and i think #s 4-5 and 6-9 are pretty much interchangeable, but this list is pretty good --

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1. Lidstrom (several great playoffs, conn smythe, owns the Norris for more than half a decade)
2. Hasek (best Euro goalie. hasn't done as much in the playoffs as Lidstrom and not as big a gap between him and his peers at his position)
3. Jagr (I have him last of the big 3 because of his lackadaisical play at times. No denying his talent, though)
4. Fedorov (a monster in the playoffs. I think he and Forsberg are interchangable at 4 and 5).
5. Forsberg
6. Kurri
7. Stastny
8. Bure (one of the best pure goalscorers of all time)
9. Salming
10. Selanne (Stanley Cup season gives him the edge over Sundin)
assuming, of course, that we don't count mikita as a euro.

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Lidstrom
Hasek
Jagr
Kurri
Stastny
Kharlamov
Mikhailov
Fedorov
Fetisov
Salming
If you count NHL only, then Kharlamov, Mikhailov and Fetisov have nothing to do with this list.

If you count not only NHL, then it's a crime to have them below Kurri and Stastny Kharlamov is certainly number one.

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NHL ONLY

#1 Hasek
#2 Lidstrom
#3 Jagr

#4 Forsberg


#5 Stastny
#6 Kurri

#7 Fedorov
#8 Selanne
#9 Salming

#10 Bure

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1. Hasek (gets the nod over Jagr because he dominated like no other, even guys like Roy and Brodeur were nowhere close to Hasek during his best years, and they were in their prime as well. I have him as best goalie of alltime. The only knock against him in that regard, is that he was quite old when his NHL-career began).

2. Jagr (5 Art Ross Trophys, one of them in only 3/4 of a season, he was the offensive machine after Lemieux retired the first time)

3. Lidström (clearly the best European NHL-defenseman)

4. Stastny
5. Fedorov
6. Forsberg (close call between 5 and 6, Fedorov's production was far behind Forsberg in this decade, but he had a much longer career)

7. Kurri
8. Salming
9. Selanne
10. Bure

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If you are talking about a game that includes 200 feet, then Federov, Forsberg and Kurri deserve to be above Jagr on the list.

1). Hasek
2). Lidstrom
3). Kurri
4). Forsberg
5). Federov
6). Jagr
7). Salming
8). Stastny
9). Bure
10). Zubov


HM to Nikolai Khabibulin, who has exactly as many cups as Hasek.

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If you count NHL only, then Kharlamov, Mikhailov and Fetisov have nothing to do with this list.

If you count not only NHL, then it's a crime to have them below Kurri and Stastny Kharlamov is certainly number one.
Naaah.... I'm not a big fan of Kharlamov. But I agree that, in this case, Kurri (and even Stastny... why have I put Kurri ahead of Stastny?) would go below Kharlamov... and below Mikhailov as well.

I would put Mikhailov ahead of Kharlamov as well. Okay, Kharlamov was flashy, but I just beleive Mikhailov to be a more effective player.

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1. Hasek
2. Jagr
3. Lidstrom
4. Fedorov
5. Stastny
6. Kurri
7. Forsberg
8. Selanne
9. Bure
10. Salming

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If you are talking about a game that includes 200 feet, then Federov, Forsberg and Kurri deserve to be above Jagr on the list.
Jagr was far better offensively than those guys. You don't need to play great defense to be the best player in the game (see: Lemieux, Mario). The offensive performances Jagr put up were astounding.


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HM to Nikolai Khabibulin, who has exactly as many cups as Hasek.
HM to Dmitry Afanasenkov, who has infinitely more cups than Peter Stastny

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Seriously Bure?

Stan Mikita doesn't count???

Mikita was born in Slovakia??

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