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12-19-2007, 07:10 PM
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Seriously Bure?

Stan Mikita doesn't count???

Mikita was born in Slovakia??

He's generally considered Canadian in this sense because he grew up and was trained in Canada. Obviously he'd be on everyone's lists otherwise.

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12-19-2007, 09:33 PM
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1. Lidstrom
2. Hasek
3. Forsberg
4. Fedorov
5. Jagr
6. Kurri
7. Salming
8. Stastny
9. Selanne
10.Bure

HM to Sundin

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12-20-2007, 12:20 AM
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Selanne > Kurri.

1.Hasek
2.Jagr
3.Lidstrom
4.Forsberg
5.Fedorov

everyone else...

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12-20-2007, 12:59 AM
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1. Hasek
2. Lidstrom
3. Fedorov
4. Forsberg
5. Jagr
6. Stastny
7. Kurri
8. Bure
9. Salming
10. Selanne

HM: Sundin, Zubov

I find Jagr to be very overrated, he's always been astounding offensive player, but has been utterly horrible defensively most of his career and had a personality that rivaled his defensive play...

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12-20-2007, 05:16 AM
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Forsberg ahead of Bure, Sundin, Salming, Lindbergh and others? O_o

Pretty high for a forward who has gotten the chance to play with some of the most talented forwards around without ever topping 30 goals.

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12-20-2007, 05:41 AM
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I assumed it's about who was best player, not about accomplishments and career... and Forsberg was far better player than say Sundin.

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12-20-2007, 08:10 AM
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Forsberg ahead of Bure, Sundin, Salming, Lindbergh and others? O_o

Pretty high for a forward who has gotten the chance to play with some of the most talented forwards around without ever topping 30 goals.
Since when do how many goals one of the greatest playmakers get matter? Assists are just as important as goals when from a guy like Forsberg. He makes impossible goals happen while banking it off your stick before you even notice the puck was there.

In any case, he was so feared for his passing ability that he would shoot more in the playoffs while everyone was cutting his lanes off. He has more playoff goals than most greats.
Despite his limited career, injury filled, and young, he is tied with Jagr for 15th all time playoff scoring

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12-20-2007, 08:36 AM
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Forsberg ahead of Bure, Sundin, Salming, Lindbergh and others? O_o

Pretty high for a forward who has gotten the chance to play with some of the most talented forwards around without ever topping 30 goals.
Are you saying that Bure was a better player then Forsberg?

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12-20-2007, 02:02 PM
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not in order i chose 11.

Jagr
Hasek
Sundin
Lidstrom
Federov
Kurri
Forsberg
Selanne
Stastny
Mikita
Bure

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12-20-2007, 03:17 PM
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Are you saying that Bure was a better player then Forsberg?
Just ignore him, he has some kind of hatred against Forsberg. I've seen him post the same crap about him in several other threads, those other players he listed is not on par with Forsberg either, especially if we talk about who the best player was.

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12-20-2007, 03:35 PM
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ah sorry, I didnt see that it was NHL players as described in the actual post and not the title. so tretiak is pretty much nullified there.

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Hasek
Lidstrom
Jagr
Stastny
Forsberg
Fedorov
Kurri
Salming
Bure
Sundin/Selanne

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12-25-2007, 06:55 PM
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My European first team would be:

D Lidstrom - Only European to win the Conn Smythe
RW Jagr - Best European forward
G Hasek - Best European Goalie
C Kurri - First European with 600 goals and 1000 points
D Salming - 1rst European Superstar
LW Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups - I cheated on his position.

HM: Peter Stastny - 2nd to Gretzky in 80s points, Bure - Calder, 2 Richards, Federov- Only player in league history to win Hart & Selke in same year, Fetisov - HOFer.

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12-25-2007, 09:03 PM
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European NHL'ers Career Points.+ means still active.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/records/minor_record.php3

11)Jagr 1555+
13) Mikita 1467
18) Kurri 1398
30) Sundin 1285+
35) P.Stastny 1239
47) Selanne 1135
51) Federov 1122+
63) Mogilny 1032
88) Lidstrom 900+
96) Forsberg 871
98) Boldirev 866

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12-27-2007, 11:02 PM
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1 - Jaromir Jagr
2 - Nicklas Lidstrom
3 - Jari Kurri
4 - Peter Statsny
5 - Borje Salming
6 - Dominik Hasek
7 - Slava Fetisov
8 - Sergei Fedorov
9 - Igor Larionov
10 - Pavel Bure

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12-28-2007, 12:24 AM
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lets try this

1)Jagr
2)Hasek
3)Lidstrom
4)Mikita
5)Kurri
6)Statsny
7)Federov
8)Sundin
9)Forsberg
10)Selanne

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12-28-2007, 01:12 AM
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01. Hasek
02. Lidstrom
03. Mikita
04. Kurri
05. Fedorov
06. Jagr
07. Zubov
08. Forsberg
09. Salming
10. Sundin

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12-28-2007, 03:55 AM
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One thing I find hard to deal with when looking at players I haven't seen play is that all there is to look at is statistics. And players whos careers have been cut short by injuries how do you weight their performance? I think one should look beyond statistics alone and e.g. look at their best 10 years combined.

Another example; Gretzky went through his whole career being tackled really hard about 3 times. I mean it was ridiculous to watch the reaction when somebody went after Gretzky. The poor guy was chased by every canadian in NHL for a year. Of course Gretzky had a long carrer. If I had the power I would throw out every player who tackles another guy in the head for ever. Tack about career ending injurie (Pat, Lindroos, Forsberg, Paul, Jönsson, ...). ********** cowards!

Another really important statistics is plus/minus. Ifr a guy does 50 goals in a season but has a plus/minus of -50 how do you weight that? And of course, the only true evidence that you in fact are a winner is thropies!

A lot of rambling from my part but now its said. All this comes down to that Forsberg is/was? the tuffest and most dominating center in the NHL for a decade. To watch him play with Sakic was pure poetry. He won couple of individual thropies that carries weight!! The Hart and Art Ross. He should have won the Conn Smythe also but... How many europeans have done that!! Forsberg is a lock high up on the list and for HOF.

Cheers...

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12-28-2007, 04:09 AM
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01. Hasek
02. Lidstrom
03. Mikita
04. Kurri
05. Fedorov
06. Jagr
07. Zubov
08. Forsberg
09. Salming
10. Sundin
As positively astounded as I am to find Jagr so low... where the hell is Stastny? I hate that guy and still wouldn't rank Zubov or Sundin (completely inferior in every way imaginable) ahead of him.

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12-28-2007, 09:29 AM
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1. Lidström
2. Jagr
3. Hasek
4. Forsberg
5. Kurri
6. Fedorov
7. Stastny
8. Selänne
9. Sundin
10. Salming

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My European first team would be:

D Lidstrom - Only European to win the Conn Smythe
RW Jagr - Best European forward
G Hasek - Best European Goalie
C Kurri - First European with 600 goals and 1000 points
D Salming - 1rst European Superstar
LW Forsberg - 2 Stanley Cups - I cheated on his position.

HM: Peter Stastny - 2nd to Gretzky in 80s points, Bure - Calder, 2 Richards, Federov- Only player in league history to win Hart & Selke in same year, Fetisov - HOFer.
Hummm... What's worst? Listing Kurri as a C or listing Stastny or listing Forsberg as a LW?

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12-28-2007, 11:33 AM
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Hummm... What's worst? Listing Kurri as a C or listing Stastny or listing Forsberg as a LW?
According to the NHL he was. http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=...l&pkey=8448569

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I'll be the exception and place Jagr #1 with 2-3 VERY close.

1. Jagr
2. Lidstrom
3. Hasek
4. Kurri
5. Forsberg
6. Fedorov
7. Stastny
8. Selanne
9. Bure
10. Salming

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As the number one I have looked at individual trophies and selected the most important (in my eyes):
Hasek - 6 Vezina and 2 Hart
Lidstrom - 5 Norris and 1 Conn Smythe
Jagr - 1 Hart (runner up 5 times!) and 5 Art Ross

How do you choose?? They are all winners. The goalie, the defenseman or the forward? Take your pick! My pick is Hasek!!!!

Cheers...

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As the number one I have looked at individual trophies and selected the most important (in my eyes):
Hasek - 6 Vezina and 2 Hart
Lidstrom - 5 Norris and 1 Conn Smythe
Jagr - 1 Hart (runner up 5 times!) and 5 Art Ross

How do you choose?? They are all winners. The goalie, the defenseman or the forward? Take your pick! My pick is Hasek!!!!

Cheers...
Jagr's complete awards,thats why i have him #1.

WJC-A All-Star Team (1990)
NHL All-Rookie Team (1991)
NHL First All-Star Team (1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2006)
Art Ross Trophy (1995, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001)
NHL Second All-Star Team (1997)
Lester B. Pearson Award (1999, 2000, 2006)
Hart Trophy (1999)
WC-A All-Star Team (2004)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (1992, 1993, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004)

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