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12-19-2007, 01:46 PM
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Forsberg for Christmas?

Haven't heard much on the Peter Forsberg front lately. With the team floundering right now do you think Homer will bite? Is Peter skating again?
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We better not sign him.

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We better not sign him.
i'm not interested in clearing any young players to bring him in... however, if they were to somehow get rid of Hatcher... plug Vandermeer in for him... and then sign him for a 1 year deal, i'd be all for it.

it would also potentially allow them to try the Carter on the wing experiment at last... which i'm firmly convinced would help him out a ton.

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I don't think he's going to play again... but i would take him back in a heartbeat

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I don't think he's going to play again... but i would take him back in a heartbeat
Same here. The last Swedish interview I read had Forsberg talking about his horses an awful lot, which leads me to believe that hockey is priority number two. When that happens, retirement usually follows (see Lindros).

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hmmm....i didnt even think that the eager trade could have anything to do with this, but who knows. i'd take him back if we didnt have to lose much of anything but i dont know how realistic that is.

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Hasn't not paying Gagne freed up a bunch of money? I mean, if Gagne misses 30 games, doesn't that free up like 2 million dollars?

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Hasn't not paying Gagne freed up a bunch of money? I mean, if Gagne misses 30 games, doesn't that free up like 2 million dollars?
when Gagne comes back, so does his salary... it doesn't go away, away.

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i'm not interested in clearing any young players to bring him in... however, if they were to somehow get rid of Hatcher... plug Vandermeer in for him... and then sign him for a 1 year deal, i'd be all for it.

it would also potentially allow them to try the Carter on the wing experiment at last... which i'm firmly convinced would help him out a ton.
I agree with Jester on this one... I'f love to see them try Carter on the wing.

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Maybe they are hockey playing horses?

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Flyers are at around $31K of cap space right now (although it's only an estimate, so it might be off a couple of thousand knowing IB)... I don't think Forsberg is in the cards.

http://www.nhlscap.com/teamnumbers.htm

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Flyers are at around $31K of cap space right now (although it's only an estimate, so it might be off a couple of thousand knowing IB)... I don't think Forsberg is in the cards.

http://www.nhlscap.com/teamnumbers.htm
That is with Gagne back healthy, isn't? We're into LTIR relief territory with him now, I would think.

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It doesn't look like they have put him on LTIR yet. You only get to 'replace' the salary while he's on LTIR, so I doubt they'll even put Gagne on there unless they have to due to the Vandermeer-Eager deal.

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That is with Gagne back healthy, isn't? We're into LTIR relief territory with him now, I would think.
the salary doesn't "go away." when the player comes back his entire salary is on the cap... the player can be "replaced" but you then need to reconfigure your cap when Gagne comes back with his full contract.

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the salary doesn't "go away." when the player comes back his entire salary is on the cap... the player can be "replaced" but you then need to reconfigure your cap when Gagne comes back with his full contract.
I know that part. I just assumed that we were using some of Gagne's space while he was gone once it hit 10 games or whatever the criterion, and that at least one player would be sent down once he is back.

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I know that part. I just assumed that we were using some of Gagne's space while he was gone once it hit 10 games or whatever the criterion, and that at least one player would be sent down once he is back.
i think it's more complex than simply deciding to do it like that... IB can explain it i'm sure.

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I'm pretty sure you have to designate him for it. There is also a strategy to it, so you can maximize the replacement value, because you only get to exempt the portion of the 'replacement' salary that brings you over the cap.

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I hate to say this, but Forsberg has been clear that if he comes back he wants to play for a winner. The way we're playing, that's not us.

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I'm pretty sure you have to designate him for it. There is also a strategy to it, so you can maximize the replacement value, because you only get to exempt the portion of the 'replacement' salary that brings you over the cap.
Hmmmm. . . Complicated stuff. I wonder why they wouldn't designate him for it immediately once he hit the minimum number of games? Trying to stay flexible for whenever he does come back? The NHL cap confuses even me, and I don't mind reading arcane business-related stuff.

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I hate to say this, but Forsberg has been clear that if he comes back he wants to play for a winner. The way we're playing, that's not us.
Forsberg's style of play is exactly what this team needs at the moment. I'm sure he knows the kind of impact he'll have with a team.

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This isn't a perfect illustration, but it's as close as I've been able to come with a 'simple' illustration on how the cap works.

Consider two accounts. We'll call one 'Running Cap' and the other 'Today's Cap'.

There is a lower limit of $34.3M and an Upper Limit of $50.3M.

So, here we are on the day before the regular season starts, and assume there are 182 days in the regular season total.

Your Running Cap has $0. Your Today's Cap has the total of the cap hit of all players on the 23 man roster plus all the cap hits of the people on LTIR. Let's say Today's Cap to start the regular season is $49.5M, and there is no one on LTIR.

Now we go into day 1 of the regular season. 1/182 of the amount in the Today's Cap account is put into the Running Cap: $271,978. That money is in that account for good.

Now, to be within cap limits, you have to calculate this value, and be over the lower limit and below the upper limit:

Running Cap + #days remaining of RS / 182 * Today's Cap

Now, assume nothing changes until day 60, when a player with a cap hit of $3M goes onto LTIR. The team brings in a player with a $2.7M cap hit to replace him.

Now we have $16,318,681 in the 'Running Cap' account. Our Today's Cap account is at $49.5M + $2.7M = $52.2M. We calculate our cap number now $51,310,069; this is over the upper limit, so we are going to be allowed to exceed the cap by $1,010,069. Let's consider this the Injury Allowance.

Now day 90 comes, and the guy is off LTIR, and we release his replacement.

After day 90, our running cap total is $16,318,681 + 30/182 * $52,200,000, or $24,923,076.

We run out the rest of the year without incident, so we have 92 more days at $49.5M, which is $25,021,979, for a final total of $49,945,055. We aren't over the cap, so the injury allowance doesn't come into play. I believe in this case, you would be allowed to exceed the cap by about 30/182 of the $1.019M ... but this is the one number I'm not positive about.

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This isn't a perfect illustration, but it's as close as I've been able to come with a 'simple' illustration on how the cap works.

Consider two accounts. We'll call one 'Running Cap' and the other 'Today's Cap'.

There is a lower limit of $34.3M and an Upper Limit of $50.3M.

So, here we are on the day before the regular season starts, and assume there are 182 days in the regular season total.

Your Running Cap has $0. Your Today's Cap has the total of the cap hit of all players on the 23 man roster plus all the cap hits of the people on LTIR. Let's say Today's Cap to start the regular season is $49.5M, and there is no one on LTIR.

Now we go into day 1 of the regular season. 1/182 of the amount in the Today's Cap account is put into the Running Cap: $271,978. That money is in that account for good.

Now, to be within cap limits, you have to calculate this value, and be over the lower limit and below the upper limit:

Running Cap + #days remaining of RS / 182 * Today's Cap

Now, assume nothing changes until day 60, when a player with a cap hit of $3M goes onto LTIR. The team brings in a player with a $2.7M cap hit to replace him.

Now we have $16,318,681 in the 'Running Cap' account. Our Today's Cap account is at $49.5M + $2.7M = $52.2M. We calculate our cap number now $51,310,069; this is over the upper limit, so we are going to be allowed to exceed the cap by $1,010,069. Let's consider this the Injury Allowance.

Now day 90 comes, and the guy is off LTIR, and we release his replacement.

After day 90, our running cap total is $16,318,681 + 30/182 * $52,200,000, or $24,923,076.

We run out the rest of the year without incident, so we have 92 more days at $49.5M, which is $25,021,979, for a final total of $49,945,055. We aren't over the cap, so the injury allowance doesn't come into play. I believe in this case, you would be allowed to exceed the cap by about 30/182 of the $1.019M ... but this is the one number I'm not positive about.

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