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12-27-2007, 08:57 AM
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How much difference is there between Ribs and Spezza or Marc Savard? Very little really. Locker room cancer? Unsubtantiated. The work world is politized for everyone. Mature management is needed. Garbage about what works on what line is tiresome. If a team has three good centers that is a good thing. No more trading the Ribs and Turgeons.

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12-27-2007, 09:30 AM
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How much difference is there between Ribs and Spezza or Marc Savard? Very little really. Locker room cancer? Unsubtantiated. The work world is politized for everyone. Mature management is needed. Garbage about what works on what line is tiresome. If a team has three good centers that is a good thing. No more trading the Ribs and Turgeons.
Please do not tell me you are comparing Ribeiro to Spezza or even Savard? Come now....

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12-27-2007, 09:35 AM
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Please do not tell me you are comparing Ribeiro to Savard? Come now....
He was establishing the similarities between them being locker room cancers
and nuisances to their respective organiations.Both having that kind
of behaviour and the lack of commitment,desire,hard work,exploiting their
potential at their best...both got traded to another teams and started
progressively to mature,being disciplined and significantly maximize their
potential...and then become very solid players offensively.

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12-27-2007, 10:27 AM
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I don't know how trading a top 10 point getter for Ninimaa can be seen as a "necessary" move.

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12-27-2007, 10:41 AM
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How much difference is there between Ribs and Spezza or Marc Savard? Very little really. Locker room cancer? Unsubtantiated. The work world is politized for everyone. Mature management is needed. Garbage about what works on what line is tiresome. If a team has three good centers that is a good thing. No more trading the Ribs and Turgeons.
I think alot of people made up their mind in the 05 Playoffs when Saku got injured, and Ribs did absolutely nothing as the #1 center. A whopping 2 points in 6 games, to match a 51 pt season.

Then Plekanec soundly outplayed Ribs last year, and Mikey wasn't strong enough defensively to go on the 3rd line, so what was Bob to do?

It's not like Ribs had much value, and he wasn't helping us win.

It looks like a very bad trade now, but I wanna look again after 82 games, and then see what he does in the playoffs.

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12-27-2007, 10:46 AM
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No more trading the Ribs and Turgeons.
Don't even try to put Ribs in the class that Turgeons is in, because if thats what your doing you need

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12-27-2007, 10:55 AM
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I don't know how trading a top 10 point getter for Ninimaa can be seen as a "necessary" move.
Top 10 producer in the NHL to describe Ribeiro is a aberration

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12-27-2007, 10:56 AM
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I think alot of people made up their mind in the 05 Playoffs when Saku got injured, and Ribs did absolutely nothing as the #1 center. A whopping 2 points in 6 games, to match a 51 pt season.

Then Plekanec soundly outplayed Ribs last year, and Mikey wasn't strong enough defensively to go on the 3rd line, so what was Bob to do?

It's not like Ribs had much value, and he wasn't helping us win.

It looks like a very bad trade now, but I wanna look again after 82 games, and then see what he does in the playoffs.
Ribeiro was the only center who could had made Kovalev produce last season. They had found some chemistry the year before. This is enough of a reason why this team did not make the playoffs. Carbonneau was unable to find a solution. (of course, another Gainey"s mistake, Samsonov, was around to make things worse...)

The Habs' brass decided that Ribs should go, for some reasons unrelated to on ice performance. That's their decision. Too bad for what they got in return.

Ribeiro now has matured and he is better surrounded. He could average 80 points per season for the next 5 years.

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12-27-2007, 04:29 PM
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Yet he had a major slump the following season and was never able to match that 65pts again in Montreal.
That 65 point season was his breakout year. The following season, he almost matched his goal totals and had 51 points. Was that a great achievement? No. But would I call a drop of 14 points in what was effectively his sophomore season a *major slump*? Absolutely not.

It was a good season enough to be again one of the better offensive forwards of the team. I'd call that the usual bump on the road to success.

It's not like Ribeiro was a highly paid veteran at that point. He was still adapting.

And for the record, Ribeiro may not have matched his 65 point record last year in Dallas, but he was actually a better player.

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Yes he is having a career year but what he gets this season as a point total, he will never match again.
And you would know that how?

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12-27-2007, 04:37 PM
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I don't know how trading a top 10 point getter for Ninimaa can be seen as a "necessary" move.
I think we can agree that what we received back for Ribeiro was not fair value. But at the time of the trade, Ribeiro wasn't half the player that he has shown so far this year.

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12-27-2007, 04:43 PM
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And you would know that how?
Personally, I think Ribs will continue to put up decent points, but his shooting % is crazy right now and unlikely to remain so high. His goal production is probably a bit of an anomaly at the moment and will slow down eventually.

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I'd rather lose than have Ribeiro.

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12-27-2007, 06:14 PM
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I think we can agree that what we received back for Ribeiro was not fair value. But at the time of the trade, Ribeiro wasn't half the player that he has shown so far this year.
Still for us, Ribeiro was respectively 1st and 4th in scoring over the last 2 years. While not even close of being what he is this year, still represented something to us.....

You just cannot trade any offensive players who's a little creative while your biggest weakness is your offense and your creativity.....Or if you do, address your needs, and nobody can even begin to to make me understand that Niinimaa was a need. Even if they had no confidence in Jancevski or any other UFA. Anybody could have made the job Niinimaa did....Bad professionnal scouting there like there is a lot of time in this org.

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12-27-2007, 06:17 PM
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I'd rather lose than have Ribeiro.
Then loose. And spend another playoffs season watching other teams !

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12-27-2007, 06:25 PM
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Well,we can conclude that Ribeiro isn't a Hab anymore,he isn't certainly THAT important to generate this amount of discussion,and he left Montreal in bad terms...

and I think personally that this thread should be closed.Come on,we
all recognize that is a awful trade and Dallas racks up the benefits of it,but you have to observe the circumstances around that trade..
and this has been discussed a lot.


Move on,it's the best option that than debating on a subject who
has been beaten to death.Outrageously pessimistic and redundant.

Mods,please close it.

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Well,we can conclude that Ribeiro isn't a Hab anymore,he isn't certainly THAT important to generate this amount of discussion,and he left Montreal in bad terms...

and I think personally that this thread should be closed.Come on,we
all recognize that is a awful trade and Dallas racks up the benefits of it,but you have to observe the circumstances around that trade..
and this has been discussed a lot.


Move on,it's the best option that than debating on a subject who
has been beaten to death.Outrageously pessimistic and redundant.

Mods,please close it.
I've started it, and I want it closed too !

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12-27-2007, 06:31 PM
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I've started it, and I want it closed too !
At least one here agrees with me!

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I've started it, and I want it closed too !
Done.

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