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12-25-2007, 11:33 PM
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KPD in the Boston Globe talk about the Bruins in desperate straights for a defenseman.
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...y_drop/?page=2

Kessel is falling out of favor already and....

Kessel was the No. 5 pick in the 2006 draft. Five years earlier, Stanislav Chistov was taken fifth overall by the Anaheim Ducks, who dealt him last year to the Bruins. He wasn't totally useless, but he wasn't much more. Today, Chistov is back in Russia, another once-prime prospect gone bust. Kessel has more to offer, because of his speed and a knack around the net during shootouts. But he must show the coaching staff that he's willing to be smarter and work harder, especially in the dirtier areas of the ice.

I don't get it. These seem like the same growing pain almost every young offensive star goes through. Everyone gets benched in games and everyone gets yelled at by their coach.

He's almost matched his goal pace from last year. He's going to probably score 20-25g this season. They would be idiots to trade him unless it was for someone like Beauchemin or a defender of his quality. Either way they're already shallow offensively so I don't see them moving him unless he totally flames out there with management.

Who are the Caps going to trade for him honestly? Mo back to Boston? Not sure I would trade Mo for Kessel because of our own depth issues on D. If they could somehow be Jedi mind tricked into Pothier/Eminger sign me up.


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12-26-2007, 08:47 AM
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Because CLEARLY....Zubrus, Kozlov, Nylander and Backstrom are as good as Datsyuk.


You are on CRACK!


Zubrus, Kozlov, Nylander aren't 1/2 the player that Datsyuk is (ok 6/8 for Nyls) and Backstrom hasn't had enough time to develop or prove a thing.
No...I am not saying that. I think you know that, but I will clarify for you. Nylander is better than Zubrus by a significant margin. Zubrus is better than Halpern by a significant margin. Yet, whoever he plays with the results are basically the same.

I am sure that you would have thought Bondra would have been far more effective with Adam Oates than Andrei Nikolishin.

The value to your claims is that there is always a better player available than what the Caps have. You can always claim that OV is being held back by his teammates/linemates. Nylander is good enough to center a scoring champion and has. Backstrom may be better yet.

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12-26-2007, 09:29 AM
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Then why don't we put Brashear and Steckel with Ovechkin. Steckel can win the face-offs, while Brashear goes into the corners and gets the puck for Ovechkin and then they get out of Ovechkin's way.

During the All-Star game last year Ovechkin was making an extra effort to use his teammates well, because he had good teammates. This year Ovechkin is trying to use his teammates more, but when he passses it to Pettinger or Kozlov they miss the puck. And when he gives it to Nylander, Nylander gives it to the other team.
I still he needs decent talent, but he does not need to be surrounded by top line talent to be successful.

And by the way, the Caps basically did that when they put a checking line winger in Clark on his line and that seemed to work well. Its not like those two are a Gretzky to Kurri combo.

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Have you lost it? Ovechkin can and does work with his teammates. Give him someone like Datsyuk and he scores 60g IMO. What Ovechkin CAN do is generate offense all by his lonesome, even without a great playmaker. That does NOT mean he wouldn't benefit from an elite playmaker next to him.
Sorry, I don't think he will ever be the type of player who looks to make 2 or 3 passes with his linemates and create a chance. He wants to get the puck and attack himself.

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12-26-2007, 10:16 AM
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The Bruins need defence, not offence.

Pothier (when healthy) + 2nd round pick + Patrick Mcneil

For Kessel
ummm... Nyet!

the caps need defense right now, any trade should be to acquire a top 4 D... not give one of ours away

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12-26-2007, 10:41 AM
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ummm... Nyet!

the caps need defense right now, any trade should be to acquire a top 4 D... not give one of ours away

The offence is the Caps problems this year. When Pothier was scratched we were 2-0, right.

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I still he needs decent talent, but he does not need to be surrounded by top line talent to be successful.

And by the way, the Caps basically did that when they put a checking line winger in Clark on his line and that seemed to work well. Its not like those two are a Gretzky to Kurri combo.



Sorry, I don't think he will ever be the type of player who looks to make 2 or 3 passes with his linemates and create a chance. He wants to get the puck and attack himself.
You obviously never seem him in NT games. Ovechkin as Kovalchuk - POW's - perfect offensive weapons, they can do it all. Why Ovechking can't score 158 points and win Art? Ovechkin... no Washington need true PP QB, Gonchar/Zubov caliber. Look at Penguins, they fan's always crap over Gonchar... he suck in D... he old... he leech... until Gonchar injured and Penguins PP collapsed AND all these superstars Malkin, Crosby stop scoring.

PP is a key, fast transition from defence to offence is a key. I can guarantee if Caps trade for smart def with good outlet pass (Vishnovsky at least) Ovechkin start producing even more. It was clear as sunny day this offseason - Caps NEED PP QB, yet these idiot's throw money on Poti, Nylander instead of Markov.

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12-26-2007, 11:14 AM
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You obviously never seem him in NT games. Ovechkin as Kovalchuk - POW's - perfect offensive weapons, they can do it all. Why Ovechking can't score 158 points and win Art? Ovechkin... no Washington need true PP QB, Gonchar/Zubov caliber. Look at Penguins, they fan's always crap over Gonchar... he suck in D... he old... he leech... until Gonchar injured and Penguins PP collapsed AND all these superstars Malkin, Crosby stop scoring.

PP is a key, fast transition from defence to offence is a key. I can guarantee if Caps trade for smart def with good outlet pass (Vishnovsky at least) Ovechkin start producing even more. It was clear as sunny day this offseason - Caps NEED PP QB, yet these idiot's throw money on Poti, Nylander instead of Markov.
Russians who could turn AO into an Art Ross winner:

1) Gonchar
2) Zubov
3) Vishnovsky
4) Markov



No one gives a crap if Ovechkin ever wins an Art Ross. It's the team trophy we're after. You wanna see him score meaningless goals with those players, wait for the Olympics.

Jasper's right. In the NHL (sample size of almost 200 games) Alex is guilty of not using his linemates. Because he's so successful and so dedicated to defensive play (for a winger) that's ok. It's really fine. But since he is hesitant to pass, even to work a give and go, it's pretty much a waste to give him superstar linemates. He needs a decent center who can draw coverage, pass and ocassionally enter the offensive zone and a RW who is fast, has hands, plays the boards, has a great wrist shot, and is ok playing 2nd fiddle.

As has been mentioned, AO's 1 timer is weak and he's usually wearing 2 defensemen on his back. Those factors combined pretty much preclude him from getting 25 layups that a fantastic center could give him.

As he grows mentally, Ovechkin will score 60 goals and probably more, but he doesn't need a great center to do it. That's the brilliance of his game. He's a one man wrecking crew.

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12-26-2007, 11:38 AM
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Russians who could turn AO into an Art Ross winner:

1) Gonchar
2) Zubov
3) Vishnovsky
4) Markov



No one gives a crap if Ovechkin ever wins an Art Ross. It's the team trophy we're after. You wanna see him score meaningless goals with those players, wait for the Olympics.

Jasper's right. In the NHL (sample size of almost 200 games) Alex is guilty of not using his linemates. Because he's so successful and so dedicated to defensive play (for a winger) that's ok. It's really fine. But since he is hesitant to pass, even to work a give and go, it's pretty much a waste to give him superstar linemates. He needs a decent center who can draw coverage, pass and ocassionally enter the offensive zone and a RW who is fast, has hands, plays the boards, has a great wrist shot, and is ok playing 2nd fiddle.

As has been mentioned, AO's 1 timer is weak and he's usually wearing 2 defensemen on his back. Those factors combined pretty much preclude him from getting 25 layups that a fantastic center could give him.

As he grows mentally, Ovechkin will score 60 goals and probably more, but he doesn't need a great center to do it. That's the brilliance of his game. He's a one man wrecking crew.
1. Vishnovsky not Russian
2. If this team can get this czech dude (Kaberlo his name?) from Toronto i would be happiest panda in the world.
3. With Caps D corps and old man Kolzig, the only way this team ever made play-off it's by building offence-first and foremost team around Ov, Semin and Backstrom. So good for Ove, good for Caps.

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It would seem that the Caps defense corp gets no cred from you while they are in fact what you are suggesting the Caps need. You basically mirror McPhee's public statements.

Poti. A quality mobile defense that provides top notch passing in the defensive zone. The only complaint from Caps fans is that he is not shooting.

Green. Acknowledged as a future star offensive defenseman breaking out.

Morrisonn. Smooth non-rushing defense with soft hands and a quick first pass.

Pothier. Quick to the puck. Good puck handling and quick first pass.

That's four of the usual 6. All above average or better in that area.

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Russians who could turn AO into an Art Ross winner:

1) Gonchar
2) Zubov
3) Vishnovsky
4) Markov



No one gives a crap if Ovechkin ever wins an Art Ross. It's the team trophy we're after. You wanna see him score meaningless goals with those players, wait for the Olympics.

Jasper's right. In the NHL (sample size of almost 200 games) Alex is guilty of not using his linemates. Because he's so successful and so dedicated to defensive play (for a winger) that's ok. It's really fine. But since he is hesitant to pass, even to work a give and go, it's pretty much a waste to give him superstar linemates. He needs a decent center who can draw coverage, pass and ocassionally enter the offensive zone and a RW who is fast, has hands, plays the boards, has a great wrist shot, and is ok playing 2nd fiddle.

As has been mentioned, AO's 1 timer is weak and he's usually wearing 2 defensemen on his back. Those factors combined pretty much preclude him from getting 25 layups that a fantastic center could give him.

As he grows mentally, Ovechkin will score 60 goals and probably more, but he doesn't need a great center to do it. That's the brilliance of his game. He's a one man wrecking crew.
Exaclty, the Caps should have tried to find a good 2 way center who can win draws to play between Ovechkin and Clark rather than spend big money on a guy like Nylander.

Clark works well with Ovechkin because he doesn't do to much. He works hard, goes in the corners, drives the net, has good speed and can score when the opportunity is there. Thats all AO needs.

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