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12-27-2007, 02:29 PM
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Filewich, Brent and 2nd round pick for Stuart, Nagy, Tukonen?
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12-27-2007, 02:37 PM
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I think Ivanans will end up staying again.
I think Ivanans can be dealt. Kevin Westgarth can pretty much do what he does. doesnt look out of place, good skater can chip in with a goal here and there.

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12-27-2007, 02:42 PM
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Ryan Stoa and Colorado's 1st for Rob Blake

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12-27-2007, 02:45 PM
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True, good points even though I'd disagree with who you'd rather have.

How about;
Stuart+Nagy+Tukonen
to Pitt for
Stone+1st
If that proposal is on the table, I think the Pens should do it (they probably wouldn't) but I think it's a very fair offer.

Kings fans agree?

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12-27-2007, 02:47 PM
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How is Tukonen doing? is he not developing? I thought he was a given to make the big team this year.
Every time he gets going on a little bit of a roll, he seems to get injured. There have been a lot of starts and stops with his development...

Then there's the Purcell factor to consider as well. Tukonen is getting pushed down the depth chart...

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12-27-2007, 02:48 PM
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Ryan Stoa and Colorado's 1st for Rob Blake
I'll take it!

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I think Ivanans can be dealt. Kevin Westgarth can pretty much do what he does. doesnt look out of place, good skater can chip in with a goal here and there.
He should play with Ivanans because the Kings need more Ivanans's

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12-27-2007, 02:52 PM
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I'll take it!



He should play with Ivanans because the Kings need more Ivanans's
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Ryan Stoa and Colorado's 1st for Rob Blake
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12-27-2007, 03:37 PM
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Ryan Stoa and Colorado's 1st for Rob Blake

LA would do this in a second. If LA can swing that proposal and the Pitt proposal I may even smile.

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12-27-2007, 05:18 PM
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I'm still not sure how Phoenix got a 1st for Nagy last year.
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I think the Canucks would be pretty interested in Derek Armstrong, especially considering we are currently missing two of our top three centres. We'd probably part with a 3rd for him.
Actually the Canucks are a team I think the Kings should be talking to. The Canucks need some secondary scoring help, and as you mentioned now with injuries need some help down the middle. The Canucks also have a stockpile of D, currently with some injuries sure, but when healthy they have more than 7 or 8 D men that could all see time in the playoffs, and they also have a couple strong D prospects waiting to come up also.

The Kings should be thinking someone like Matt Moulson or Teddy Purcell can come in to replace Nagy, and Likewise Trevor Lewis for Derek Armstrong.

So, how about something like ...

To Vancouver :
- Ladislav Nagy (LW)
- Derek Armstrong (C)
- a prospect ? {maybe Tukonen or ?}

To Los Angeles :
- Alexander Edler (D) /or Lukas Krajicek (D) /or Luc Bourdon (D) +
- a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in 2008


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12-27-2007, 05:26 PM
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depending on who the rangers trade for on clumbus, they may be interested in stuart

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12-27-2007, 05:32 PM
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Actually the Canucks are a team I think the Kings should be talking to. The Canucks need some secondary scoring help, and as you mentioned now with injuries need some help down the middle. The Canucks also have a stockpile of D, currently with some injuries sure, but when healthy they have more than 7 or 8 D men that could all see time in the playoffs, and they also have a couple strong D prospects waiting to come up also.

The Kings should be thinking someone like Matt Moulson or Teddy Purcell can come in to replace Nagy, and Likewise Trevor Lewis for Derek Armstrong.

So, how about something like ...

To Vancouver :
- Ladislav Nagy (LW)
- Derek Armstrong (C)
- a prospect ? {maybe Tukonen or ?}

To Los Angeles :
- Alexander Edler (D) /or Lukas Krajicek (D) /or Luc Bourdon (D) +
- a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in 2008
Canuck fans are going to go through the roof at the idea of trading Edler. My guess is the only one of the three they'd consider an offer for is Krajicek, and even then they wouldn't want to give up those picks in addition. I'm curious about Bourdon though. He's lost some of the inflated top-10 pick luster but I expect he's still quite a good prospect and from what I've heard he's played well in AHL.

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12-27-2007, 06:14 PM
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I think Stuart and Lombardi worked out a deal, before he signed his current deal, that he will be resigned when some of the dead weight is off the kings books. Don't think he'll be moved but that is all opinion.
Even if that is the case, I would imagine they could keep their agreement even if Stuart was traded. It's a win-win scenario. Stuart gets to go to a potential contender/playoff team and the Kings get a return on the trade and then he comes back next fall to the Kings.

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The best thing that can happen this year is if Blake waives his NTC but I highly doubt that will ever take place.
I think it's more likely to happen this year than last even though he would've helped us a lot more by leaving last year. Blake could pull a Doug weight by being traded and coming back the next season. Regardless of how horrible Blake has played, it's almost a given he'll be playing for the Kings next season. It's the contract amount and role that is the question mark.

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12-27-2007, 07:36 PM
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So, how about something like ...

To Vancouver :
- Ladislav Nagy (LW)
- Derek Armstrong (C)
- a prospect ? {maybe Tukonen or ?}

To Los Angeles :
- Alexander Edler (D) /or Lukas Krajicek (D) /or Luc Bourdon (D) +
- a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in 2008
Edler>Krajicek>Bourdon at this point. I could see the Canucks parting with Krajicek in a deal like this, doesn't seem too far off. However all indications are that the Canucks brass is in love with their defensive depth and don't intend to move anyone of any value this season. You need defensive depth to win in the NHL playoffs. The deal isn't far off value wise (Krajicek + Pick for Nagy and Armstrong), but I see the Canucks trying to sneak a guy like Weaver (who may even have a 2-way deal) into the minors if need be. But given the injury history of this blueline core... you can't afford to give up any NHL depth at this point. Picks and prospects will be moved first (Bourdon would not shock me).

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12-27-2007, 07:37 PM
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Actually the Canucks are a team I think the Kings should be talking to. The Canucks need some secondary scoring help, and as you mentioned now with injuries need some help down the middle. The Canucks also have a stockpile of D, currently with some injuries sure, but when healthy they have more than 7 or 8 D men that could all see time in the playoffs, and they also have a couple strong D prospects waiting to come up also.

The Kings should be thinking someone like Matt Moulson or Teddy Purcell can come in to replace Nagy, and Likewise Trevor Lewis for Derek Armstrong.

So, how about something like ...

To Vancouver :
- Ladislav Nagy (LW)
- Derek Armstrong (C)
- a prospect ? {maybe Tukonen or ?}

To Los Angeles :
- Alexander Edler (D) /or Lukas Krajicek (D) /or Luc Bourdon (D) +
- a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in 2008
I'd pass on that deal for sure...Nagy isn't the kind of guy you would like to add for the sole purposes of a playoff run. Armstrong is merely okay but I'd rather give ice time to young, developing players like Raymond or a guy trying to crack the NHL like Jaffray. I wouldn't trade Edler alone for that package, just because I think his versatility on the blueline and potential is worth more to the team come playoff time than a super streaky winger, a third line centerman and a prospect.

The Canucks would appear to be good partners with Kings for a trade, but upon further inspection they really aren't. The Kings don't have a physical forward that they would be willing to give up who can play top six minutes and is young (Brown fits that category to perfection but the Kings would be retarded to trade him unless it was drastic overpayment) . They also don't have a center that they're willing to part with that would fit the Canucks needs as well (unless they were once again retraded and handed us Kopitar).

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12-27-2007, 08:22 PM
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Only way the Canucks get Brown or Kopitar is if Luongo is coming to L.A.

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12-27-2007, 09:39 PM
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So, how about something like ...

To Vancouver :
- Ladislav Nagy (LW)
- Derek Armstrong (C)
- a prospect ? {maybe Tukonen or ?}

To Los Angeles :
- Alexander Edler (D) /or Lukas Krajicek (D) /or Luc Bourdon (D) +
- a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in 2008
No way does Vancouver make this trade. First, if you see my criticism of Nagy above that suggests I don't think too highly of him, well I don't. And neither will the Canucks after Willie Mitchell basically made Nagy disappear last spring by playing him physically.

That being said, if instead of Nagy you're offering a forward who can play on the right and in the top six, can score and does not give compelling reasons to believe he will be a post-season nonfactor, I think Vancouver has to look pretty hard at it. I'd make that trade at least. You guys just don't seem to have the kind of forward that we want, or not one who is available at least.

But that is what we'd be looking to trade one of our young defenders for. And no to Edler unless we're getting someone like O'Sullivan or Brown in return.

A counter offer I would make (although I don't believe Dave Nonis would trade a first) is

To Los Angeles:
1st Round Pick
(maybe some fodder, Matt Cooke or Mike Weaver or something if you like)

To Vancouver:
Derek Armstrong (C)
Trevor Lewis (C)

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Armstrong is merely okay but I'd rather give ice time to young, developing players like Raymond or a guy trying to crack the NHL like Jaffray.
Neither of those two are centres. So unless you want someone playing out of position (and I notice that AV doesn't like it much because he won't play them late in close games)..

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12-27-2007, 09:59 PM
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I'd love to see the Avs get Thornton and Stuart, what would it take?

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I'd love to see the Avs get Thornton and Stuart, what would it take?
Cohen+1st
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12-28-2007, 12:55 AM
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Id bet that if the Wings want to make a trade with LA, LA will take it. I forget which analyst said it, but they mentioned how LA is probably going to shell off its rentals to teams that have the best chance of knocking off Anaheim. Which makes a lot of sense if the players theyre trading are UFAs.

Which leads me to my next question...

...what would it take for Detroit to get Blake?

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12-28-2007, 01:13 AM
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Id bet that if the Wings want to make a trade with LA, LA will take it. I forget which analyst said it, but they mentioned how LA is probably going to shell off its rentals to teams that have the best chance of knocking off Anaheim. Which makes a lot of sense if the players theyre trading are UFAs.

Which leads me to my next question...

...what would it take for Detroit to get Blake?
Jimmy Howard and Kyle Quincy

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12-28-2007, 01:26 AM
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Jimmy Howard

No shot at that happening methinks. Im sure Holland is thinking JH is gonna challenge Osgood next year.

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I would trade Christian Ehrhoff straight up for Brad Stuart.

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Only way the Canucks get Brown or Kopitar is if Luongo is coming to L.A.
I was glad we didn't trade Brown for Luongo, Brown is our SECOND highest scorer right now.....

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What about Kyle Calder for Steve Staois.

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I was glad we didn't trade Brown for Luongo, Brown is our SECOND highest scorer right now.....
Wow. I would trade Brown then, now, and next year for Luongo.

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