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12-28-2007, 03:34 AM
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Bourdon for Kopitar?

Anyone?
Anyone?


but seriously...

To Canucks:
Nagy and Armstrong

To Los Angeles:
Krajicek and Cooke

Sedin-Sedin-Naslund
Nagy-Armstrong-Kesler
Pyatt-Jaffray(Mo when back)-Raymond
Burrows-Ritchie-Linden

Edler-Mitchell
Ohlund-Salo
Miller-Bourdon/Weaver(Bieksa when back)



And if you wanted luongo it would be bernier, kopitar +

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12-28-2007, 10:24 AM
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Id bet that if the Wings want to make a trade with LA, LA will take it. I forget which analyst said it, but they mentioned how LA is probably going to shell off its rentals to teams that have the best chance of knocking off Anaheim. Which makes a lot of sense if the players theyre trading are UFAs.

Which leads me to my next question...

...what would it take for Detroit to get Blake?

Abdelkader+2nd

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12-28-2007, 10:30 AM
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Abdelkader+2nd
Hmm..I like Abdelkaders game, but I could see Holland swinging this trade, especially since a lot of the Wings young talent have strong defensive games.

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12-28-2007, 10:32 AM
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What about Kyle Calder for Steve Staois.
Staois is not of the age group LA would consider at this point. Calder has played better than expected and goes to the net, which doesn't interest the other players besides Brown. So his value is somewhat high considering his production.

Petry+2nd for Calder

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12-28-2007, 11:55 AM
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Staois is not of the age group LA would consider at this point. Calder has played better than expected and goes to the net, which doesn't interest the other players besides Brown. So his value is somewhat high considering his production.

Petry+2nd for Calder
10 points in 30 games is better than expected?? On pace for around 25 points making 2.7 You can keep him than if he is value is high.

Jeff Petry is bluechip prospect. You're dreaming if you think an overpaid scoring winger that doesn't score is going to fetch that kind of return.

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12-28-2007, 12:26 PM
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10 points in 30 games is better than expected?? On pace for around 25 points making 2.7 You can keep him than if he is value is high.

Jeff Petry is bluechip prospect. You're dreaming if you think an overpaid scoring winger that doesn't score is going to fetch that kind of return.

You don't pay good attention if you think LA wants a 33+ yr old Dman. Calder is more valuable than his stats suggest. He is the only King that plants himself infront to screen the goalie. If you don't like Calder why make an offer for him? If you don't like my counter offer, then make another suggestion.

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12-28-2007, 12:43 PM
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I hope blake and armstrong get hot soon.

Then other teams will want them..lol

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12-28-2007, 12:49 PM
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10 points in 30 games is better than expected?? On pace for around 25 points making 2.7 You can keep him than if he is value is high.

Jeff Petry is bluechip prospect. You're dreaming if you think an overpaid scoring winger that doesn't score is going to fetch that kind of return.
calder's point total would probably be a little higher but he has been playing w/ a broken finger and also missed some time due to it. i have actually been impressed w/ calder this season. was not a fan of his sigining but am glad we have him now.

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12-28-2007, 01:09 PM
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tough spot for LA.....they really should dump these guys, but wouldn't get alot for them.

Best scenario would be to use a UFA to upgrade their picks, cause they already have a lot of DPs (2 each in Rounds 1-4). Maybe something like Nagy+2nd for a 1st?

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12-28-2007, 01:18 PM
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12-28-2007, 01:25 PM
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No way does Vancouver make this trade. First, if you see my criticism of Nagy above that suggests I don't think too highly of him, well I don't. And neither will the Canucks after Willie Mitchell basically made Nagy disappear last spring by playing him physically.

That being said, if instead of Nagy you're offering a forward who can play on the right and in the top six, can score and does not give compelling reasons to believe he will be a post-season nonfactor, I think Vancouver has to look pretty hard at it. I'd make that trade at least. You guys just don't seem to have the kind of forward that we want, or not one who is available at least.

But that is what we'd be looking to trade one of our young defenders for. And no to Edler unless we're getting someone like O'Sullivan or Brown in return.

A counter offer I would make (although I don't believe Dave Nonis would trade a first) is

To Los Angeles:
1st Round Pick
(maybe some fodder, Matt Cooke or Mike Weaver or something if you like)

To Vancouver:
Derek Armstrong (C)
Trevor Lewis (C)



Neither of those two are centres. So unless you want someone playing out of position (and I notice that AV doesn't like it much because he won't play them late in close games)..
Just to counter your argument and play devils advocate, what happens to Armstrong come playoff time? Does he move down to the fourth line when Mo comes back? Or does he play out of position, which Vigneault, as you said, doesn't like playing players out of position? I just feel if the Canucks were to add a center I'd rather them acquire a long-term piece like Jeff Carter to play with Pyatt and Raymond then a short-term solution in Derek Armstrong.

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12-28-2007, 01:31 PM
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How's Modry been this season?
Soild. I'd re-sign him for next season. And I used to hate him with the fire of 1000 suns....

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Soild. I'd re-sign him for next season. And I used to hate him with the fire of 1000 suns....
You know the Kings defense is horrible when many Kings fans agree with this statement. The once whipping boy is now the only consistent defender on the team.

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12-28-2007, 07:17 PM
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My first try at this guys, be gentle!!!


To L.A.

Bourden
2nd

To Van

Army
Nagy


AND

To L.A.

Gleason
Ladd
1st or 2nd

To the Canes

Rob Blake (depending on him waiving the NTC of course!)
2nd or 3rd

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12-28-2007, 07:19 PM
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You know the Kings defense is horrible when many Kings fans agree with this statement. The once whipping boy is now the only consistent defender on the team.


Agreed. I couldnt stand Slo-Modry his first go round with the Kings, and even last at the end of last season when we aquired him, I was thinking ***!!! But apparently Modry has learned to play defence and like stated before, has been our only consistent d-man!!!

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12-28-2007, 07:21 PM
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My first try at this guys, be gentle!!!


To L.A.

Bourden
2nd

To Van

Army
Nagy


AND

To L.A.

Gleason
Ladd
1st or 2nd

To the Canes

Rob Blake (depending on him waiving the NTC of course!)
2nd or 3rd
As a Kings fan I'd do both of those trades in a heartbeat.

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12-28-2007, 11:53 PM
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Not a chance in hell Carolina does that deal. I don't think Vancouver does that deal either.

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12-29-2007, 12:52 AM
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My first try at this guys, be gentle!!!


To L.A.

Bourden
2nd

To Van

Army
Nagy


AND

To L.A.

Gleason
Ladd
1st or 2nd

To the Canes

Rob Blake (depending on him waiving the NTC of course!)
2nd or 3rd
Not happening.

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12-29-2007, 01:07 AM
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I forget which analyst said it, but they mentioned how LA is probably going to shell off its rentals to teams that have the best chance of knocking off Anaheim.
wait... what? as far as i know they dont have an anaheim draft pick or anything. Doesnt seem like a good way to conduct trades - to spite other teams.

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12-29-2007, 01:11 AM
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wait... what? as far as i know they dont have an anaheim draft pick or anything. Doesnt seem like a good way to conduct trades - to spite other teams.
I dont buy it. Might've been said in jest.

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There's no way I'd give up Bourdon unless Cammalleri, Frolov, Kopitar or Brown were on their way to Vancouver.

Now Kopitar and Brown are pretty much untouchable at this point, Cammalleri has one more year left on his deal and Frolov has two more years left on his deal so I don't know whether or not they'd even be available.

Nonis has said quite a few times that his blue chip prospects will NOT be traded for rental players so there's no chance Bourdon plus a 2nd for Nagy and Armstrong is going to happen.

If either Cammalleri or Frolov are available then I could see a trade happening if LA is looking for just picks and prospects in return otherwise I don't see a trade happening.

I'm not a big Nagy fan either and honestly I would have to think twice about trading a 2nd round pick for Nagy at this point. He's not a bad player but I don't know if he'd be a good fit under AV's system.

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Armstrong, Tukonen and a 2nd/3rd for Bourdon?

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Armstrong, Tukonen and a 2nd/3rd for Bourdon?
I tend to agree with Bond there above you. Bourdon shouldn't be moved for spare parts. If the Nucks can't find a player that will significantly help improve their secondary scoring, they should stand pat until such a deal arises (because one will).

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12-29-2007, 03:36 AM
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There are some fans with absolutely no clue how valuable some players/prospects are. Nagy + army for bourdon and a 2nd?
jesus....thats so bad..its not even funny.
What does Nagy bring to a team??? Can anyone really see him on a cup contender???
AND a second ?????? i wouldnt trade a 2nd for army OR nagy alone!
Horrible trade ideas in this thread.

If the kings want a top pairing potential prospect like Bourdon or Edler....or an improving ..current no4 dman like krajicek, its going to require a package with a player like cammy or frolov comming the other way

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Rob Blake would be attractive to many NHL teams at the league trade deadline or sooner, and the former Avalanche defenseman said he would consider waiving his clause to go to the right team. "(The Kings) would have to come to me first, but, yeah, it's a possibility," Blake said, after Saturday's 3-1 Kings victory over the Avs. - Denver Post
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