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12-31-2007, 10:16 AM
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Maybe Danny G will be the future captain .
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He got the third star of the night for the nhl. nice.

way to go g-rod

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12-31-2007, 12:06 PM
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in juniors, wasnt he a good offensive defenseman?

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in juniors, wasnt he a good offensive defenseman?
His last two season in Juniors, he posted point totals of 47 and 39, in 68 and 69 games, respectively. That's above average for a defenseman in the OHL, but there are plenty of players at that level who post far higher totals (and many amount to career AHL-ers).

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12-31-2007, 12:11 PM
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I think he could put up 15/25 splits consistantly... but anything higher then that would be reaching IMO...

personally, I dont think I expected him to get more then 5 goals this year.... so I am pretty happy with him thus far to say the least

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His last two season in Juniors, he posted point totals of 47 and 39, in 68 and 69 games, respectively. That's above average for a defenseman in the OHL, but there are plenty of players at that level who post far higher totals (and many amount to career AHL-ers).
Former Rangers prospect Jonathain Paiement had good years in juniors, i still wonder why we did not sign him to at least an AHL contract.

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Does anybody else notice that since he has been scoring more his defensive play has become worse and worse.

Does anybody think that he might be thinking too much about scoring and should focus on his defensive play some more?

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12-31-2007, 01:06 PM
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The offense is nice as long as it's not at the expense of his defensive game. But I agree, Girardi and Tyutin make a great second pair. They're the type of players you like as your second tier pair, because they're solid defensively but can also make the pass to start the transition game and chip in on offense.

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Does anybody else notice that since he has been scoring more his defensive play has become worse and worse.

Does anybody think that he might be thinking too much about scoring and should focus on his defensive play some more?
I think he's still essentially a rookie, and it's taking some time and effort to put it all together. It's really easy to forget how inexperienced the kid is. No cause for concern, in my opinion.

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12-31-2007, 01:14 PM
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Far from offensive defenseman, but it's nice to see that he's good both ways, never know, maybe the guy will become a lesser Lidstrom type.

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12-31-2007, 01:16 PM
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Does anybody else notice that since he has been scoring more his defensive play has become worse and worse.

Does anybody think that he might be thinking too much about scoring and should focus on his defensive play some more?
If it was because he was getting caught pinching a lot, or something, I'd be more inclined to think that the two are inversely related. As it is, most of his mishaps have been just plain defensive breakdowns. I don't think his increased offense is to blame

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Hes been great offensively. And in the first 25 games he was great defensively. He has struggled a bit defensively as of late..but he will come around.
Good point, but it might be more than "a bit". Though I guess I shouldn't be too harsh on him because the whole team has struggled defensively for a while there. As a d-man I would really have liked to see his +/- better than second worst on the team. He's ahead of, only, Colton Orr. I kind of think that it's his offensive game that has kept him playing.

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He will be a great 2nd pair defensman for us for years to come..
I hope so, because I really, really like this kid. I think he showed great promise at the end of last season and the start of this. He's struggled defensively lately, but I guess you can't ask for too much from a rookie.

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I think he's still essentially a rookie, and it's taking some time and effort to put it all together. It's really easy to forget how inexperienced the kid is. No cause for concern, in my opinion.
Him being a Rookie is my concern. Sometimes the glamor or scoring can get to a rookies head. i don't think it will happen, but it is a concern. His defensive play as of late has been very troubling.

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Former Rangers prospect Jonathain Paiement had good years in juniors, i still wonder why we did not sign him to at least an AHL contract.
because good numbers for a d man mean nothing if they can't actually play defense.

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girardi is older than the normal "rookie" and therefore more mature, i wouldnt worry about him

he and tyutin have had a huge increase in responsibility with malik playing bad and staal being with rozsival....

girardi and tyutin have played against the other teams best lines whereas last year they were playing the lower lines

he is playing more penalty kill time which is part of the reason for the low +/-

the entire team hasnt scored enough goals therefore making everyones numbers low in that category

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girardi is older than the normal "rookie" and therefore more mature, i wouldnt worry about him

he and tyutin have had a huge increase in responsibility with malik playing bad and staal being with rozsival....

girardi and tyutin have played against the other teams best lines whereas last year they were playing the lower lines

he is playing more penalty kill time which is part of the reason for the low +/-

the entire team hasnt scored enough goals therefore making everyones numbers low in that category
Killing penalties has no effect on +/-

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Killing penalties has no effect on +/-
Yep. Man-advantages for either team do not result in an increase or decrease in +/-.

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Killing penalties has no effect on +/-
o, i did not know that...thank you

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o, i did not know that...thank you
no problem.

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I just find it funny he's got more goals than his buddy Callahan. I'd like to be a fly on the wall over dinner or something when Danny says "What's the matter, eh Cally? 50 goals in junior, 35 last year in the A, and now you're getting outscored by a stay-at-home D, eh? Sucks to be you."


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I just find it funny he's got more goals than his buddy Callahan. I'd like to be a fly on the wall over dinner or something when Danny says "What's the matter, eh Cally? 50 goals in junior, 35 last year in the A, and now you're getting outscored by a stay-at-home D, eh? Sucks to be you."

Callahan really needs to visit the fourth line or the AHL or something, I love Callahan as much as the next guy as a player, he brings a lot outside of scoring, but the fact is, he needs to bring scoring and he doesn't have it right now.

Of course it doesn't help that his two other linemates are also rookies and they really aren't doing much except keeping the puck in the offensive zone from time to time without a shot.

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I just find it funny he's got more goals than his buddy Callahan. I'd like to be a fly on the wall over dinner or something when Danny says "What's the matter, eh Cally? 50 goals in junior, 35 last year in the A, and now you're getting outscored by a stay-at-home D, eh? Sucks to be you."

hahaha...yea....whats up with cally he seems to not be getting the chances he was last year.....

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Former Rangers prospect Jonathain Paiement had good years in juniors, i still wonder why we did not sign him to at least an AHL contract.
All the reports I ever heard on Paiement mentioned that he was slow. Putting points up in the Q as a 19 and 20 year old like he did doesn't mean your going to be a good pro. He's currently going back and forth between the AHL and ECHL. Girardi is one year older than Paiement and in his second season in the NHL and definitely a good player. A team can sign 50 guys to NHL contracts. Girardi's first pro year was on an AHL contract. The Rangers had a bunch guys coming out of juniors and college last year when they signed Girardi in his second year to an NHL contract. Paiement wasn't good enough. We didn't even have room for Nate Guenin--a much better player than Paiement. It's not even arguable that the Rangers didn't make the right decision by signing Girardi. This guy is going is going to be around for a long time. Guenin is a maybe NHL player. Paiement is an almost definitely not. Why would we sign him if he's got no future?

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Callahan really needs to visit the fourth line or the AHL or something, I love Callahan as much as the next guy as a player, he brings a lot outside of scoring, but the fact is, he needs to bring scoring and he doesn't have it right now.

Of course it doesn't help that his two other linemates are also rookies and they really aren't doing much except keeping the puck in the offensive zone from time to time without a shot.
Yeah, it's tough for Cally. We're asking an entire line to learn the ropes of the NHL together, which obviously isn't an easy task. If Callahan were to play on one of the top two lines (I'm just saying if, not that he should), then I'm fairly certain we'd be seeing a good bit more offense from him.

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Yep. Man-advantages for either team do not result in an increase or decrease in +/-.
Perversely thats not true, technically yes, but added minutes and stress of PK can lead to fatigue and breakdowns. Hopefully Dan is young enough and mature enough to overcome this

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