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01-24-2004, 04:56 AM
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National teams galore

http://www.finhockey.fi/taustasivut/...sto/?num=49067

Notable absences are few: U-18 is missing Joensuu (injury), Gärdström (?) and Nokelainen, but other than that and some goalie testing, all teams will be nearly at their strongest. U-17 has naturally lost their best players to U-18.

As if the Antti Miettinens and Jarkko Immonens weren't enough, there are also two junior national team players by the name of Antti Jaatinen: the older is a '86-born forward (not on the team now) and the other is a '87-born, 2006-eligible defenseman.

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Perkele, but I hate the junior team unwritten rules. If you haven't had any games in any other age group you haven't got any chance to be in U20 team.

Petteri Tasku has been great in Ässät A-juniors for couple of months (after he got place in same line with Joensuu). He has produced the same way though Jesse is now injured.

Another notable thing is that Ässät has wiped the floor with lukko juniors every season with 85-born players. Still, there are 4 lukko guys in U20 team and none Ässät players. I can't understand the logic... Masi Marjamäki alone is not that good...

for reference, here's the scoring top 20 for Finnish junior A (I added the born years)
Pelaaja O M S P P+ P- + / - RM L L-%
1. Virtala Teemu (83), Lukko A 36 15 32 47 37 41 -4 40 126 11,9
2. Saarela Ilkka (83), Lukko A 35 21 20 41 35 38 -3 83 107 19,63
3. Saarinen Jesse (85), Pelicans A 31 20 21 41 33 19 14 66 153 13,07
4. Hietakangas Matti (83), Tappara A 34 17 21 38 32 7 25 26 111 15,32
5. Silvennoinen Mikko (84), Jokerit A 29 22 14 36 26 24 2 32 154 14,29
6. Vainiola Ville-Vesa (85), Lukko A 36 11 25 36 32 32 0 26 123 8,94
7. Aaltonen Juhamatti (85), Kärpät A 26 21 11 32 30 11 19 18 163 12,88
8. Näätänen Matti (83), Blues A 27 21 11 32 27 23 4 16 133 15,79
9. Paakkolanvaara Tommi (83), Kärpät A 28 15 17 32 30 11 19 22 94 15,96
10. Immonen Jarkko A. (84), Blues A 22 10 22 32 26 15 11 45 80 12,5
11. Kopiloff Olli-Pekka (83), HPK A 33 17 14 31 31 33 -2 50 139 12,23
12. Makkonen Jussi (85), TPS A 32 16 15 31 29 17 12 10 153 10,46
13. Hautajoki Harri (83), HIFK A 23 12 19 31 29 17 12 18 94 12,77
14. Santavuori Tuomas (85), Pelicans A 27 19 11 30 25 19 6 49 139 13,67
15. Vidgren Simo (83), KalPa A 16 14 16 30 20 17 3 44 102 13,73
16. Tasku Petteri (85), Ässät A 34 18 11 29 24 27 -3 52 159 11,32
17. Virtanen Arttu (84), TPS A 32 8 21 29 30 17 13 34 110 7,27
18. Petrell Lennart (84), HIFK A 30 11 17 28 26 15 11 26 152 7,24
19. Pihlström Antti (84), Blues A 22 9 19 28 27 19 8 38 93 9,68
20. Piispanen Arsi (85), Jokerit A 29 4 23 27 23 21 2 10 103 3,88

Ofcourse the scoring does not mean all but my point was that Finnish junior team system does not allow if you haven't been on papers from 15-years old. You can't come out of nowhere to any ages team. And even if you got nominated to senior team without any junior team experience it is always rmentioned on all the magazines. Sorry, but I again got mad when I saw the player nominations.

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Perkele, but I hate the junior team unwritten rules. If you haven't had any games in any other age group you haven't got any chance to be in U20 team.

Ofcourse the scoring does not mean all but my point was that Finnish junior team system does not allow if you haven't been on papers from 15-years old. You can't come out of nowhere to any ages team. And even if you got nominated to senior team without any junior team experience it is always rmentioned on all the magazines. Sorry, but I again got mad when I saw the player nominations.
It is not really fair for the players that bloom a bit later. If they show that they have the skill, they should have the chance to get picked.

 
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Ofcourse the scoring does not mean all but my point was that Finnish junior team system does not allow if you haven't been on papers from 15-years old. You can't come out of nowhere to any ages team. And even if you got nominated to senior team without any junior team experience it is always rmentioned on all the magazines. Sorry, but I again got mad when I saw the player nominations.
The development is understandable in younger national teams as the same guy coaches the age group from U-16 through U-18. They try to build a team, which is vital for Finnish teams' success, that's what has helped them flourish despite inferior talent. The KooKoo players Gärdström and Koskelainen did get their chance in U-18 coming out of nowhere national-team-wise, although they earned their spurs in Mestis.

Tasku sure hadn't broken out when the '85ers were last assembled almost a year ago, and this is their first tournament as the U-20 team. You can't expect a single player to be likely to get picked at his first opportunity, regardless of issues such as this. That goes for any national team.

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Is there a way to follow the U20, U18 tournament on-line at finhockey.fi?
if so, I'd appreciate a direct link
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Is there a way to follow the U20, U18 tournament on-line at finhockey.fi?
if so, I'd appreciate a direct link
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U18
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Link "Otteluseuranta ja pelatut ottelut" means online following.

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thank you Ströba.

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U-20 lives down to expectations and loses to Germany, they play against Switzerland today. It's good that they were smart enough to invite weaker teams, otherwise things could've got ugly. In U-18, Lauri Korpikoski insists on making the WC team with 2+1 against the Czechs, Tukonen matched the same numbers. Rask 34/37. The first line Alikoski-Wirtanen-Jokila (three centers) was shut out, which is no wonder. That combination can't work.

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Tukonen was a bit dissapointing in the WJC's, so he's really trying to make a statement in the U18 games to enhance his draft position. 2+1 in the first game, so he's off to a good start.BTW, does anyone know where and when the U18 World Championships will be held this year? It will be nice to see Tukonen and Nokelainen do agaist palyers their own age.

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The first line Alikoski-Wirtanen-Jokila (three centers) was shut out, which is no wonder. That combination can't work.
I think they had that combination together for much of the Viking Cup and apparently (I've only seen a video of the final plus some highlights) it worked pretty well there.


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In Minsk of all the places, 4/8 - 4/18. Due to the 85ers' incompetence, Finland has to beat one of Slovakia, Russia or the Czech Republic to make the playoffs.

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I think they had that combination together for much of the Viking Cup and apparently (I've only seen a video of the final plus some highlights) it worked pretty well there.
The line is all playmaking and Jokila can only reach half the rink from the wing. I suppose anything can happen at that level, though. There are still players like Tukonen and Nokelainen who need to be fed somehow. A more balanced lineup would be something along the following lines. Still, you never know about chemistry.

Nokelainen-Jokila-Tukonen
Alikoski-Lahti-Joensuu
Kiiskinen-Wirtanen-Korpikoski
Finell-Lehtonen-Tuomainen

It's rather rare in these parts that our replies to TK79 should collide like that, what with the slow traffic.

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