There has been discussion in recent weeks about re-signing Adam Foote.
Scott Howson said himself that they are looking into potentially re-signing him. Personally, I want him gone. Here's why:
1) He is having an all-right season this year. His best as a Jacket, but still hardly worth 4.5mil and the attention he gets. His game is clearly going downhill, and he is playing for a contract.
2) I am still bothered by his comments about wishing he never left Colorado. Some people think that's been overblown, etc. but It bothered me.
3) He doesn't say the right things about his teammates IMO. For example, in today's Dispatch, instead of applauding Z's willingness to get back in the lineup, (even though he was supposed to be out all weekend resting his injury) and get some revenge on the Blues, he said:
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Originally Posted by Adam Foote
"That's looking into it too far I think," Foote said. "(Zherdev) does those moves almost every shift, and once or twice he is going to get caught."
I know it's not a huge deal. However, it's easy to get the impression that Foote feels some animosity towards Z. Likely for Z's play the last few seasons. Fair enough, but for christ sake how about some positive reinforcement? It's not just this one comment, there have been others, in post game interviews and stuff, and not just towards Z. Foote just seems like a jerk.
My take? Get rid of him.
EDIT: I think I should point out that the Foote quote was referring to whether or not something should have been done when Z got hit.
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I don't have a whole of concern about Foote coming back. To me, Methot is the same type of defender as Foote, younger and plays about the same level right now, with the likelihood that he'll get better with experience. So I'm not real worried about keeping Foote.
Now, if we could get him at a discount, then that's another story.
To be completely honest, my "two year plan" since we hired Hitch has invested heavily in the idea that at this year's deadline, we'll be sellers and will deal Foote and Feds (and anymore, it's looking like maybe Veebs will go too) for picks and prospects. I still think that's the best long-view approach to take, although it may seem defeatist in the immediate future.
I think Methot is more than ready. I've watched him play at the junior and AHL levels, and I watched him on the tube in an NHL game. The guy is ready for prime time. He's dependable and a hard hitter. Things that Foote was known for, but doesn't do anymore.
In fairness to Foote, he was known as a crease clearer, and with the new rules the crease clearer is dead.
Before the season, I said that i didn't think we'd make the playoffs. We are still a team in transition, but we have been playing tough enough at times to keep us in the thick of things. For the average fans, the limited success has given them hope for the playoffs, so after a loss it's tough on them. Personally, I think we can get real value for Foote at the deadline, along with Feds. Vybes as well.
I'm a long-time Adam Foote fan... back to his Av days.
And I think he's doing better this year than past. I'd resign him at a lower salary.
But recent events and remarks make me question the FIRE in this team, and the FIRE in the leadership.
I question it in Foote, in Feds, in Rusty, and now in Nash.
They are nice guys, but we need a Captain somebody who's more outspoken, and plays like it.
We need some outspoken veterans.
Last year, there was talk that Freddy Mo might be this guy.
On the surface of things, Peca seems up to the task. ...Just thinking out loud.
I was convinced the Jackets would not resign Foote in some of HF discussions over the summer. Then Howson comes out and says they may resign him, I was surprised.
I don't really want him back either but if he would take a huge cut in pay (around one mln) and give up the "C" he could be of some help as an experienced 5th or 6th defenseman if we make the playoffs.
Don't like those comments from Foote at all. If a guy makes a semi-, sort of, somewhat questionable hit on one of your guys, you make them pay, even if they do the same moves game in, game out. I'm actually flabbergasted that he blew off the criticism of the team's response with such a flippant reply. "Once or twice he's going to get caught?!?" Wrong answer, Adam. Sounds like he's even blaming Z for the hit.
Like Mac, I was also bugged by Foote's comments about leaving Colorado, but I believe that was a 150+ post thread and I don't want to start the discussion up again.
I'm kind of annoyed that we're talking extension with this guy, because ON THE SURFACE, it doesn't look like he's contributed much to the on-ice success over years that he's been here.
Foote needs to be signed it's his choice if he wants to be here. he is the best leadership this team has had in 7 years hands down. regardless of what people think of his game he brings it most nights and the guy hates to loose more than anybody.
the jackets have a long way to go in the heart department and imo he is not one of the problems but part of the solution
Part of the past. Part of the problem. From my perspective, it's impossible for him to be part of the solution.
I hear your point
so scrap the whole team and start over not sure if that would be good or not but to be honest im not in love with any of these guys at this point.
so keep the ones that fit the mold ditch the obvious players who have become acceptable of soft play and a losing culture and try to become a wining team
I posted this is the GDT before I realized that there is a thread for it.
This really disturbed me as a fan when I read this. This is not the kind of attitude that I want from my captain. This is the first time that I've thought or said this about Adam, but this makes me think that Foote is not the right player to lead us to the playoffs and into the future. I want a captain that is going to say, Zherdev got caught making one of his moves, but we will catch them making a move next time. Or something like that. Saying that things like that are going to happen makes me feel like Foote doesn't think there is anything wrong with taking a shot at one of the top players on the team.
Clearly I'm no fan of your team, but I do have an opinion on this matter.
I think the Foote signing was a good one for the Jackets--at the time. We wanted him on the Preds, and were not surprised to hear that we were the team you beat in the bidding...we offered 4 million over the same period, you guys offered 4.5.
However...with knowing what we all know now about the way the game is played post-lockout, I think Adam has been left behind a little. Not as much as some guys(Rhett Warrener, Karlis Skrastins, etc), guys who relied on things that now draw penalties for their defensive dominance. I don't think he's worth the money it would take to re-sign him--it would likely take a raise, that's the nature of the beast, and I think younger leadership would help the Jackets.
I think letting him go would be the best thing you guys could do...use the money to sign a younger, more adapted defenseman, or maybe two number 3's rather than the one number 1
Foote needs to be signed it's his choice if he wants to be here. he is the best leadership this team has had in 7 years hands down. regardless of what people think of his game he brings it most nights and the guy hates to loose more than anybody.
the jackets have a long way to go in the heart department and imo he is not one of the problems but part of the solution
Whatever...........just remember everyone........do not boo him..................
I posted this is the GDT before I realized that there is a thread for it.
This really disturbed me as a fan when I read this. This is not the kind of attitude that I want from my captain. This is the first time that I've thought or said this about Adam, but this makes me think that Foote is not the right player to lead us to the playoffs and into the future. I want a captain that is going to say, Zherdev got caught making one of his moves, but we will catch them making a move next time. Or something like that. Saying that things like that are going to happen makes me feel like Foote doesn't think there is anything wrong with taking a shot at one of the top players on the team.
I dont think his words come out/ across as he means them he gets fed to the wolves every time he opens his mouth. I think he meant that coming out and running everybody to prove a point is not going to change the momentum or win you games he even refered to tootoo and what happened that game we lost what good did it do. he even gave an example and everbody still beating up on him. I don't like the players being singled out as the problem this is a team problem and Foote is not it.
I dont think his words come out/ across as he means them he gets fed to the wolves every time he opens his mouth. I think he meant that coming out and running everybody to prove a point is not going to change the momentum or win you games he even refered to tootoo and what happened that game we lost what good did it do. he even gave an example and everbody still beating up on him. I don't like the players being singled out as the problem this is a team problem and Foote is not it.
Portzline was right...........we have a bunch of p............s on this team. And Foote's #1.........................
I dont think his words come out/ across as he means them he gets fed to the wolves every time he opens his mouth. I think he meant that coming out and running everybody to prove a point is not going to change the momentum or win you games he even refered to tootoo and what happened that game we lost what good did it do. he even gave an example and everbody still beating up on him. I don't like the players being singled out as the problem this is a team problem and Foote is not it.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I agreed with Adam that he may have gone too far with Tutu on the Novotny hit. I also agree with him when he says that you shouldn't take a run at someone to prove a point. What I had a problem with is when he put the hit on Zherdev's shoulders almost like he deserved it because he tries those moves. I'm not saying that everytime Z, Nash, Russell, or Brassard take a hit, there should be some sort of retaliation. But when it is borderline knee on knee with one of your best players that leaves them laying on the ice, something should be done. How are our younger players (Nash, Klesla, Hainsey, etc) supposed to know to stand up for their own when the captain is saying things like that?
When we here on the board first started looking at next year's roster in a thread or two within the past couple weeks, I could have been convinced bringing Foote back at a reduced price was a good idea. However, if Howson's going to re-sign Hedja and Hainsey, and hopefully bring Methot on board full-time, I don't know as there's room for Foote. If he's going to sign a vet, I'd prefer it be a FA with a bit more offensive upside.
Klesla
Hainsey
Hedja
Russell
Methot
OKT
Duvie
FA?
You could make arguments about organ-eye-zational depth, I suppose, but I don't think those hold water.
So, regardless of whether he's a pansy or not, I just don't see how Foote makes the team better after this season.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I agreed with Adam that he may have gone too far with Tutu on the Novotny hit. I also agree with him when he says that you shouldn't take a run at someone to prove a point. What I had a problem with is when he put the hit on Zherdev's shoulders almost like he deserved it because he tries those moves. I'm not saying that everytime Z, Nash, Russell, or Brassard take a hit, there should be some sort of retaliation. But when it is borderline knee on knee with one of your best players that leaves them laying on the ice, something should be done. How are our younger players (Nash, Klesla, Hainsey, etc) supposed to know to stand up for their own when the captain is saying things like that?
That game was the most horrifying game I have ever seen or remember anyway.
so I don't know what to say about it or how I feel about anything that was said about it
just embarassing and a very destructive moment IMO.
we will see what happens tonight
The captaincy has been discussed in several threads and there are a number of different opinions. One thing is clear to me every time I'm in the Arena, though: Adam Foote is the leader of this team. Watch the game and there is no question that his teammates respect him and follow his lead. Whether that's all good, I don't know, but he's "the man" and it would be silly and useless to try to replace him in that role as long as he's wearing a CBJ sweater. Personally, I'd re-sign him if the price was right ($1.5 - $2mil). If he goes, we've got to find something better. I'm not sure that exists in the system, right now.
The captaincy has been discussed in several threads and there are a number of different opinions. One thing is clear to me every time I'm in the Arena, though: Adam Foote is the leader of this team. Watch the game and there is no question that his teammates respect him and follow his lead. Whether that's all good, I don't know, but he's "the man" and it would be silly and useless to try to replace him in that role as long as he's wearing a CBJ sweater. Personally, I'd re-sign him if the price was right ($1.5 - $2mil). If he goes, we've got to find something better. I'm not sure that exists in the system, right now.
well said!!!!!!
what do you replace him with?
I think he is worth 2- 3 million per year sign him for 2 years
I think Methot could easily stand in for Foote if he's not re-signed. That being said, I do think we need to re-sign him, I think he's a good leader for the players... but not for the fans. He's recently been saying the wrong things that have grated on the fans nerves. I would like to see him back at no more than $1.5-2.0 mil per year for 2 years. After that, Russell should be much better, Methot, Hejda, Klesla, Hainsey, OKT and a couple guys from the Cuse to backup/be the 7th. But I'm sure those 6 won't all be here in 2 years or so. Someone will probably be moved/lost to FA.
well said!!!!!!
what do you replace him with?
I think he is worth 2- 3 million per year sign him for 2 years
I would be OK with resigning Foote in that range. I think he (like was mentioned earlier in the thread) is misunderstood in the press and we are probably mstaking what he has said for what he really meant.
The only thing I really enjoy about Foote, is his ability to punch guys in the back of the head and not get a penalty.
I wouldnt mind Foote for like 1Million and dropping the C, and maybe not in the top pairing anymore but I do think he will be here next year.
I love that about him too.
The poor guy getting hit turns around and sees that it's Footer, then turns to the Ref and the Ref usually just shrugs. It's what you call "a double standard for veterans who've won the cup."
I love that about him too.
