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01-13-2008, 11:37 AM
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Leafs/Flyers Proposal

To Flyers: Tomas Kaberle

To Leafs: Jeff Carter and a 1st round pick.

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01-13-2008, 11:41 AM
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To Flyers: Tomas Kaberle

To Leafs: Jeff Carter and a 1st round pick.
NO!

Seriously, before running to the main boards and throwing gasoline on yourself, read what your peers on your own board think of your trade first.

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01-13-2008, 11:42 AM
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I'd do it if Philly threw in a 2nd from this year or next year.

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01-13-2008, 11:44 AM
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Leafs could get more than that I think.

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NO!

Seriously, before running to the main boards and throwing gasoline on yourself, read what your peers on your own board think of your trade first.
Kaberle is not god. He isn't even having a good year in my oppinion.

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01-13-2008, 11:45 AM
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Pass. Philly needs to add more before we move a premier 1st pairing defenseman.

Gotta look at the Cap too.

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01-13-2008, 11:49 AM
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Kaberle is not god. He isn't even having a good year in my oppinion.
Doesn't mean you pee him away for one player and a first.

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Pass. Philly needs to add more before we move a premier 1st pairing defenseman.

Gotta look at the Cap too.
We would probably have to take on Hatcher's contract but hey he would help us lose the next two years any ways which is a plus in my oppinion.

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We would probably have to take on Hatcher's contract but hey he would help us lose the next two years any ways which is a plus in my oppinion.
Nah, I don't think so, IMO. If we're trading Kaberle, we won't be getting any negative value at all, other than the loss of his services.

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Doesn't mean you pee him away for one player and a first.
Rebuilding requires trading your players that can get the best return in my oppinion. Kaberle is a first pairing guy who could last a rebuild but I think the assets he could return are the better way to go in my oppinion. Kubina and McCabe won't get anywhere near the return Kaberle would get us.

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01-13-2008, 11:54 AM
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I'd do it probably. Carter is a great young player and still has room to grow, and the first is another great asset to add. Kaberle is a great player, but isn't a difference maker on a weak team, he'd fit in really well in Philly and if there's going to be a rebuild in Toronto, and the team struggles, I don't think Kaberle will be a difference maker frankly.

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01-13-2008, 11:59 AM
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To Flyers: Tomas Kaberle

To Leafs: Jeff Carter and a 1st round pick.

A very fair non biased trade proposal...you are going to give Leafs fans a good name if you keep it up

I'd do it if I was the Leafs

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01-13-2008, 12:02 PM
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Kaberle isn't having as bad a year as you might think.
He's been missing McCabe, one of the most productive offensive defensemen in the league, and what's happened to the leafs PowerPlay? Defensemen usually get their points from those situations.

That is a good return but it would take more. Something like Carter, Giroux, 1st/2nd or Carter, Parent, Picard, 1st/2nd.


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Surprisingly not bad. Flyers would have an issue with Kaberle's contract, though.

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Flyers would have an issue with Kaberle's contract, though.
Why? Because he isn't overpaid?

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Rebuilding requires trading your players that can get the best return in my oppinion. Kaberle is a first pairing guy who could last a rebuild but I think the assets he could return are the better way to go in my oppinion. Kubina and McCabe won't get anywhere near the return Kaberle would get us.
like hell it does, why didnt the Flyers trade Gange last year then, you dont trade away a top notch player making below market value who can be a cornerstone of your organization for hte next 5+ years because he can get you lots of picks/propects.

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Kaberle isn't having as bad a year as you might think.
He's been missing McCabe, one of the most productive offensive defensemen in the league, and what's happened to the leafs PowerPlay? Defensemen usually get their points from those situations.

That is a good return but it would take more. Something like Carter, Giroux, 1st/2nd or Carter, Parent, Picard, 1st/2nd.
Kaberle is playing well below his potential. He's not doign the things that made him so good before this season. I think he gets it back, no doubt, but I'm not convinced he'd get it back having to be the one star in a rebuild situation.

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01-13-2008, 12:06 PM
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The Flyers signed Timonen in the off-season, similar type of player.

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01-13-2008, 12:09 PM
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Rebuilding requires trading your players that can get the best return in my oppinion. Kaberle is a first pairing guy who could last a rebuild but I think the assets he could return are the better way to go in my oppinion. Kubina and McCabe won't get anywhere near the return Kaberle would get us.
I agree, but its also about generating the best return for the future. Someone like Kaberle is one of the premier offensive talent in this league, regardless of his minor defeciencies, his talents are valuable in this league. Carter is a great up and coming young player, but I just don't see him reaching the level Kaberle's capable of playing at. I'd want more picks, going into rebuilding mode.

Have you heard what we could be fetching for Sundin?

Kaberle isn't a rental and I don't need to discuss his contract to know we could be getting much more than what Sundin would be fetching.

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Kaberle is playing well below his potential. He's not doign the things that made him so good before this season. I think he gets it back, no doubt, but I'm not convinced he'd get it back having to be the one star in a rebuild situation.
He is still an Olympic Athlete, NHL Allstar, and one hell of a defenseman. I'm sticking to the return I posted. He has proven time and again that he can score goals on the powerplay. He is a team favourite. It would be a good deal for the leafs, but I don't see Phili doing it because of Timonen's new spot on the team. As posted before, they are similar players. Phili cannot handle a large contract like Kaberle's. I'm thinking a "no" from Paul Holgrem.

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He is still an Olympic Athlete, NHL Allstar, and one hell of a defenseman. I'm sticking to the return I posted. He has proven time and again that he can score goals on the powerplay. He is a team favourite. It would be a good deal for the leafs, but I don't see Phili doing it because of Timonen's new spot on the team. As posted before, they are similar players. Phili cannot handle a large contract like Kaberle's. I'm thinking a "no" from Paul Holgrem.
And I'm saying the lack of PP production is irrelevant to how he's playing this season. I don't care that much about. He can put up poitns on a good PP, of course he can, but it's his defensive play this season and lack of poise that concerns me.

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Not a bad deal, but Philly doesn't do it.

They have Coburn and Timonen, why add Kaberle?

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HELL NO! From Leafs POV. Not even close.

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And I'm saying the lack of PP production is irrelevant to how he's playing this season. I don't care that much about. He can put up poitns on a good PP, of course he can, but it's his defensive play this season and lack of poise that concerns me.
He's a smart player. He was never a rock on defense. That's not where his value is. He isn't a liability though. He has a strong enough overall game to keep his value high. I see what you're saying, but if a GM is going for Kaberle, it's not for his defense.

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He's a smart player. He was never a rock on defense. That's not where his value is. He isn't a liability though. He has a strong enough overall game to keep his value high. I see what you're saying, but if a GM is going for Kaberle, it's not for his defense.
He's not been the smart player this year though, at least not at the level he was at,.

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