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01-13-2008, 01:27 PM
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Why? Because he isn't overpaid?
no because we can't afford any more money especially when we will be at the max once we sign Forsberg.........

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01-13-2008, 01:29 PM
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HELL NO! From Leafs POV. Not even close.
You're such a homer. Carter's a very solid up and comer and a 1st round pick is an excellent asset. The package for Kaberle isn't bad at all IMO. I'd do it and I'm fine that some Leafs fans disagree, but not even close? Come on man, get a grip.

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01-13-2008, 01:36 PM
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It is a good offer. Carter has 17 goals. That's a really strong stat for such a young player that is developing every day. Phili's pick isn't that great a position. I'd rather take Picard+Parent than the pick. But, Leasty, it isn't a bad offer. You overrate all of our players.

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01-13-2008, 01:36 PM
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You're such a homer. Carter's a very solid up and comer and a 1st round pick is an excellent asset. The package for Kaberle isn't bad at all IMO. I'd do it and I'm fine that some Leafs fans disagree, but not even close? Come on man, get a grip.
I agree man. Some are saying that Kaberle could fetch more than Sundin because he isn't a rental player. Well, they are kind of forgetting that Kaberle isn't in the same league as a player like Sundin.

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01-13-2008, 01:40 PM
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It doesnt fill the Flyers needs and makes them a worse team by having to subtract players to fit under the cap.

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01-13-2008, 01:52 PM
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It doesnt fill the Flyers needs and makes them a worse team by having to subtract players to fit under the cap.
Uh what team are you watching?

Flyers biggest need is a puck moving dman.

The problem with the deal isn't value as I'd probably do it from a Flyers POV, but it fills a hole by creating another, which is sorta pointless.

Flyers need to trade from the wings to fill the holes of their D, where they've got plenty of depth.

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01-13-2008, 02:11 PM
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like hell it does, why didnt the Flyers trade Gange last year then, you dont trade away a top notch player making below market value who can be a cornerstone of your organization for hte next 5+ years because he can get you lots of picks/propects.

Because they had Richards, Carter etc. allready in their system. Toronto does not have that luxery. This is not going to be a 1 year rebuild like Philly


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HELL NO! From Leafs POV. Not even close.
This is why you don't have a job in hockey. If anything it's an overpay from Philly. The overrating of Kabs on the Toronto side is sickening, he is not a difference maker

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I agree man. Some are saying that Kaberle could fetch more than Sundin because he isn't a rental player. Well, they are kind of forgetting that Kaberle isn't in the same league as a player like Sundin.
Bingo, comparing Kaberle to Sundin is frankly offensive

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It doesnt fill the Flyers needs and makes them a worse team by having to subtract players to fit under the cap.
I love your opinions generally Steve, but we both know Philly would have a very large intrest in Kaberle. Even if Toronto has to take a bad contract for a year or 2 to even out salaries they should do it.

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01-13-2008, 02:11 PM
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As a Leaf fan, I would do it if the team is in "rebuild" mode. Flyers not so sure if they can fit Kaberle under the cap.

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01-13-2008, 03:20 PM
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As a Leaf fan, I would do it if the team is in "rebuild" mode. Flyers not so sure if they can fit Kaberle under the cap.
If Hatcher is a toss in just for salary purposes it'll be pretty easy.

Kabele would give the Flyers a formidable D.

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01-13-2008, 03:30 PM
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philly wont do it

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01-13-2008, 03:42 PM
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HELL NO! From Leafs POV. Not even close.
Carter is a future 70 point player while the first will definetly add some depth to our prospect department. Kubina/McCabe should easily hold the line and Stralman will slowly replace Kaberle.

Good deal for the Leafs, but I have no idea why the Flyers do it.

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01-13-2008, 04:28 PM
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The Flyers signed Timonen in the off-season, similar type of player.
And they need another like Timonen.


The Flyers could do it, but they'd need to maneuver the cap a bit.


The Leafs won't do it, and Kaberle has a no-trade clause.

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01-13-2008, 04:32 PM
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Kaberle isn't the same player when McCabe is interested, Pass from a Philly POV.

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Uh what team are you watching?

Flyers biggest need is a puck moving dman.

The problem with the deal isn't value as I'd probably do it from a Flyers POV, but it fills a hole by creating another, which is sorta pointless.

Flyers need to trade from the wings to fill the holes of their D, where they've got plenty of depth.
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Carter is a future 70 point player while the first will definetly add some depth to our prospect department. Kubina/McCabe should easily hold the line and Stralman will slowly replace Kaberle.

Good deal for the Leafs, but I have no idea why the Flyers do it.
Good, atleast we have some common grounds from both sides, the proposal won't be happening anytime soon so moving on

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01-13-2008, 04:41 PM
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I would imagine that Kaberle would be of huge interest to Holmgren, but it gets very sticky with the cap. I would reluctantly flip Carter and a little more for Kaberle if the leafs were able to take on dead weight salary (Hatcher, Knuble)

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01-13-2008, 04:42 PM
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Why? Because he isn't overpaid?
Haha, when I typed it I saw that joke a mile away.

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01-13-2008, 04:44 PM
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The Leafs can do better than this for Kaberle.

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The Leafs can do better than this for Kaberle.
Then I'd wager you don't know much about Jeff Carter.

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01-13-2008, 05:36 PM
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You're such a homer. Carter's a very solid up and comer and a 1st round pick is an excellent asset. The package for Kaberle isn't bad at all IMO. I'd do it and I'm fine that some Leafs fans disagree, but not even close? Come on man, get a grip.
I really respect your opinions, but I just don't see how this balances out in terms of rebuilding. He's an impending RFA, and we only get one first round pick. If you really think he's worth swapping Kaberle for, we're probably gonna have to spend a chunk of money to keep him.

Sell me on this if you can?

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01-13-2008, 05:41 PM
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I wouldn't move Carter straight up for Kaberle, let alone adding anything extra.

While we do need another puck moving defenseman, that's better accomplished during the offseason.

Never been a big Kaberle fan, and with him not going to be playing the point on our 1st PP unit, that negates some of his value to us.

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01-13-2008, 05:46 PM
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This is why the Leafs can't rebuild. That's a pretty fair trade from the perspective of the Flyers are probably only 1-2 years from being their peak, and the Leafs have no peak in sight, and are at least 3-5 seasons from being a real contender.

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Kaberle isn't having as bad a year as you might think.
He's been missing McCabe, one of the most productive offensive defensemen in the league, and what's happened to the leafs PowerPlay? Defensemen usually get their points from those situations.

That is a good return but it would take more. Something like Carter, Giroux, 1st/2nd or Carter, Parent, Picard, 1st/2nd.
Man I have to save this post for one of those McCabe bashing threads that keep popping up each year. The way some fans put it, the only reason that McCabe ever scores is because of the perfect passes that he gets from Kabs...

I agree with you totally btw, they work best when they are togeather, excellent 1-2 punch on the PP.

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01-13-2008, 06:09 PM
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I would certainly consider Carter for Kaberle straight up, and then I'd probably turn it down. Pretty even in value. Adding the first would be overpayment.

Carter is 6'3, 200lbs, just turned 23, is on pace for 30+ goals FROM THE THIRD LINE and 2ND POWER PLAY UNIT, playing with a constantly changing set of wingers. He can fly, has an absolutely wicked shot, and has developed a nice forechecking game to go along with an impressively evolving defensive game. His one area of weakness, is his inability to properly utilize his wingers. He should probably be a winger himself.

As much as I like Kaberle as a player - and I do like him, he can't help it he's playing on an a really bad hockey team - I have a hard time giving up all that Carter brings to the table.

I am personally convinced Carter will eventually reach consistent 40-50 goal campaigns within a few years.

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01-13-2008, 07:14 PM
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I really respect your opinions, but I just don't see how this balances out in terms of rebuilding. He's an impending RFA, and we only get one first round pick. If you really think he's worth swapping Kaberle for, we're probably gonna have to spend a chunk of money to keep him.

Sell me on this if you can?
I am scratching my head over this as well.

Leafs can get better offers from other teams that should be interested in giving something to the Leafs for T. Kaberle other then an impending RFA that everyone here is saying is a "70 point player."

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