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01-01-2010, 12:56 AM
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I'm glad Ottawa took Cowen, guy has been nothing but average at best in this tournament.
Wasn't Myers also average at the WJC last year? It's too early to be judging players right now.

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Wasn't Myers also average at the WJC last year? It's too early to be judging players right now.
Yeah he was. Some were saying he was a soft defenseman, a la Hal Gill, Canada's worst defensemen, etc, etc.

You should take the WJC with a grain of salt. Most are saying Cowen has been brutal, doesn't mean his NHL career is over ......

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I don't know what you guys are talking about. Tyler Myers had an excellent tournament and was relied on to shut down the other teams top players. The guy was a black hole for the other teams top players.

Cowen has been slow, bad with the puck and no he hasn't been that physical but that could be excused if he was excelling defensively but he's not.

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Myers has been slow, bad with the puck and no he hasn't been that physical but that could be excused if he was excelling defensively but he's not.
I think this is what people were saying last year,

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01-01-2010, 04:14 AM
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I think this is what people were saying last year,
Thing is, he was excelling defensively. Everything else you can debate if you want but not that. And honestly you can do you're little fixed thing if you want, I watched most of the games and Myers and Aulie got just as much ice time as the 1st pairing. Cowen has been getting protected and being given 3rd pairing ice time and shifts few and far between if I'm not mistaken.

Regardless, I'm glad we took MPS and if I had the choice I would take MPS over Cowen, I didn't want to sound like I'm trolling but I'll just say it. I really have not been impressed with Cowen, he has been REALLY slow. I'm talking just a step up from Hal Gill slow. This guys skating problems were sort of understated going into the draft last year imo. I haven't been impressed with any aspect of his game. Offensively, defensively. Reminds me of Alex Plante the games I saw him in the WHL. I don't think he will translate his game all that well to the nhl.


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01-01-2010, 09:53 AM
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I watched the game when sweden crushed finland 7-1

Especially Pääjärvi looked great, swedes should be proud of him, i wish we had players like him but...no

Rajala, Pulkkinen, Granlund, They're just flops. We're destined to relegate into 2nd division

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01-01-2010, 10:41 AM
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I think this is what people were saying last year,
LOL, uhhh, people were raving about Myers last yr. If you watched any of the games, you would know that.

Cowen just isnt 100% and many posters were admitting this prior to the WJC. He needs more time to regain his previous form.

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01-01-2010, 12:25 PM
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I meant in the Top 10 ..sorry should have been more clear
Saying MSP was a steal at 10 implies he is significantly better than the previous nine players picked, which at this point is simply not true.. especially considering most of those players are already playing in the NHL and suceeding .

This is what I meant. =P
Well, it's easy to verify that "most" of the players drafted ahead of MSP are not playing in the NHL (only the top 4 are).

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01-01-2010, 04:03 PM
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Well, it's easy to verify that "most" of the players drafted ahead of MSP are not playing in the NHL (only the top 4 are).
and MPS could not play in the NHL this year as he is Honoring is contract with the SEL so it is a moot point.

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01-06-2010, 04:36 AM
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Once again I will state, this guy has zero hockey sense. He has amazing outside speed and average finish. Reminds me of a slightly more talented Konstantin Koltsov. This sort of speed is great if defensmen don't know how to angle you and take away that speed.

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01-06-2010, 06:40 PM
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Once again I will state, this guy has zero hockey sense. He has amazing outside speed and average finish. Reminds me of a slightly more talented Konstantin Koltsov. This sort of speed is great if defensmen don't know how to angle you and take away that speed.
At some point, if you're the only person who thinks something, you have to wonder that's not everyone else, it's you.

Not one scout or anybody has commented on his lack of hockey sense, let alone having "zero hockey sense".

Go watch some of his games in the SEL.

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Once again I will state, this guy has zero hockey sense. He has amazing outside speed and average finish. Reminds me of a slightly more talented Konstantin Koltsov. This sort of speed is great if defensmen don't know how to angle you and take away that speed.
Okay.

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or Hall for that matter.
Have to fit Gagner in there somewhere

Hall - Gagner - Eberle
Hemsky - Brule - Penner
Cogliano - Horcoff - Nash
Nilson - Lander - O'Sullivan

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Once again I will state, this guy has zero hockey sense. He has amazing outside speed and average finish. Reminds me of a slightly more talented Konstantin Koltsov. This sort of speed is great if defensmen don't know how to angle you and take away that speed.
That is a bit harsh. I would agree he doesn't have world class hockey sense or hands and never will but I suspect he might turn into a useful player in the NHL.

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01-07-2010, 06:15 AM
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MPS's skill set is just so impressive. Elite speed, elite lateral movement. Elite puck movement on the power play from everywhere in the offensive zone. An elite cannon of a shot. He even shows elite backchecking skills. The thing is, I don't see a killer instinct when it comes to scoring, like most elite players have. Some of the scouts that questioned his scoring ability were bang on IMO.

Still, his size, speed and skill is just so intriguing, so much so that I think his downside would have to be that of a player like Alex Kovalev; all world skills but always leaves you wanting more. When comparing him to Russian players, MPS needs a little more Ilya Kovalchuk in his game. That urgency to score every shift. Willingness to be a little selfish with the puck and drive to the net, and let the puck rip whenever he gets within 20 feet of the net, and not look for outlet passes. Until MSP is willing to do this, he will be an ultra skilled support player.

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I would Still take MPS over anyone from his draft year selected after #4.

How anyone can say he has a bad world juniors is beyond me.

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Wasn't Myers also average at the WJC last year? It's too early to be judging players right now.
No, Myers and Aulie were the best shut down guys in the entire WJC last year.

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Have to fit Gagner in there somewhere

Hall - Gagner - Eberle
Hemsky - Brule - Penner
Cogliano - Horcoff - Nash
Nilson - Lander - O'Sullivan
You didn't even use MPS

Can't Hall also play center? In 2011-12 I'd like to see a top 6 that looks like this...

Paajarvi - Hall/Seguin - Hemsky
Penner - Gagner - Eberle

Hemsky and Penner will be in the final year of their deals while MPS, Eberle and Hall/Seguin will all be in the 2nd year of their entry level contracts(assuming their rookies next season).

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MPS's skill set is just so impressive. Elite speed, elite lateral movement. Elite puck movement on the power play from everywhere in the offensive zone. An elite cannon of a shot. He even shows elite backchecking skills. The thing is, I don't see a killer instinct when it comes to scoring, like most elite players have. Some of the scouts that questioned his scoring ability were bang on IMO.

Still, his size, speed and skill is just so intriguing, so much so that I think his downside would have to be that of a player like Alex Kovalev; all world skills but always leaves you wanting more. When comparing him to Russian players, MPS needs a little more Ilya Kovalchuk in his game. That urgency to score every shift. Willingness to be a little selfish with the puck and drive to the net, and let the puck rip whenever he gets within 20 feet of the net, and not look for outlet passes. Until MSP is willing to do this, he will be an ultra skilled support player.

i know what ur saying and i do agree for the most part..esp more kovalchuck. i want more kovalchuk to go around. cogliano+kovalchuk= a cogliano as good as kovalchuk. now that would be sweet

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Great thread, can't believe I'm only seeing it now, lol.

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I would Still take MPS over anyone from his draft year selected after #4.

How anyone can say he has a bad world juniors is beyond me.
People are idiots, remember last year, "MSP can't finish"...

And yes, I too would take MSP in the top 5, in fact, I had him ranked at 3 last season, only behind JT and Hedman.

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I like Paajarvi, I could see him being a Milan Michalek type player in the NHL. The best thing about him, outside of his speed and size, is the fact that he doesn't shy away from contact. That alone should preclude him being exposed as a one trick pony in NA, players who are willing to go to the net with his speed and skill are bound to put up some points. I was a huge fan last year, and I feel the same after this tournament. Sure, he doesn't have the raw offensive ability of the Tavares/Duchene's of this world, but he has the tools to be a first liner in the NHL.

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I like Paajarvi, I could see him being a Milan Michalek type player in the NHL. The best thing about him, outside of his speed and size, is the fact that he doesn't shy away from contact. That alone should preclude him being exposed as a one trick pony in NA, players who are willing to go to the net with his speed and skill are bound to put up some points. I was a huge fan last year, and I feel the same after this tournament. Sure, he doesn't have the raw offensive ability of the Tavares/Duchene's of this world, but he has the tools to be a first liner in the NHL.
Actually I believe he has the offensive abilites they have... or atleast as Duchene but he doesnt have the two way game duchene posseses or the finishing ability of Tavares

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I would Still take MPS over anyone from his draft year selected after #4.

How anyone can say he has a bad world juniors is beyond me.
Why? he hasn't even played in the NHL yet

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I agree with the Michalek comparison. It's getting harder and harder for people to criticize Magnus, although it seems people are still able to. I'm still happy with the Cowen pick. It will take several disappointing seasons in the NHL to convince me he's a bust. Not just a couple bad games. Here's hoping both kids turn into great players.

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