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01-14-2008, 09:10 PM
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Mike Gartner vs Luc Robitaille

Mike has 708 goals and is a HOFer. Luc has 668 goals and may be a HOFer. 1. Does Luc deserve the HOF? 2. Who was better?

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01-14-2008, 09:13 PM
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In their prime, Robitaille.

Overall career, Gartner.

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Luc's going to the Hall of fame whether anyone likes it or not. As far as the original question... boy, it's tough. Luc is as fast on his feet now as he was his rookie year... and that's not a compliment. Gartner, on the other hand was a fantastic skater. Around the net, Robitaille has an edge in natural goal scoring ability. I gotta say that it's a push.

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Robitaille, and it's not really all that close in my books.

Robitaille was top-10 in scoring 5 times (plus finished 11th twice more) and top-5 in scoring twice. Holds the NHL record for points by a LW. Gartner cleared 100 points once, squeaked into the top 10 in scoring once, and was just not nearly as elite a player.

Robitaille will cakewalk to the HHOF, probably on the first ballot. He was the best LW in the sport (albeit not great competition at that position) from 1987-1993 and was named a post-season All-Star 7 seasons in a row. He was a legitimate superstar in the late 80s/early 90s, something Gartner never was.

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Robitaille, and it's not really all that close in my books.

Robitaille was top-10 in scoring 5 times (plus finished 11th twice more) and top-5 in scoring twice. Holds the NHL record for points by a LW. Gartner cleared 100 points once, squeaked into the top 10 in scoring once, and was just not nearly as elite a player.

Robitaille will cakewalk to the HHOF, probably on the first ballot. He was the best LW in the sport (albeit not great competition at that position) from 1987-1993 and was named a post-season All-Star 7 seasons in a row. He was a legitimate superstar in the late 80s/early 90s, something Gartner never was.
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Wow! Those wacky ATD guys drafted him before some guys I thought were better:

138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Gartner
139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Norm Ullman
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Pat LaFontaine

Round #6
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Luc Robitaille
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Roy Conacher

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Wow! Those wacky ATD guys drafted him before some guys I thought were better:

138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Gartner
139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Norm Ullman
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Pat LaFontaine

Round #6
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Luc Robitaille
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Roy Conacher
Give me Norm Ullman or Roy Conacher over either.

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Give me Norm Ullman or Roy Conacher over either.
I'll take Pat LaFontaine and Luc Robitaille over Gartner.


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Wow! Those wacky ATD guys drafted him before some guys I thought were better:

138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Gartner
139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Norm Ullman
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Pat LaFontaine

Round #6
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Luc Robitaille
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Roy Conacher
Don't let one person's vote as GM of one team in one draft weigh too heavily. There are literally hundreds of examples of inferior players being selected ahead of superior players in the ATD for good reasons -- looking for certain skill sets, positions, etc.

They're a nice poll -- both were well-traveled and great scorers, Gartner was a rocket and Robitaille was plodding. I personally rate Robitaille well-ahead of Gartner. Robitaille was the best in hockey at his position for quite a few years in the early-to-mid 90's, something you could never say about Gartner. It took Robitaille years to finally win the Cup, but at least he did, something that counts for a few points in my book.

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Easily Robitaille. His first and second team all star nods and his rank in league goals leaders season-by-season does it for me. He also dealt with the low-scoring dead puck era. I'm sure he has Gartner in adjusted goals, plus he has a cup.

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01-15-2008, 12:32 PM
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i would take robitaille on my team any day of the week over gartner

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Anyone would salivate at Gartner's speed. The problem is that other than the fact that only Jagr has as many 30 goal seasons and only Gretzky and Dionne have more 40 goal seasons Gartner didnt bring as much to the table. He was usually good for 40 goals a year. That's fine but he often got no better than a point per game. Plus he never won a Cup or has a good playoff record, decent would be the best way to put it.

Robitaille annoyed you with his slow skating but he scored. If he was with Gretzky he scored. If he was without Gretzky he scored. When he returned to LA late in his career he had 88 points on an average team. He had a better peak than Gartner and maybe even more natural goal scoring instincts. That and the fact his nickname was "Lucky Luc." I mean have you seen some of his goals? Only Luc Robitaille could score from an impossible angle while falling and have the puck bounce off the goalie's pad and in. Only Luc could pop in a goal after the goalie gives up a third rebound and is WAYY out of position. He was always in the right place. Luck? Maybe but he did it over 650 times.

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i can't believe this is even a question. robitaille easily. both played their best years in the most offensive period ever, though gartner played through the entire era, while robitaille missed the early years in the 80s. but the crucial difference: gartner scored 30-50 goals during the highest scoring era ever. robitaille, on the other hand, was a consistent 45-55 goal scorer, and had a career year of 63. robitaille was one of the greatest pp performers in the league in his prime, perhaps one of the best goal mouth scorers ever, particularly impressive being that the other crease giants (esposito and kerr to name just two) physically dominated their competitors and were extremely difficult to move while robitaille did it more with intelligence and guile.

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