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01-15-2008, 09:27 AM
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I'd prefer Cally to Moore...

but Cally should get a couple more games. Moore's a bit odd to me. He skates around and doesn't seem to get things done. He hs good speed, size, etc., but doesn't seem able to put it together. He started to put it together this season in HFD, so perhaps he needs a bit more time there.

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01-15-2008, 10:48 AM
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The answer for this team isnt 3rd line fowards i have been pleased with the way the kids play but if they arent lighting it up in the ahl they sure as **** aint gonna be our saviors

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but Cally should get a couple more games. Moore's a bit odd to me. He skates around and doesn't seem to get things done. He hs good speed, size, etc., but doesn't seem able to put it together. He started to put it together this season in HFD, so perhaps he needs a bit more time there.
moore i thought with drury and hossa played very well last nite.....got a few scoring chances and played well defensively and on the pk....seems to still be getting used to it but he does have size

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agreed, Prucha has been awful. Every time he touches the puck somebody crushes him and the play goes the other direction. He has been playing scared.

I think no matter waht, for his development Cally needs some time in the AHL, I think it is good for him to be getting top line minutes and getting a chance to put the biscuit in the basket. He needs that.

Moore is doing ok at the NHL level, nothing spectacular, but nothing horrendous either.

IMO, Prucha is the one who really does not belong in our lineup anymore, but you cannot send him down. I would love to see them trade him for a draft pick or something next season, he is redundant with Dawes and Dawes is better. Prucha really got a beating last season whenever he touched the puck as people discovered he could score and he plays scared now. Once a player decides the NHL is too scary for them, I consider them done and I think that is what has happened to Prucha, it is a shame because the kid is good and he works so hard, but he no longer goes into the corners, he even shys
away from the boards and just gives up the puck when a big hit is coming.
I couldn't disagree more with this statement. Prucha may not be producing at the level we expected of him but saying he plays scared is something I just don't see. The kid is almost always getting knocked down in front of the net trying to find a rebound. The bigs hits he absorbs on a nightly basis is because he is putting himself into those high impact areas trying to make a play. Last night when there was a scrum at the end of the game who was the first player to jump in to defend Dubinsky, Prucha. There hasn't been a single time this season when I questioned Pruchas courage. In terms of his production, that is a different story.

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01-15-2008, 01:51 PM
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dunno what some of you are talking about

moore has had some quick bursts with scoring chances, a lot more than some of the team has done. im kinda sick of jagr's routine entrance into the offensive zone. skate the puck down the boards, quick turn around and pass, thats all he does anymore. or he plays catch with baby roszival whos too afraid to shoot the puck like he needs permission from jagr.

i dont think moore should be a topic of discussion when it comes to how well are team is doing. hes doing awesome staying out of the box and creating chances.

plus, you can't just expect the man to adapt to NHL play conditions within 2-3 games. i mean when they first moved staal up, he was like invisible for the first few games. i didnt think he was anything special, but now look at him? hes like the great wall of china.

obviously you shouldnt play moore over a key player like shanny, but i don't think some of these cry posts are worth typing. hes not the one souring our play style. i think it's more of a team thing than anything

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If Renney didn't have such a hard-on for the HBO, I think he'd have to try ( sigh, he won't)

Straka-Gomez-Jagr
Avery-Drury-Shanahan
Dawes-Dubinsky-Prucha
Hossa-Betts-Moore <-- how defensively responsible is that line???

Cally needs to just go down and get himself sorted out. He needs to play down in the A like he did last year before we called him up before we bring him back up.

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Moore has done just fine with his play on a checking line. There is no reason to send him down in favor of Callahan. Let Cally spend some time in Hartford and when needed pull him up.

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It seems that the majority want to see Cally spend and extended period of time in Hartford. I was more hoping this would be a "kick in the rear end" demotion. I don't see Callahan as someone who will drastically improve his skillset playing in Hartford. When we sent Prucha down two years ago he played in only 2 games for Hartford and was recalled and went on a tear. I thought Callahans demotion was intended to create a similiar result. I don't see the long term benefits of keeping him down there as most do.

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01-15-2008, 04:03 PM
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If Renney didn't have such a hard-on for the HBO, I think he'd have to try ( sigh, he won't)

Straka-Gomez-Jagr
Avery-Drury-Shanahan
Dawes-Dubinsky-Prucha
Hossa-Betts-Moore <-- how defensively responsible is that line???
Why should he try? The HBO has been everything and more that you ask for from a 4th line..They don't needto be changed...Once again, the problem lies in the consistency of the top 3 lines and the PP...And team defense....Not sure how defsivewly responsible that line would be until they played together for the first time..

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01-15-2008, 04:37 PM
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Larry...

I'd say the problem is moreso with the top two lines. The 'third' line gets about 8-10 minutes of ice time and currently consists of players with a collective NHL experience of 3 seasons. They are doing pretty much the same as the 'fourth' lne and that's making sure this team doesn't lose by giving up goals and thus setting it up for the top six players on this team to win the game. I don't know how many goals would be expected of a third line that often plays less than a fourth line and that very often goes against decent offensive counterparts and is also not expected to give up goals.

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I'd say the problem is moreso with the top two lines. The 'third' line gets about 8-10 minutes of ice time and currently consists of players with a collective NHL experience of 3 seasons. They are doing pretty much the same as the 'fourth' lne and that's making sure this team doesn't lose by giving up goals and thus setting it up for the top six players on this team to win the game. I don't know how many goals would be expected of a third line that often plays less than a fourth line and that very often goes against decent offensive counterparts and is also not expected to give up goals.
I'll admit that the line between the "third" line and the "4th" line is very blurry as borne out by the recent ice time. But almost all the third liners got themselves into this pickle by not peforming and producing one iota..And, while a 4th line is not expected to score goals, and we were getting a bonus with their very good defense, A 3rd line that isn't a checking line, OTOH, needs to score. They just weren't doing it Renney had no choice. However, there have been some good signs the past three games with DDP so maybe things start to change a little.

Looking at the bigger picture, a problem with this team is notthatthe 3rd liners aren't any good butthat guys like Prucha, Cally and one of Dawes/Prucha were being counted on to score 15-20 goals. That's what personnel decisons were based on. ANd unless DDP gets going (which is possible) those decsions were faulty.

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Why should he try? The HBO has been everything and more that you ask for from a 4th line..They don't needto be changed...Once again, the problem lies in the consistency of the top 3 lines and the PP...And team defense....Not sure how defsivewly responsible that line would be until they played together for the first time..
except outside Hollweg's 2 goal anomally, they really haven't brought much to the score sheet. An ideal 4th line is good for 15-30 goals a season. We need to play to win, not play to not lose. Playing the fourth line doesn't increase your chances of scoring. They are good for decreasing the chances of anyone scoring. Either improve this or give them less time (unless we're holding the lead - no wonder why we play better when we have the lead!).

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