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01-15-2008, 10:45 AM
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ESPN Article on Jagr

Since it was on the main NHL page, I figured I'd post it here
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...ott&id=3196519

ESPN's main page says: Time To Trade?

So you can get the gist, but it read it anyway.

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01-15-2008, 10:47 AM
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Since it was on the main NHL page, I figured I'd post it here
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=3196519

ESPN's main page says: Time To Trade?

So you can get the gist, but it read it anyway.
I'm at work where I can't get to espn.go.com as it is blocked...can you do me the favor of quoting some of it here?

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01-15-2008, 10:52 AM
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Can't see it. Only way they'd consider trading Jagr is if this slide continues for another 4-6 weeks and they are way out of the playoff picture by the trade deadline.

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01-15-2008, 10:53 AM
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PITTSBURGH -- So, here we are, more than halfway through this wacky NHL season, and the New York Rangers continue to wait for what was foretold on paper -- heck, what logic dictated should happen -- to become a reality.

Blessed with a bevy of offensive talent that includes blue-chip free-agent acquisitions Chris Drury and Scott Gomez, three-time Stanley Cup winner Brendan Shanahan, agitator extraordinaire Sean Avery, Martin Straka and five-time NHL scoring champ Jaromir Jagr, the Rangers began the season as many prognosticators' pick to win the Eastern Conference. Some even predicted a Stanley Cup parade next June in Gotham.

But it hasn't turned out that way. Not even close.

After being dumped 4-1 on Monday night by the Pittsburgh Penguins, a game in which they gave up three first-period goals, the Rangers are last in the Atlantic Division, ninth in the East and have dropped of six of their last seven games. Perhaps even more perplexing than the poor record, the Rangers have somehow managed to become the lowest scoring team in the NHL, averaging just 2.37 goals per game.

So, instead of tinkering with the roster come trade deadline time next month, maybe looking to pick up some defensive help or scoring depth up front for the playoffs, the Rangers now must consider something more dramatic, possibly stunning, if they are going to get back in the Stanley Cup game.

And if general manager Glen Sather is considering such a move, that consideration begins and ends with Jagr.
First 20 or so lines. HF rules don't allow for any more.

Goes on to talk about Nylander and the great chemistry they had.

Talks about how Jagr is no longer "the" guy and how Gomez & Drury are that now.

Talks about how trading Jagr would be logical because he's a UFA.

Talks about how Colorado has a lot of injuries and may be willing to move Liles.

Talks about how San Jose and Vancouver may be willing to make a move.

Renney says that Jagr has had great intentions from Day 1.

Jagr acknowledges that it's all about goals even if you are doing other good things on the ice.

That he loves playing in NY and doesn't want to leave but if the team tells him that they won't want him anymore there's nothing he can do.

Then says that ""things can change just like that" referring to his game and the team.

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01-15-2008, 10:55 AM
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I'm at work where I can't get to espn.go.com as it is blocked...can you do me the favor of quoting some of it here?
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So, instead of tinkering with the roster come trade deadline time next month, maybe looking to pick up some defensive help or scoring depth up front for the playoffs, the Rangers now must consider something more dramatic, possibly stunning, if they are going to get back in the Stanley Cup game.


And if general manager Glen Sather is considering such a move, that consideration begins and ends with Jagr.

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A lot of Jagr's success the past two seasons was due to the karma created with former linemate Michael Nylander. Both were creative puck-handling specialists, and they fed off each other. Jagr was the Lone Ranger, and Nylander was his Tonto.
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A source familiar with the team told ESPN.com earlier this season that he thinks one of the problems in getting the new pieces in New York to gel has been that Jagr is no longer "the" guy. When the Rangers signed Drury to a five-year deal and lured Gomez across the river from the New Jersey Devils with a seven-year contract, they became the focal point of the team -- they became the team's future.
That's exactly what I've been saying all along here: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=463189

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jagr for oli!

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01-15-2008, 11:11 AM
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Talks about how San Jose and Vancouver may be willing to make a move.
Petrecki, Couture and a #1 for Jagr!!!!

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01-15-2008, 11:13 AM
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Dallas Stars would be a perfect fit for Jaromir Jagr

Jagr has a NTC?Don't think so

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I miss Jags the old Jags '05-'06

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Zherdev,Mayorov,Klesla,1st,3rd for Jagr,Rozsival.

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Can't see it. Only way they'd consider trading Jagr is if this slide continues for another 4-6 weeks and they are way out of the playoff picture by the trade deadline.
Hey lets hold on to our dropping stock, maybe it will go back up.


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Zherdev,Mayorov,Klesla,1st,3rd for Jagr,Rozsival.
No way.

Our defense gets weaker, and our offense does as well.

Rozy >> Klesla

Zherdev is exactly what we don't need, and Mayorov and the picks are all gambles... If you trade Jagr, then you need to get back a blue chip young player.

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I love Jagr, but he's just not the same. It's time for someone else to drive this train, and I am sure someone would overpay for him at the deadline.

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01-15-2008, 11:36 AM
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No way.

Our defense gets weaker, and our offense does as well.

Rozy >> Klesla

Zherdev is exactly what we don't need, and Mayorov and the picks are all gambles... If you trade Jagr, then you need to get back a blue chip young player.
Klesla has more Potential then Rozsival, is younger and won't demand much $$$. We save some $$$ and use it towards our needs, Henrik, Dan, Fedor etc.

Zherdev, IMO, means a change of scenery. i thik Zherdev will explode in NYC. Mayorov has tremendous skill, and is a project and can turn-out to be a sniper if groomed properly.

The 1st and 3rd round picks aren't as much of a gamble as you think in such a deep draft coming up.

That's my take on it.

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Klesla has more Potential then Rozsival, is younger and won't demand much $$$. We save some $$$ and use it towards our needs, Henrik, Dan, Fedor etc.

Zherdev, IMO, means a change of scenery. i thik Zherdev will explode in NYC. Mayorov has tremendous skill, and is a project and can turn-out to be a sniper if groomed properly.

The 1st and 3rd round picks aren't as much of a gamble as you think in such a deep draft coming up.

That's my take on it.
very interesting. I'm inclined and might actually do this trade. But I don't know if I can handle zherdov's personality.

I am also hesitant in trading both those players in the same trade. I think you can get more from them in two separate trades from different teams.

But I would definately consider this trade depending on the market.

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I find this very interesting, didn't know this
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Jagr will turn 36 in February. He has a no-trade clause that will have to be waived if the Rangers consider moving him. He made it clear he is not looking to leave. But if the Rangers ask him to, that will be a different story.
If Rangers are out of playoff picture, then yes, you gotta try to trade Jagr.
But otherwise Sather seems to be very relaxed about trades(as last year) and he is not jumping the gun so fast.

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Zherdev,Mayorov,Klesla,1st,3rd for Jagr,Rozsival.
NHL 08 sure does spit out some interesting trades

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let's all get real

there is a very very very very minute chance that the Rangers trade Jagr. we all know that..

although i definitely don't mind getting the new and improved Zherdev, and taking the team from Czech to Russian..

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Let me start this with the fact that I love Jagr in New York, and I get the feeling that he feels the same way. I think he's a great face to the team, and in the last couple years he really led like no other could have.

With that said, this season has been a complete 180. Obviously none of us know what goes on in the locker room, but it seems to me that he has taken a step back out of the leadership role, and nobody has stepped in. This presents problems, as is evident in all that we've seen from the team in the last couple months.

This brings us to the trade option. I personally don't think that at his age, we're going to get anything that's going to benefit us enough to warrant a trade. While the concept of trading Jagr seems beneficial to us at this point, we have to be realistic and know that teams aren't chomping at the bit to get this guy and give up their future for him. At best you're getting another couple years out of him, but with him being an UFA (I don't think he's gonna hit what it takes to initiate the options, if I understand them correctly) it's more of a Ryan Smyth type rental that we saw last year.

However I don't think that Jagr demands the amount and type of players that we need. There is no way we can ditch Jagr for the missing pieces right now, especially because all things considered we're not that far out of the playoff picture.

Yes, we are all getting close to the PANIC BUTTON and we have every right to be, but I just don't think trading Jagr is going to answer any questions. It lies with Jagr to accept his diminished role as a leader, and start worrying about scoring goals as he said in the article instead of whatever the hell else he is doing.

All in all, to sum all that rambling up, I think it's safe to say that trading Jagr at this point would be a mistake; we'd be compromising the chance we still have this year to make the playoffs. We were in the same position last year, and we missed the Eastern Conference Championships by a few bad calls. The last month this team has been plagued by the injury monster, and as soon as we get Shanny, Avery, and everyone else important back, I think the team will be fine.

As of this writing we're 1 point out of the playoffs. Let's be serious, thats nothing. Yes we have a couple games up on everyone else, but over the next month it evens out and going into the last 3 weeks of the season, the Rangers actually have two or three games in hand on most of the division, which will work in our benefit. I think at this point it's safe to say that the Panic Button can be renamed the Trade Jagr Button because they both mean the same thing: that we've given up, and I just don't think we can do that if we're within 8ish points of a playoff spot come the trade deadline.

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do it trade him.

to the oilers...

Jagr+ a pick for hemsky!

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"If" the Rangers tank it, Sather will trade Jagr if he's not going to hit his benchmarks

Tank it + Jagr not meeting the benchmarks = Trade


otherwise it makes no sense to trade Jaromir Jagr and his sweet contract away from your team. None.



Even if JJ doesnt make the benchmarks BUT the Rangers make the playoffs....wow tough call for uncle Glen.....


I say he rolls the dice and keeps him for the playoffs


If the Rangers TANK miss the playoffs BUT Jagr hits those benchmarks, he's still a SWEET bang for the buck.

tough call

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With that said, this season has been a complete 180.
The team is still above .500 hockey.

They were worse last year at this point no?

above .500 = tinkering not panicing

No doubt the tight Atlantic adds an edge, but the team will be allright.


I think


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"If" the Rangers tank it, Sather will trade Jagr if he's not going to hit his benchmarks

Tank it + Jagr not meeting the benchmarks = Trade


otherwise it makes no sense to trade Jaromir Jagr and his sweet contract away from your team. None.



Even if JJ doesnt make the benchmarks BUT the Rangers make the playoffs....wow tough call for uncle Glen.....


I say he rolls the dice and keeps him for the playoffs


If the Rangers TANK miss the playoffs BUT Jagr hits those benchmarks, he's still a SWEET bang for the buck.

tough call
If the Rangers miss the playoffs with Jagr still on the team and he hits his benchmarks,the option doesn't trigger because the Rangers need to win another playoff series

For Jagr to hit the reach those benchmarks,he is going to have to go on a tremendous streak

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The team is still above .500 hockey.

They were worse last year at this point no?

above .500 = tinkering not panicing

No doubt the tight Atlantic adds an edge, but the team will be allright.


I think

I meant in terms of Jagr specifically and his play. You are most definitely right about the team. We're still much better off than this point last year so thats always a plus lol.

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If the Rangers miss the playoffs with Jagr still on the team and he hits his benchmarks,the option doesn't trigger because the Rangers need to win another playoff series

For Jagr to hit the reach those benchmarks,he is going to have to go on a tremendous streak
What is Jagr on pace for? 71 points? He needs to finish with 84 points and win a playoff series...right?

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