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01-24-2004, 07:35 AM
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Sabres Rangers PROSPOALS

With the Rangers needing defensemen and a goalie maybe with a concussion to dunham here are a few prospoals.


TO NY: Alexei Zhitnik 5rd pick

TO BF: Peter Neved or Havalac

.. BLOCKBUSTER

To Rangers : Miro Satan, Alexei Zhitnik , Martin Biron

To Sabres : Either Pavel Bure or Alex Kovelev and a 3 rd pick

Any other ideas that would work

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Trade 1...

No, it's not going to happen. You're not getting 2 roster players for Alexei Zhitnik and a mid round draft pick. Be happy if you can land a 3rd round pick for Zhitnik.

Trade 2...

Overpayment by the Sabres. Bure and Kovalev aren't that much better then Satan, IMO. I also think you can land Pavel Bure or Alex Kovalev straight up for Biron, just because of their contracts and the age difference... and that would still be overpaying because of the apparent CBA strike.

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Pavel Bure? The chances of him returning to the ice are like 5%, and even then, I doubt he will be much of a factor. Kovalev is good, but I fail to see why a pricey All-Star would be of interest for the Sabres, while they are already trying to deal Satan for the same reasons (money and age)..

Either way, Zhitnik would easily command Hlavac and IMO he's worth Nedved as well if you throw in some interesting future's regarding Zhitnik's UFA status. The market for temporarely defensemen (read: pending UFA's) is as high as ever, I could see several teams starting a bidding war among themselves, the Sabres could definitely get something nice for him around trade deadline day.

Teasms like the Blues, Predators, Rangers, Ducks, Avs, Flyers, Devs you name it and they would all love to add Zhitnik for a 3rd as mentioned above.

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With the Rangers needing defensemen and a goalie maybe with a concussion to dunham here are a few prospoals.


TO NY: Alexei Zhitnik 5rd pick

TO BF: Peter Neved or Havalac

.. BLOCKBUSTER

To Rangers : Miro Satan, Alexei Zhitnik , Martin Biron

To Sabres : Either Pavel Bure or Alex Kovelev and a 3 rd pick

Any other ideas that would work
Trade 1: I don't see why the Sabres would want to add salary at a position IMO they are good at, Zhitnik will most likely be traded for a younger defenceman and maybe a pick or prospect.

Trade 2: Well Bure is injured so i'll throw him out. But this deal doesn't really make much sence for both sides, but especially Buffalo. Why would Buffalo want Alexei Kovalev when they're in a rebuilding stage? Case Closed.

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I'd thought a bit about trade #2 but a more simplified version.

Satan's struggling with the Sabres, last I heard Kovalev is struggling with the Rangers (that doesn't sound familiar), how about Satan for Kovalev, maybe a pick or middle-level prospect thrown in to even out?

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I'd thought a bit about trade #2 but a more simplified version.

Satan's struggling with the Sabres, last I heard Kovalev is struggling with the Rangers (that doesn't sound familiar), how about Satan for Kovalev, maybe a pick or middle-level prospect thrown in to even out?
Buffalo is trying to shed salary here, not add it

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Originally Posted by SabreDude2631
With the Rangers needing defensemen and a goalie maybe with a concussion to dunham here are a few prospoals.


TO NY: Alexei Zhitnik 5rd pick

TO BF: Peter Neved or Havalac

.. BLOCKBUSTER

To Rangers : Miro Satan, Alexei Zhitnik , Martin Biron

To Sabres : Either Pavel Bure or Alex Kovelev and a 3 rd pick

Any other ideas that would work
Both those trades.....yuck. Nedved is no better than Drury or Briere and almost makes more than them combined. Buffalo needs to repair their blueline, espically if Zhitnik is gone. Kovalev would be an upgrade over Satan....but Buffalo is rebuilding, and they need veteran leaders who can score goals, not players who can just score goals.

To NYR: Zhitnik, Biron
To Buffalo: Tjutin, Murray, 1st Round pick

Why? The NYR NEED a goalie and they NEED a defensmen who can log alot of ice time if they want to make the playoffs. Scoring 5 goals a game won't help you much if you are giving up 6.

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No, it's not going to happen. You're not getting 2 roster players for Alexei Zhitnik and a mid round draft pick. Be happy if you can land a 3rd round pick for Zhitnik.
He said or not and. And I think you'll be relatively surprised as to what Z commands...

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Trade 1...

No, it's not going to happen. You're not getting 2 roster players for Alexei Zhitnik and a mid round draft pick. Be happy if you can land a 3rd round pick for Zhitnik.
Hmmm, Zhitnik....UFA after this season, can log 25+ minutes a game and play on the PP,and mobile. isn't that the kid of player who carries the MOST value with the upcoming CBA? Actually, the way things are going, I would be less suprised to see Buffalo get 2 roster players for Zhitnik than for them to get a good prospect and a mid round pick. Zhitnik will at LEAST fetch a marginal prospect+2nd round pick

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He said or not and. And I think you'll be relatively surprised as to what Z commands...

Lucky to get a 3rd round pick?Zhitnik is a very good defenseman,who would easily get a package better then what Stu Barnes got.(Mike Ryan and a 2nd round pick) even though Barnes wasn't going to be a UFA.Zhitnik is a player that Can put teams over the top.

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Buffalo is trying to shed salary here, not add it

Golisano has said that he's willing to add salary if he gets the right sales pitch.

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Zhitnik is a player that Can put teams over the top.
Absolutely correct. Bigger budget teams will love to add him for one last run before the hard cap or luxury tax. He's a #1 on the Sabres and would be a tremendous 2nd-pairing guy on most contenders. He's the definition of a final piece to a cup run. That said, I think a pick + quality D prospect is in the return range.

Boychuk + 2nd for Z!!

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Why would they shed salary after adding to it before the season?

Unless it's a rebuild.....

The more you read things here the more disillusioned you become.



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I don't understand the purpose of the proposals. A forward like Nedved or Hlavac isn't going to spark the Sabres. Losing Zhitnik puts a damper on an already average defensive unit. Might want to invest in some defensemen in the return.

I wouldn't mind seeing Satan, Zhitnik and Biron heading out the door, but not for Kovalev. Why bring in a star name when you are shipping important parts of the team out the door. If you want to dump Satan, Zhitnik and Biron in a complete rebuild then get some young, less expensive players who can remain with the team for 5+ years.

Pavel Bure? Isn't he going to retire?


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Originally Posted by SabreDude2631
With the Rangers needing defensemen and a goalie maybe with a concussion to dunham here are a few prospoals.


TO NY: Alexei Zhitnik 5rd pick

TO BF: Peter Neved or Havalac

.. BLOCKBUSTER

To Rangers : Miro Satan, Alexei Zhitnik , Martin Biron

To Sabres : Either Pavel Bure or Alex Kovelev and a 3 rd pick

Any other ideas that would work

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Why would they shed salary after adding to it before the season?
They added salary with the goal of making the playoffs this season. When that doesn't work, you turn to plan B.

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They would have been wise to never add salary to begin with, cause this lineup would be lucky to make the AHL playoffs.

Whoever bought into this stupid playoff mandate last summer.....it's the same damn roster as last year, the same egghead coach and the same do-nothing GM.

They can take their playoff mandate and stick it.



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They added salary with the goal of making the playoffs this season. When that doesn't work, you turn to plan B.
And guess what? This will repeat itself year after year......

WE NEED TO MAKE PLAYOFF! WE ADD SALARY! OH NO, TEAM DON'T MAKE PLAYOFF....MUST CUT SALARY!

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dont like them. For Zhitnik and Biron i want a Solid Dman back. not going to happen.

IF we are trying to make the playoffs we need to get some rent a players to have a shot.

IF we are not going to, Satan and Zhitnik need to go for a top 10 PYsical Dman prospect, maybe both for a better Dman. Or trade Zhitnik for a 1st/2nd rounder. try to leave enough salary room to make a excellent run for Niedermayer during the offseason

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Zhitnik to Van for Umberger or Fedorov an a 5th round pick

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Zhitnik to Van for Umberger or Fedorov an a 5th round pick
A D prospect (Koltsov) has to come back the other way.

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A D prospect (Koltsov) has to come back the other way.
Zhitnik isn't needed, unless you're willing to take Malik as partial trade. If the Canucks trade Koltsov, it will be as part of a package for a proven secondary scorer.

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why would the nucks want Zhitnik anyway?! they have problems in net, not on the ice.

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why would the nucks want Zhitnik anyway?! they have problems in net, not on the ice.


Will Cloutier ever get any respect? BTW, goalies play on the ice too!

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Zhitnik isn't needed, unless you're willing to take Malik as partial trade. If the Canucks trade Koltsov, it will be as part of a package for a proven secondary scorer.
I don't know if Z is "needed" in Vancouver or not. I was just responding to a previous post. As for your point, Kotalik or Afinogenov could be had for the right price. Not exactly "proven," but potentially dynamic in the right situation.

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Will Cloutier ever get any respect? BTW, goalies play on the ice too!
lmao. true. my mistake.

Cloutier doesnt DESERVE playoff respect. he set the worst goalie stats in the NHL ever last playoffs. that's pretty aweful. he made the wild attack look like a powerhouse. Hedberg i dont rate, he might be better, just might do the job, but i dont think so.

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Will Cloutier ever get any respect?
No.

It's too bad the Canucks don't need Zhitnik because a Zhitnik for Sopel deal is really beginning to grow on me.

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