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01-19-2008, 08:48 PM
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And Koivu was once 25 and could carry a line. He isn't that player anymore and asking him to try and carry a bumbling Higgins and a 20 year and dominant is unrealistic.

Try and gain some perspective.

In my perspective, Koivu should quits hockey within 2-3 years, then he should go buy his hockey team with the millions the habs gave him. That's where his future belongs to. This is an evidence that Koivu losts interests in the habs or in improving his gameplay in the last few years. Why bother anymore?

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Higgins has been absolutely terrible. Do you even watch the games? Or just wait for losses to make ridiculous threads.
relax bud...I didn't make this thread.

Higgins has struggled but Higgins game needs a center who can get him the puck and Koivu's not doing that right now. Though there's no doubt Higgins can play much, much better.

Do you read threads? Or just make ridiculous comments?

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I don't think he's done...not remotely, in fact I think a change of scenery might rejuvenate him (that's another topic). But you see eroding skills with Koivu, and I think to maximise what he's got left, he's got to play with more established players than he has now.
I agree, but we have nobody to give him, except Plek's wingers and that line works too well to break up.

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A few months ago, I thought it was the time to trade him... but now, when we consider that we are closer to the playoffs, I don't think this is a good idea to trade him at this moment... unless we could obtain a center better than him to replace koivu... but that's very unlikely.

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Koivu didn't play well, no doubt about that but even during 2-on-2 rushes Higgins and Sergei looked completely out of sync and almost always tossed it too heavily into the corners, turning the puck right over.

All 3 stank tonight, it just happens that Koivu mucked that simple pass reception in the circle.
The whole line looked out of sync. I noticed the random dump ins with no forecheck too.

People also seem to forget Streit showing zero urgency to get back on the empty netter. He too was pathetic and simply isn't an everyday defenseman.

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Like a week ago when he was on a 10 game pt streak...

Seriously man this board is awesome. Really.
I think some people are tired and want consistency.

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01-19-2008, 08:51 PM
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relax bud...I didn't make this thread.

Higgins has struggled but Higgins game needs a center who can get him the puck and Koivu's not doing that right now. Though there's no doubt Higgins can play much, much better.

Do you read threads? Or just make ridiculous comments?
Sorry mistook you for NHA. Now you understand why my blood was boiling lol

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Like a week ago when he was on a 10 game pt streak...

Seriously man this board is awesome. Really.
Seriously.Tonight is a perfect opportunity for bashers and other bandwagoners
to bash Koivu.This thread was evidently predictable

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Koivu is absolutely useless if he can't pass the puck and right now he can't do it. He has never been a shooter. I think that a backhand shot from Kostitsyn from the blue line is more dangerous than a goalie crease wrist shot from Koivu. He's so frustrating to watch play, he ****s up every chance the Habs get.

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true...and not that it would of necessarily made a difference tonight, but.

Why wasn't our best center on the ice when we had an extra man?
Don't ask me, I'm not the coach. It isn't Koivu's fault that he was out there either.

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and thats true. But thats not Koivu's fault.
I don't know... but IMO, I think Carbo would of loved to send Plekanec out there, but it's 'touchy' leaving Koivu on the bench for that play.

I've been thinking about this scenario for a couple of games now...what if Carbo needs to pull the goalie, who does he send out there? The only question mark I had was Koivu/Plekanec...logic states you send out Plekanec, but do you really want to 'disrepect' your captain like that?

tough call for Carbo...

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I agree, but we have nobody to give him, except Plek's wingers and that line works too well to break up.

It's been awhile, but put Ryder back with Higgins and Koivu....there's not enough finish with Koivu/Higgins/Kosty Jr. (no pun intended) and might as well try to raise Ryder's trade value at the same time.

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This is too funny...This is like a carbon copy of a thread last season except it was about Kovalev.

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I don't know... but IMO, I think Carbo would of loved to send Plekanec out there, but it's 'touchy' leaving Koivu on the bench for that play.

I've been thinking about this scenario for a couple of games now...what if Carbo needs to pull the goalie, who does he send out there? The only question mark I had was Koivu/Plekanec...logic states you send out Plekanec, but do you really want to 'disrepect' your captain like that?

tough call for Carbo...
Except their is 6 man out so really having both out shouldn't be a problem.

Kovalev, Pleks, Kosty, Koivu, Streit and Markov.

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I don't know... but IMO, I think Carbo would of loved to send Plekanec out there, but it's 'touchy' leaving Koivu on the bench for that play.

I've been thinking about this scenario for a couple of games now...what if Carbo needs to pull the goalie, who does he send out there? The only question mark I had was Koivu/Plekanec...logic states you send out Plekanec, but do you really want to 'disrepect' your captain like that?

tough call for Carbo...
Koivu cares about winning, not his ego. This is one of the biggest myths on this forum. He doesn't put himself above the team. Where the hell does this come from?

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Except their is 6 man out so really having both out shouldn't be a problem.

Kovalev, Pleks, Kosty, Koivu, Streit and Markov.
but they had higgins out there.

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Don't ask me, I'm not the coach. It isn't Koivu's fault that he was out there either.
again...i'm not trying to start this big thing, but.

Can you imagine the whirlwind of contreversy if Carbo had left Koivu on the bench?

You think Koivu would of appreciated being left on the bench? At home no less?

I know Koivu's a touchy subject around here, and i'm not trying to blame him for the loss tonight or blame him for anything. However, everyone has to acknowledge that Koivu because of who he is and what he's meant to this organization, takes up alot of 'space' on the ice. Sometimes, it's to the detriment of the team.

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but they had higgins out there.
which could be a mistake with how he is playing too. But just responding to this it was "either Koivu or Pleks" type myth.

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Im at the point where Im would like to see what locke could do centering S.Kost and Higgins..

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Koivu cares about winning, not his ego. This is one of the biggest myths on this forum. He doesn't put himself above the team. Where the hell does this come from?
look...I know Koivu cares about winning. He's a warrior and i'm well aware of that.

But he IS a proud athlete, to be taken out of the game when an extra attacker out would be a tough pill to swallow for him, and I hope it would be.

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Koivu cares about winning, not his ego. This is one of the biggest myths on this forum. He doesn't put himself above the team. Where the hell does this come from?
I love Koivu and I'm one of his biggest supporters,but his performance was inexcusable.He may not perform to his standards this year but he's still a very solid
and contibuting.


But questioning his willing to win here and saying that he's thinking about his ego,about his rep and hates other players on the team because they perform
is completely BS.Ridiculous.

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If I said the same thing, they'd be flaming me. But in anyone's book, there's no way a second center would get to wear the C. Has it ever happened?
Is Chris Clark a first line player? I don't believe Koivu is the player he once was but to throw a guy like this under the bus after all hes been through and all hes done for this city is pretty sad. I wouldn't have blamed him for quitting after the cancer or the eye injury in which we would have lost one of our better players for nothing.

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look...I know Koivu cares about winning. He's a warrior and i'm well aware of that.

But he IS a proud athlete, to be taken out of the game when an extra attacker out would be a tough pill to swallow for him, and I hope it would be.
Again, he's a team player. He puts the team above his ego and always has.

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which could be a mistake with how he is playing too. But just responding to this it was "either Koivu or Pleks" type myth.
lol! how is that a myth?

I just said that a few weeks ago I was thinking about how Carbo would put out in this very situation, and to me, the decision came down to Plekanec or Koivu.

It's not a myth, it's just something I thought of

why is everyone so sensitive as soon as the subject of Koivu is brought up?

Calm down man

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