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01-20-2008, 11:29 AM
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Calgary has no reason just to shed salary mid season, they are still definetly in the hunt and most likely want to keep their team competitive for the run.

At the same time Sutter definetly knows that his position in negotiations with Phaneuf, Huselius and Langkow is more difficult, if the team is thin in cap space. Theoretically the salary could be shed during off-season, but practically I would think that Sutter would prefer not having to wait that long.

Need to shed salary means that Tanguay could be awailable. Right now he is making more than his role in team justifies. On talent level his contract ain't bad, but Flames just don't have space to pay that much to their 2nd level LW. If Flames are going to pay Huselius 1st line money next season, Tanguay will be moved.

Need to stay competitive definetly means that Tanguay won't be moved for picks and prospects. Such move can be made off-season (perhaps with a bit less gain, but having Tanguay for playoffs is asset in itself for Flames). Signing Joseph proved that Flames are not so concerned about their cap space this season (Joseph's cap hit is larger than their previous back-ups).

Now, Sutter has said to being intrested on adding speed to Flames. Montreal has player that would fit perfectly to that picture: have speed, take Tanguay's spot on the roster (2nd line LW), salary would fit nicely to the budget and player's role in the team:

Christopher Higgins

Tanguay for Higgins. Cap hits are 5,250 mil and 1,7 mil.

Tanguay is more experienced, more proven. Add to that he is french-canadian start, something that Habs are always looking for.

Higgins is younger, cheaper and at this season their point production is almost even. Higgins is groomed to be next leader of Habs, he is a kind of fan favourite and close friend of Mike Komisarek.

Who should add and what to make deal fair?

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01-20-2008, 11:36 AM
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Hmmm Tanguay for Higgins , am i the only one to think its paying alot for a trouble maker like Tanguay.*..

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01-20-2008, 11:37 AM
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Calgary has no reason just to shed salary mid season, they are still definetly in the hunt and most likely want to keep their team competitive for the run.

At the same time Sutter definetly knows that his position in negotiations with Phaneuf, Huselius and Langkow is more difficult, if the team is thin in cap space. Theoretically the salary could be shed during off-season, but practically I would think that Sutter would prefer not having to wait that long.

Need to shed salary means that Tanguay could be awailable. Right now he is making more than his role in team justifies. On talent level his contract ain't bad, but Flames just don't have space to pay that much to their 2nd level LW. If Flames are going to pay Huselius 1st line money next season, Tanguay will be moved.

Need to stay competitive definetly means that Tanguay won't be moved for picks and prospects. Such move can be made off-season (perhaps with a bit less gain, but having Tanguay for playoffs is asset in itself for Flames). Signing Joseph proved that Flames are not so concerned about their cap space this season (Joseph's cap hit is larger than their previous back-ups).

Now, Sutter has said to being intrested on adding speed to Flames. Montreal has player that would fit perfectly to that picture: have speed, take Tanguay's spot on the roster (2nd line LW), salary would fit nicely to the budget and player's role in the team:

Christopher Higgins

Tanguay for Higgins. Cap hits are 5,250 mil and 1,7 mil.

Tanguay is more experienced, more proven. Add to that he is french-canadian start, something that Habs are always looking for.

Higgins is younger, cheaper and at this season their point production is almost even. Higgins is groomed to be next leader of Habs, he is a kind of fan favourite and close friend of Mike Komisarek.

Who should add and what to make deal fair?
You don't trade Higgins. He and Komisarek are the future core of this team. As long as Higgins is here I'm not worried about re-signing Komisarek. Besides, the guy is a true Habs fan, since he was a kid. This whole "french Canadiens play harder for the Habs" thing applies to him to, moreso than many other Quebec born players actually.

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01-20-2008, 11:38 AM
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Calgary would be a good place for ryder to revive his career. I was thinking why the flames would want ryder and it may have something to do with theyre own ryder. Dan ryder is having drug related issues and is suspended by the team. Hes here in newfoundland playing ball hockey now lol.They bring michael in and maybe dan can get his self back together.
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01-20-2008, 11:39 AM
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personally i can not see a deal being made. bg is a poker player, he never shows his hand till need be....

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01-20-2008, 12:00 PM
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He never show his hand until the game is over and evryone is gone.

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01-20-2008, 01:39 PM
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Yelle has a 48.6 faceoff win pct, and was a scratch for the Wild game that Gainey and Gauthier were allegedly scouting. I don't think he's in their scope.
This and the fact that he has 2 goals and 4 assists in 42 games. Wouldn't the Habs be better served with Chipchura getting minutes than Yelle? If Bob makes a trade it should be to add strength to the Koivu line and not the bottom two, where we have plenty of players in house that can do the job.

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This and the fact that he has 2 goals and 4 assists in 42 games. Wouldn't the Habs be better served with Chipchura getting minutes than Yelle? If Bob makes a trade it should be to add strength to the Koivu line and not the bottom two, where we have plenty of players in house that can do the job.
Very good points...

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01-20-2008, 02:42 PM
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Why wouldn't Calgary just get Jokinen instead?
They would have to give up another good player besides Tanguay and Jokinen's contract stops them from signing their big FA next season

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01-20-2008, 05:35 PM
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ive heard calgary want andre (big brother) or higgins ne one elaborate?

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01-20-2008, 05:41 PM
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ive heard calgary want andre (big brother) or higgins ne one elaborate?
They can keep dreaming then.

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ive heard calgary want andre (big brother) or higgins ne one elaborate?
BG might listen to offers for Higgins...

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BG might listen to offers for Higgins...
Why? Because Habs fan are bipolar, and are willing to trade anybody whose slumping for 5 games or more?

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Higgins
Post of the year candidate imo.

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Post of the year candidate imo.
Most of the boards would vote for it since it includes bashing Higgins.

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Most of the boards would vote for it since it includes bashing Higgins.
Exactly. He's no where the top on the team goals. I don't understand why we keep him around, when he's not producing he's completely lost in the defensive zone, he has no hussle. And most of all, he can't skate. Seriously, I've seen a suicidal man get out of the way of a bus faster than I've seen Higgins race for a puck.

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Why? Because Habs fan are bipolar, and are willing to trade anybody whose slumping for 5 games or more?
No, because sometimes it takes something good to get something good. Some on this board think that Ryder and Bouillon, while perceived crappy (rightly or wrongly) on our team would be main cogs in landing a player like Jokinen.

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No, because sometimes it takes something good to get something good. Some on this board think that Ryder and Bouillon, while perceived crappy (rightly or wrongly) on our team would be main cogs in landing a player like Jokinen.
Gainey will not trade Higgins. You don't trade a 24 years old player with a "A" ,and already part of your core. I know that you have to give in order to receive, but think again. Plekanec is a possibly, Higgins is not.

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Gainey will not trade Higgins. You don't trade a 24 years old player with a "A" ,and already part of your core. I know that you have to give in order to receive, but think again. Plekanec is a possibly, Higgins is not.

Really, our best C and possibily our best forward with Kovalev who his having his second 40+ pts season is OK to trade... but a struggling player who have yet to get 40 pts in a season once is not cause he have a A ?

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Really, our best C and possibily our best forward with Kovalev who his having his second 40+ pts season is OK to trade... but a struggling player who have yet to get 40 pts in a season once is not cause he have a A ?
If the price is right yes. He has more chances of being traded than Higgins.

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If the price is right yes. He has more chances of being traded than Higgins.
still, Higgins wont be traded :

cause he has a A ?
cause he's ONE year younger than Plekanec ?
any other reason ?

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Your joking right? A 1st for Langkow, is he not an UFA at the end of this season?
He also has 45 points. That would make him our leading scorer and the 1st line center we need this year. Come July, he can be resigned or someone else can be brought in. He is worth a first rounder if we wish to make some playoff noise.

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He also has 45 points. That would make him our leading scorer and the 1st line center we need this year. Come July, he can be resigned or someone else can be brought in. He is worth a first rounder if we wish to make some playoff noise.
Too right. Roloson fetched a 1st, as did Rivet(weak draft bla bla). Anyone remember what Tkachuk went for? I remember it being a lot.

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still, Higgins wont be traded :

cause he has a A ?
cause he's ONE year younger than Plekanec ?
any other reason ?
like with any young player, POTENTIAL

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