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01-20-2008, 06:52 PM
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Question about Tanguay and his no trade claus

IF Montreal were to acquire Tanguay does his no trade clause come with him? I mean can Montreal then turn around and trade him to Florida as part of a package for Jokinen without asking him to waive his no trade again?

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if he waives it to come to Montreal, he loses it for good.

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I dont know...and if there isnt well at the very least I think there is a matter of trust and respect involved. Guys have NTC to chose where and when they are traded.

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If we take Tanguays no trade clause and combine it with Smolinski's No trade clause, does it override?

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Only if the Saku's one get waived too.

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If we take Tanguays no trade clause and combine it with Smolinski's No trade clause, does it override?
It would be worth acquiring Tanguay just to get Smolinsky out of Montreal

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Only if the Saku's one get waived too.
Boooooooooo to all you Koivu haters!

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If we take Tanguays no trade clause and combine it with Smolinski's No trade clause, does it override?

NTC = Wrong

2 wrongs don't make a right. So nope, it does not override.

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I have a big feeling that if Tanguay would come to montreal he would be a bust.

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I have a big feeling that if Crosby would come to montreal he would be a bust.
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NTC = Wrong

2 wrongs don't make a right. So nope, it does not override.
Why do I have a feeling that Mogwai told me differently?

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if he waives it to come to Montreal, he loses it for good.
Say what? That doesn't sound right at all. I would imagine he keeps his NTC for the duration of his contract, no matter where he ends up. Agents come up with these stipulations and foresee potential problems.

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Say what? That doesn't sound right at all. I would imagine he keeps his NTC for the duration of his contract, no matter where he ends up. Agents come up with these stipulations and foresee potential problems.
Agents or not, do you honestly think that a GM would be dumb enough to apply a permanent NTC/NMC clause on a player contract? It would makes him almost 'untradable'.

When a player waives his NTC/NMC, it's gone.

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if he waives it to come to Montreal, he loses it for good.
Not so according to section 11.8 of the CBA. If he is of age to become a Class 3 UFA at the time of the trade the clause is retained in the contract for the team acquiring the player's standard player's contract (SPC).

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Not so according to section 11.8 of the CBA. If he is of age to become a Class 3 UFA at the time of the trade the clause is retained in the contract for the team acquiring the player's standard player's contract (SPC).
Mind to describe a class 3 UFA please?

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Mind to describe a class 3 UFA please?
Thats your standard UFA... the player over 27 (eventually, its 28 now i think) or with 7 years of experience who's contract has expired. Most UFAs fall in this class...

Class 6 UFA is a RFA who doesn't recieve a qualifying offer....

There are other ways to be UFA too, not sure the classes though.... be bought out; go undrafted; have a team walk away from an arbitration ruling, etc...

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Agents or not, do you honestly think that a GM would be dumb enough to apply a permanent NTC/NMC clause on a player contract? It would makes him almost 'untradable'.

When a player waives his NTC/NMC, it's gone.
Huh? I am pretty sure there isn't different classes of no trade clauses. A NTC is there so a player, should he fall out of favor with his team, choose where he gets traded too. They are all permanent and I am sure it carries over to the other team....if it didn't then you will see more guys refuse to waive it.

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Thats your standard UFA... the player over 27 (eventually, its 28 now i think) or with 7 years of experience who's contract has expired.
If you are right, then that's another reason to avoid acquiring Tanguay. I'd like Gainey to stay the **** away from this contract.

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If you are right, then that's another reason to avoid acquiring Tanguay. I'd like Gainey to stay the **** away from this contract.
Just so everyone is on the same page. For fact purposes:
Tanguay would be a UFA in the summer of 2009. If we acquired him now we'd get him for 1 and 1/2 years.

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Just so everyone is on the same page. For fact purposes:
Tanguay would be a UFA in the summer of 2009. If we acquired him now we'd get him for 1 and 1/2 years.
in that case stay away from Tanguay

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A good example is Doug Weight who just recently waived his NTC to go to Anaheim. He is still listed as having a NTC.

http://www.nhlscap.com/no_trade.htm

LOL, check out the stipulation with Kovalev's NTC. It only apllies to Western Conference teams.


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in that case stay away from Tanguay
If that is a reason to stay away from a guy....then all the stars listed on the link we should stay away from also.

Seems like everybody gets a NTC on their contract now.

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If you are right, then that's another reason to avoid acquiring Tanguay. I'd like Gainey to stay the **** away from this contract.
Dude...he has one year left on his contract.

And why would a player waive his NTC if he ends up losing it at his next destination. Sounds like a loop hole that teams could use. Just make a 3 way deal and the NTC is useless.

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Dude...he has one year left on his contract.

And why would a player waive his NTC if he ends up losing it at his next destination. Sounds like a loop hole that teams could use. Just make a 3 way deal and the NTC is useless.
So... NTC are already given like candies to players that definately don't deserve them (e.g. Smolinski). Therefore, having a first call on a trade is still better than nothing. I'm sure GMs have enough class to discuss about a three-way deal with the player if he waives his trade clause.

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